Bogi vs Buddy

[kingjawn100]

Who do think is more valuable going forward both in terms of productiveness on this team and trade value...Bogi or Buddy? I think at some point Kings brass will have to determine if it's beneficial to have 2 shooting guards on the roster who rarely see the court together (especially if the right deal comes along to help us in another area)

I've leaned heavily toward Bogi until recently. I'm starting to think Buddy's ceiling might be higher mainly because he seems better at getting his own shot off than Bogi. That plus the fact he'll always be a better shooter gives the advantage to Buddy.

Bogi's advantages: basketball IQ, handle, playmaking, man to man defense, clutch plays, positional versatility
Buddy's advantages: shooting, rebounding, self-creation, blocks, steals, hustle,

[codydaze]

Why should there be a debate between one or the other? Keep both of them and play Buddy off the bench. I've said this before but they've played like 700+ minutes on the floor together, they're one of the most common 2 man lineups for us. It's not rare at all to see them on the floor together, there's no reason to pick between one or the other. Buddy is the perfect player to bring in and play 30 minutes a night off the bench as the go to scoring spark plug, he should be able to average 17-20 PPG in this role.

[kingjawn100]

Why should there be a debate between one or the other? Keep both of them and play Buddy off the bench. I've said this before but they've played like 700+ minutes on the floor together, they're one of the most common 2 man lineups for us. It's not rare at all to see them on the floor together, there's no reason to pick between one or the other. Buddy is the perfect player to bring in and play 30 minutes a night off the bench as the go to scoring spark plug, he should be able to average 17-20 PPG in this role.

For a team with glaring needs at small forward and center/power forward you could argue that having 2 above average shooting guards is a luxury/redundancy. Whether it's this summer or next if we get the right offer for a player in a position of need we need to at least consider it. Aside from Fox these guys have the most trade value of any player on the roster so their names will come up.

[BoogieTime]

Need to see if Bogdan can play SF, as I think Buddy is a starter and ultimately the better player. It would be nice if they could start together. Bogdan has a 7 ft wingspan, and although he would get muscled at SF, the pluses might outway the minuses

It’s not normally feasible to continue to ask a starting calibure player to come off the bench, or to pay big bucks to two players at the same position

[Jkam31]

Why should there be a debate between one or the other? Keep both of them and play Buddy off the bench. I've said this before but they've played like 700+ minutes on the floor together, they're one of the most common 2 man lineups for us. It's not rare at all to see them on the floor together, there's no reason to pick between one or the other. Buddy is the perfect player to bring in and play 30 minutes a night off the bench as the go to scoring spark plug, he should be able to average 17-20 PPG in this role.

For a team with glaring needs at small forward and center/power forward you could argue that having 2 above average shooting guards is a luxury/redundancy. Whether it's this summer or next if we get the right offer for a player in a position of need we need to at least consider it. Aside from Fox these guys have the most trade value of any player on the roster so their names will come up.

This is absurd



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[sacking123]

Need to see if Bogdan can play SF, as I think Buddy is a starter and ultimately the better player. It would be nice if they could start together. Bogdan has a 7 ft wingspan, and although he would get muscled at SF, the pluses might outway the minuses

It’s not normally feasible to continue to ask a starting calibure player to come off the bench, or to pay big bucks to two players at the same position

I agree about Buddy as a starter. And Bogdan absolutely can play the 3. There is no question he can and should.
I’m hoping this is a small part of Joerger saying he will let the shackles off next season.
The coaching staff need to go get some education on implementing a fast pace system, it’s where the NBA is and our players are suited to it, absolute no brainer.
So in essence there doesn’t need to be one or the other, they are and will both be huge for us next season.



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[SacKingZZZ]

Bogi even without playing enough minutes there has proven he can easily play SF. If anything he struggles defensively when having to guard smaller players and against pick and roll. Buddy on the other hand is turning into a solid defender on smaller ball handlers and in pick and roll.

[SacKingZZZ]

Need to see if Bogdan can play SF, as I think Buddy is a starter and ultimately the better player. It would be nice if they could start together. Bogdan has a 7 ft wingspan, and although he would get muscled at SF, the pluses might outway the minuses

It’s not normally feasible to continue to ask a starting calibure player to come off the bench, or to pay big bucks to two players at the same position

I've been paying close attention to any time he's matched up against a SF or PF and he's a lot stronger than we realize. Taj Gibson had a hard time posting him up in one game.

[kingjawn100]

But you've got to also consider that if either is playing out of position guarding a small forward they'd be expending a ton of energy that could effect their offensive production. Some small forward's are as tall as 6'10. Bogi at 6'4" is a good defender but i don't want to see him guarding Kevin Durant 35 minutes a night. I'm just saying if kings brass got a trade offer for someone like Otto Porter that involved either Bogi or Buddy they should definitely listen.

As far as Buddy i used to think his ceiling was JJ Redick but i'm starting to think he'll surpass that. Even though he's 24 he seems to be adding things to his game to make you think he could still get a lot better. I love Bogi but his lack of length and athleticism do hurt him at times. Against the spurs the other night when he was forced into pg duties he couldn't do anything to get by his defender (imagine if Kawhi was healthy and got switched onto him). The lack of wiggle is also why he struggles to get enough room to get his shot off (a reason why he never seems to shoot enough).

Either way, having 2 great shooters is not a bad problem to have.

[BoogieTime]

But you've got to also consider that if either is playing out of position guarding a small forward they'd be expending a ton of energy that could effect their offensive production. Some small forward's are as tall as 6'10. Bogi at 6'4" is a good defender but i don't want to see him guarding Kevin Durant 35 minutes a night. I'm just saying if kings brass got a trade offer for someone like Otto Porter that involved either Bogi or Buddy they should definitely listen.

As far as Buddy i used to think his ceiling was JJ Redick but i'm starting to think he'll surpass that. Even though he's 24 he seems to be adding things to his game to make you think he could still get a lot better. I love Bogi but his lack of length and athleticism do hurt him at times. Against the spurs the other night when he was forced into pg duties he couldn't do anything to get by his defender (imagine if Kawhi was healthy and got switched onto him). The lack of wiggle is also why he struggles to get enough room to get his shot off (a reason why he never seems to shoot enough).

Either way, having 2 great shooters is not a bad problem to have.

Bogi is at 6’6 with a 7 foot wingspan

[kingjawn100]

But you've got to also consider that if either is playing out of position guarding a small forward they'd be expending a ton of energy that could effect their offensive production. Some small forward's are as tall as 6'10. Bogi at 6'4" is a good defender but i don't want to see him guarding Kevin Durant 35 minutes a night. I'm just saying if kings brass got a trade offer for someone like Otto Porter that involved either Bogi or Buddy they should definitely listen.

As far as Buddy i used to think his ceiling was JJ Redick but i'm starting to think he'll surpass that. Even though he's 24 he seems to be adding things to his game to make you think he could still get a lot better. I love Bogi but his lack of length and athleticism do hurt him at times. Against the spurs the other night when he was forced into pg duties he couldn't do anything to get by his defender (imagine if Kawhi was healthy and got switched onto him). The lack of wiggle is also why he struggles to get enough room to get his shot off (a reason why he never seems to shoot enough).

Either way, having 2 great shooters is not a bad problem to have.

Bogi is at 6’6 with a 7 foot wingspan

He is far from 6'6" despite what he's listed as

[BoogieTime]

But you've got to also consider that if either is playing out of position guarding a small forward they'd be expending a ton of energy that could effect their offensive production. Some small forward's are as tall as 6'10. Bogi at 6'4" is a good defender but i don't want to see him guarding Kevin Durant 35 minutes a night. I'm just saying if kings brass got a trade offer for someone like Otto Porter that involved either Bogi or Buddy they should definitely listen.

As far as Buddy i used to think his ceiling was JJ Redick but i'm starting to think he'll surpass that. Even though he's 24 he seems to be adding things to his game to make you think he could still get a lot better. I love Bogi but his lack of length and athleticism do hurt him at times. Against the spurs the other night when he was forced into pg duties he couldn't do anything to get by his defender (imagine if Kawhi was healthy and got switched onto him). The lack of wiggle is also why he struggles to get enough room to get his shot off (a reason why he never seems to shoot enough).

Either way, having 2 great shooters is not a bad problem to have.

Bogi is at 6’6 with a 7 foot wingspan

He is far from 6'6" despite what he's listed as

Any proof? Or is that just your own assessment?

[kingjawn100]

Bogi is at 6’6 with a 7 foot wingspan

He is far from 6'6" despite what he's listed as

Any proof? Or is that just your own assessment?

Its obvious from watching. Most who cover the team say the same thing..no way he’s 6’6”. Ginobli (6’6”) was towering over him the other night

[BoogieTime]

He is far from 6'6" despite what he's listed as

Any proof? Or is that just your own assessment?

Its obvious from watching. Most who cover the team say the same thing..no way he’s 6’6”. Ginobli (6’6”) was towering over him the other night

I’ve seen nobody saying he is substantially shorter, and I’d love for you to show me anyone saying it.

It’s at this point best for the team if Bogdan could play the three, IMO, and I want to see it at some point

[KF10]

Play both at the same time.

Or keep Buddy on the bench at the start of the game and let him finish the game with the final unit. If Joerger can manage this right, he can play both guys 30+ minutes.

That being said, I think this all depends whether the Kings gonna draft a forward in the draft. Lets say the Kings draft Miles (or Mikal), then what? I’ll say we start Bridges at the 3 and keep Bogi at the 2. Use Buddy as the microwave scorer off the bench.

[Sactowndog]

Play both at the same time.

Or keep Buddy on the bench at the start of the game and let him finish the game with the final unit. If Joerger can manage this right, he can play both guys 30+ minutes.

That being said, I think this all depends whether the Kings gonna draft a forward in the draft. Lets say the Kings draft Miles (or Mikal), then what? I’ll say we start Bridges at the 3 and keep Bogi at the 2. Use Buddy as the microwave scorer off the bench.

I think it also depends on how Fox develops. If he continues to be a shoot first guard in the Russ and Dame mode you need to pair him with Bogdan and play Fox off the ball a lot. Buddy can’t do what Bogdan does with the ball.

[SacKingZZZ]

Play both at the same time.

Or keep Buddy on the bench at the start of the game and let him finish the game with the final unit. If Joerger can manage this right, he can play both guys 30+ minutes.

That being said, I think this all depends whether the Kings gonna draft a forward in the draft. Lets say the Kings draft Miles (or Mikal), then what? I’ll say we start Bridges at the 3 and keep Bogi at the 2. Use Buddy as the microwave scorer off the bench.

I'm not sure how much time Mikal will spend as a small ball PF but he should play there at times regardless of where he's drafted but Miles could play there quite a bit. Buddy, Bogdan, and Miles would be tough for other teams to handle on both ends and all 3 have the strength to guard bigger players. I was impressed with Buddy's ability to guard SF's towards the end of the year. Bogdan is just plain strong, and Miles is a beast.

[BoogieTime]

Jerry Reynolds, in the piece currently on SactownRoyalty thought the Kings should’ve been playing with Buddy/Bogdan but with Buddy at the three

[GrapeApe]

Jerry Reynolds, in the piece currently on SactownRoyalty thought the Kings should’ve been playing with Buddy/Bogdan but with Buddy at the three

Isn't Bogdan taller? and aren't most SG more athletic?

[obispo]

not about this comparison. but i have to say that i am sure that you did not see all what bogdan has. last year was his first in nba. he tried to adopt his game from being a leading star in his team to a role player. when i watched him in nba, evertime i saw that he is a little bit shy still to get the ball and play by himself. i believe that this year you will see x 1.5 of him if the team would be better built and coached.

you have to take this decision at least next summer.