Warriors without Steph Curry

[WarriorGM]

That's the whole point, Curry makes his teammates all-stars. Klay and Draymond wouldn't be perennial all stars on any other team. The only reason they're all stars is because the Warriors win so many damn games and they have to credit that to someone. Klay on his own team would struggle to make all star teams, just like Dame does. Draymond on another team would probably be a defensive role player, but he'd probably stand in a corner on offense to be hidden. I don't see too many teams running offense through a below average scorer. How many other superstars or lead offensive guys would be willing to not have the ball in their hands.

If Lebron played on this Warriors team instead of Steph and sans Durant, everyone would be claiming he needs more help that he needs shooters.

Yeah, that's nonsense. GSW are still a 50-60 win team even without Curry.

If LeBron had GSW without Durant they'd be winning every year.

So you think Klay and Draymond are better than Wade and Bosh? Better than Irving and Love?

[Pillendreher]

I still don't understand how Thompsons tanks so badly without Curry. He goes from 67 TS% with Durant on the floor AND Curry to 52 TS% with Durant on the floor and Curry on the bench. He's shooting 35 % from 3 compared to 49 % with Curry next to him. How is that possible? It's not like people leave him open, even with Curry.

This is why I consistently say Thompson's overrated. He has one great trick offensively: his shooting...which happens to plummet into mediocre territory when he's not playing with Curry.

From 2014 to 2016, he was at 58.2 TS% without Curry on the floor, still shooting > 40 % from 3 though. So what's the difference? Less depth? Worse role players? The system is still the same. Or is it more Durant iso heavy now when Curry is not playing?

[SpreeS]

That's the whole point, Curry makes his teammates all-stars. Klay and Draymond wouldn't be perennial all stars on any other team. The only reason they're all stars is because the Warriors win so many damn games and they have to credit that to someone. Klay on his own team would struggle to make all star teams, just like Dame does. Draymond on another team would probably be a defensive role player, but he'd probably stand in a corner on offense to be hidden. I don't see too many teams running offense through a below average scorer. How many other superstars or lead offensive guys would be willing to not have the ball in their hands.

If Lebron played on this Warriors team instead of Steph and sans Durant, everyone would be claiming he needs more help that he needs shooters.

Yeah, that's nonsense. GSW are still a 50-60 win team even without Curry.

If LeBron had GSW without Durant they'd be winning every year.

KD w/o Curry has 18W-8L 69% winning record in last 2y, so theoretically you are right. Its 56/57 win team, but...

It was 16 home and 10 away games!
KD played only with 11 PO teams and 15 bad team!
Teams winning record is 46.5%!!!
Only one team (Cavs) has 50win!
Also they are 5W-6L (7 games played at home) with teams with >50% W record this season.

GSW with PG's Cook and Livingston is around 45 - 50 win team.

KD w/o Curry 1645 min (216/218)

GSW ORtg 111.2 DRtg 108.8 NetRtg +2.4
Klay (75 poss) 18.3pts on TS 52.3%
Iggy 8.0pts on TS 50.9%
Green 12.4pts on TS 56.2%

SC w/o KD 1645 min

GSW ORtg 120.6 DRtg 104.1 NetRtg +14.5
Klay (75 poss) 25.5pts on TS 61.1%
Iggy 11.7pts on TS 66.3%
Green 12.4pts on TS 54.0%

Last KD's run w/o Curry (March 9 - April 9) 5W -5L

GSW with KD ORtg 114.8 DRtg 116.6 NetRtg -1.8
GSW w/o KD Ortg 104.5 DRtg 107.3 NetRtg -2.8

I could see a lot of signs that this team w/o Curry has real opportunity to f... up

[Patches Perry]

The numbers seem to be consistent, and the eye test (for me) jives with it. Curry is such a threat to make a game a blowout in 3 minutes that you have to constantly account for him. He doesn't get the standard double team with the ball in his hands, but he always has 2-3 defenders shadowing him.

Curry is the ultimate "make teammates better" cliche that is actually probably true in this case, because his teammates always get to operate in maximum space in a power-play situation.

Curry is closer to LeBron on impact than anyone else.

[cpower]

If you mean remove Curry from the Warriors, there is no way in hell they win ~55 games. I’d say mid 40s as the numbers without Curry provided by a poster above suggest. However, if you are saying the Warriors don’t have Curry and add a replacement maybe it’s fair. If his replacement is Lillard or Irving they probably do win that many.

Even if he is replaced by nobody, they will win 50+ games. Since his 1st MVP season, without Curry the Warriors are 25-12 - that is a 55 win pace team.

People are also oblivious to the fact that the team is set up for Steph to be the primary ball handler and for the team to be set up to suit his skills. Without Curry, they would revamp the team. They are not falling off with Green, Durant, Klay, Iggy and Livingston. In fact, they'd still be one of the favourites.

the team is 58-23 with Curry played 51 games. how are they still a 55 win team without him completely? They are +8 with him and only +2 without him. Your math clearly does not add up.

[Trophy Husband]

People value FMVP way too high. It is for 1 series in between 4 to 7 games. They should look at the whole playoffs series

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[commentatorer]

People value FMVP way too high. It is for 1 series in between 4 to 7 games. They should look at the whole playoffs series

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I agree, but I don't like changing the awards, because once you make the award about the playoffs instead of finals then you lose the ability to compare the achievement of a Michael Jordan to today's players.
We know MJ won 6 Finals MVPs, and its interesting to see if someone can match that.
If the award suddenly is for the playoffs overall, then we can't compare eras.
But I agree the playoffs should be acknowledged more.
Shaq got 3 Finals MVPs, while Kobe's most productive series were the Conference Finals or Semis, so I can see the argument.

[John Murdoch]

The numbers seem to be consistent, and the eye test (for me) jives with it. Curry is such a threat to make a game a blowout in 3 minutes that you have to constantly account for him. He doesn't get the standard double team with the ball in his hands, but he always has 2-3 defenders shadowing him.

Curry is the ultimate "make teammates better" cliche that is actually probably true in this case, because his teammates always get to operate in maximum space in a power-play situation.

Curry is closer to LeBron on impact than anyone else.

Simmons is closing in eventually

[Duke4life831]

This is where I think On/Off paints a pretty clear picture. GS as a team is just night and day when it comes to when they have Curry and when they dont. Im not the biggest On/Off fan but I think it definitely backs up the eye test on this one. There is a 14pt difference offensively with and without Curry. With him GS has an all time great type offense, without him it becomes average. The ease of shots GS gets drops drastically when hes not on the court and the numbers reflect that.

You can say KD is the better player because he can get a couple blocked shots a game, but I think his defensive impact has gotten extremely overrated because of his blocked shots numbers. Curry no doubt has the much bigger impact on the game and in my opinion is the better player as well.

[LeBird]

So you think Klay and Draymond are better than Wade and Bosh? Better than Irving and Love?

It's not just them too, it's the bench as well. Neither Miami nor Cavs had a 6th man as good as Andre Iguodala nor a team as well balanced as GSW.

Wade and Bosh were healthy for one season and they had an appalling lack of depth. Similar for Cavs with Kyrie and Love.

There's no way around it: LeBron is a better player and a more impactful player than Curry.

[WarriorGM]

So you think Klay and Draymond are better than Wade and Bosh? Better than Irving and Love?

It's not just them too, it's the bench as well. Neither Miami nor Cavs had a 6th man as good as Andre Iguodala nor a team as well balanced as GSW.

Wade and Bosh were healthy for one season and they had an appalling lack of depth. Similar for Cavs with Kyrie and Love.

There's no way around it: LeBron is a better player and a more impactful player than Curry.

Shane Battier, Ray Allen, Kyle Korver? They were leaders of their own teams at one time before joining LeBron.

Curry is a better and more impactful player and instead of just stating that I'll show you this from last year:

[WalterBenjamin]

Withouth Curry the asteroids will hit GSW championship chances in a -90 degre trajectory.

[HurricaneKid]

Shane Battier, Ray Allen, Kyle Korver? They were leaders of their own teams at one time before joining LeBron.

WTF is this nonsense?

Kyle Korver lead his team? He was the 11th man on the Bulls in his prime. Shane Battier? After his rookie season he never avg over 10.1. What team did he lead exactly?

These guys are solid role players to be sure. But Allen was 37 when he joined the Heat and the other two were role players.

[C3H6N6O6]

Shane Battier, Ray Allen, Kyle Korver? They were leaders of their own teams at one time before joining LeBron.

WTF is this nonsense?

Kyle Korver lead his team? He was the 11th man on the Bulls in his prime. Shane Battier? After his rookie season he never avg over 10.1. What team did he lead exactly?

These guys are solid role players to be sure. But Allen was 37 when he joined the Heat and the other two were role players.

the guy you replied to is one of the worst posters on this forum. Stop wasting your time.

[clyde21]

[juju14]

It's simple. When curry runs around screens or have the ball in his hands. The defense panics. He doesn't even have to have the ball. Curry runs pnr draymond is literally going 4 against 3. Stop having 9 page long threads for simple things.

[Warriorfan]

Curry is what makes Kerrs system go. If it was known that Curry would miss the entire year at the beginning of the year the Warriors IMO could create a different system around Durant and still win 60 games.

[xfactor]

It's simple. When curry runs around screens or have the ball in his hands. The defense panics. He doesn't even have to have the ball. Curry runs pnr draymond is literally going 4 against 3. Stop having 9 page long threads for simple things.

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[juju14]

Curry is what makes Kerry's system go. If it was known that Curry would miss the entire year at the beginning of the year the Warriors IMO could create a different system around Durant and still win 60 games.

No they can't. Curry literally has one of the most impactful offensive impact EVER. This is the reason even when he has a bad shooting game his +- is still good because him just being on the court literally **** defenses up. Thry had a stat for this on how much attention Curry gets and he won by a longslide. They are scared **** of his nquick trigger 3s. So they send two or overcommit 90% of the time.

[clyde21]

Curry is what makes Kerry's system go. If it was known that Curry would miss the entire year at the beginning of the year the Warriors IMO could create a different system around Durant and still win 60 games.

Yes, let's just "create a different system" that can win 60 games. Sounds good.

What other system do you think would maximize Green/Thompson the way this current system does? Do explain.