Warriors without Steph Curry

[Revived]

I think people are overreacting to the Dubs demise a little bit imo.

Warriors can and will destroy the TWolves or Nuggets in the 1st round because both those teams don’t play any defense and lack much playoff experience besides Butler and maybe Teague/Millsap.

In the 2nd round they’ll play Utah but they’ll likely have Curry back by then so it won’t even be much of a problem.

Question is, if they had to play Utah in the 1st round without Curry, would they have still made it to the 2nd round?

Imo Warriors caught a huge break having Utah move up.

[Impuniti]

There's too many hyperboles going on right now from both sides on this topic. Even with Steph out, there is no excuse for the Warriors to play absolutely garbage tier defense (for their standard) as they have in so many games. This is what I'm most curious about come playoffs. They don't need to average the oRTG they have with Steph on, but they should have a top 3 defense in the playoffs without him. We know that because they did that the last few years in the PS.

Soooo what's the timeline on his return/have there been updates? Still unlikely for the first round?

He is supposed to be reevaluated in the next 2-3 days I think, they originally said he would in 3 weeks.. 3 weeks ago. Kerr also stated that he's definitely not playing in the first round, and hopefully that doesn't happen with the Warriors taking care of business without him. My guess is he is back Game 1 or 2 in round 2.

GSW is done for, they should plan their fishing trips. Said it all year long, injuries and emotional issues, this team was never in it this year

Well you said the same things last year and look how that worked out.

I'm impressed how many realgm posters have a PhD in Psychology.

[Clemenza]

Not looking good for them. The last few years they were a machine heading into the post season.

[iggymcfrack]

I think people are overreacting to the Dubs demise a little bit imo.

Warriors can and will destroy the TWolves or Nuggets in the 1st round because both those teams don’t play any defense and lack much playoff experience besides Butler and maybe Teague/Millsap.

In the 2nd round they’ll play Utah but they’ll likely have Curry back by then so it won’t even be much of a problem.

Question is, if they had to play Utah in the 1st round without Curry, would they have still made it to the 2nd round?

Imo Warriors caught a huge break having Utah move up.

Wolves with Butler: 36-22
Nuggets with Jokic: 43-31
Warriors without Curry: 17-13

Who cares if the Nuggets and Wolves are more offensive teams and the Warriors are more defensive? Playoff experience and general coasting through the regular season are enough to make Warriors favorites, but it’s silly to act like Nuggets/Wolves have no shot. I’d give Denver ~25% and Minnesota ~40% to pull the upset.

[SpreeS]

Final regular-season record for the Warriors this year without Curry is 17-14.

With Cury -----------> 41-10 (.803) ----------------> 65 wins over 82 games
Without Curry ------> 17-14 (.548) ----------------> 44 wins over 82 games

I'd be interested in how many of those 31 games had Klay and Draymond playing also.

Lets look at GSW results with teams with >50% W record

With Curry-------------------------- 25-8(.758) (15 home - 18 away games)
Without Curry---------------------- 5-11 (.313) (KD missed 3 games)(9 home - 7 away games)
With KD w/o Curry----------------- 5-8 (.385) (Klay missed 2 games, Green 1 game)(7 home - 6 away games)
With KD/Klay/Green w/o Curry --4-6 (.400) (4 home - 6 away games)

Stretch with KD w/o Curry (record 5-8) is interesting for me to analyze players and team stats.
They pleyed only with one 50W team. Its Cavs. No HOU, TOR, BOS, PHI.

GSW ORtg 108.7 DRtg 114.7 NRtg -6

KD------- eFG .551 3pt .385 pts 27.8 on/off -5.5
Klay----- eFG .487 3pt .370 pts 19.4 on/off -3.9
DG------- eFG .463 3pt .235 pts 9.3 on/off -6.8

This is huge drop and I could see ending season in 1st PO round very clearly

[Revived]

I think people are overreacting to the Dubs demise a little bit imo.

Warriors can and will destroy the TWolves or Nuggets in the 1st round because both those teams don’t play any defense and lack much playoff experience besides Butler and maybe Teague/Millsap.

In the 2nd round they’ll play Utah but they’ll likely have Curry back by then so it won’t even be much of a problem.

Question is, if they had to play Utah in the 1st round without Curry, would they have still made it to the 2nd round?

Imo Warriors caught a huge break having Utah move up.

Wolves with Butler: 36-22
Nuggets with Jokic: 43-31
Warriors without Curry: 17-13

Who cares if the Nuggets and Wolves are more offensive teams and the Warriors are more defensive? Playoff experience and general coasting through the regular season are enough to make Warriors favorites, but it’s silly to act like Nuggets/Wolves have no shot. I’d give Denver ~25% and Minnesota ~40% to pull the upset.

In playoffs, teams that don’t play defense don’t go very far.

Not playing defense usually only works in the reg season.

[Porz]

Defending champs have the right to be talked as big contenders but even if Steph gets back do anyone think their defence will be better? Eg. Utah is more athletic in almost every position. So does many teams around the league, add to that the most improved 3pt and fast pace game and Gsw losing in 1st round is not that surprising. Imo there will many other games that will more interesting in west, where Gsw will not be apart of.

[Darren]

Curry is impactful on both ends of the floor. Firstly, he attacks random big in pick-n-roll and gets better shots for teammates. He requires a double-team on the perimeter nearly every time. He's a quick release and unlimited range. He doesn't need a second to shoot. That's a huge difference. That's mean his teammates are playing 4 on 3. Secondly, he gathers a lot of steal and generates a lot of faskbreak. They dictate the tempo and strengthen the defense. Thirdly, he is a leader but KD is not. (Actually, Lebron is not a leader, too)

[iggymcfrack]

I think people are overreacting to the Dubs demise a little bit imo.

Warriors can and will destroy the TWolves or Nuggets in the 1st round because both those teams don’t play any defense and lack much playoff experience besides Butler and maybe Teague/Millsap.

In the 2nd round they’ll play Utah but they’ll likely have Curry back by then so it won’t even be much of a problem.

Question is, if they had to play Utah in the 1st round without Curry, would they have still made it to the 2nd round?

Imo Warriors caught a huge break having Utah move up.

Wolves with Butler: 36-22
Nuggets with Jokic: 43-31
Warriors without Curry: 17-13

Who cares if the Nuggets and Wolves are more offensive teams and the Warriors are more defensive? Playoff experience and general coasting through the regular season are enough to make Warriors favorites, but it’s silly to act like Nuggets/Wolves have no shot. I’d give Denver ~25% and Minnesota ~40% to pull the upset.

In playoffs, teams that don’t play defense don’t go very far.

Not playing defense usually only works in the reg season.

It's a myth that defensive teams do better than offensive teams in the playoffs. Studies have been done and the offensive teams tend to do better if anything. For instance, here's how the worst offenses and defenses did last year in the playoffs:

Worst defenses
Blazers: Lost 0-4 in first round
Cavaliers: Won 4-0 in first round, won 4-0 in second round, won 4-1 in Conference Finals, lost 1-4 in NBA Finals
Wizards: Won 4-2 in first round, lost 3-4 in second round
Bucks: Lost 2-4 in first round
Rockets: Won 4-1 in first round, lost 2-4 in second round
Combined record: 28-24, 5 series won

Worst offenses
Hawks: Lost 2-4 in first round
Bulls: Lost 2-4 in first round
Grizzlies: Lost 2-4 in first round
Thunder: Lost 1-4 in first round
Pacers: Lost 0-4 in first round
Combined record: 7-20, 0 series won

[Prokorov]

Since 2011.



Him and LeBron are--BY FAR--the two most impactful/valuable players in the league.

just more evidence durant is riding coat tails

[Ugly0598]

I think people are overreacting to the Dubs demise a little bit imo.

Warriors can and will destroy the TWolves or Nuggets in the 1st round because both those teams don’t play any defense and lack much playoff experience besides Butler and maybe Teague/Millsap.

In the 2nd round they’ll play Utah but they’ll likely have Curry back by then so it won’t even be much of a problem.

Question is, if they had to play Utah in the 1st round without Curry, would they have still made it to the 2nd round?

Imo Warriors caught a huge break having Utah move up.

Utah spanked the Warriors badly with Curry as well, no I'm not saying they will beat GS with a healthy Curry, but they've blown them out with Curry too.

[WarriorGM]

I think people are overreacting to the Dubs demise a little bit imo.

Warriors can and will destroy the TWolves or Nuggets in the 1st round because both those teams don’t play any defense and lack much playoff experience besides Butler and maybe Teague/Millsap.

In the 2nd round they’ll play Utah but they’ll likely have Curry back by then so it won’t even be much of a problem.

Question is, if they had to play Utah in the 1st round without Curry, would they have still made it to the 2nd round?

Imo Warriors caught a huge break having Utah move up.

Utah spanked the Warriors badly with Curry as well, no I'm not saying they will beat GS with a healthy Curry, but they've blown them out with Curry too.

Would you rather the Jazz face the Warriors with Curry or the Rockets? As I recall the Jazz beat the Warriors last year just before the playoffs. It was still a sweep.

[Madhouse]

They are in serious danger of getting upset in the 1st round without Curry.

[Warriorfan]

Yes, let's just "create a different system" that can win 60 games. Sounds good.

What other system do you think would maximize Green/Thompson the way this current system does? Do explain.

Kerr did it in one season with curry. He could implement something that is working a lot better than what they got going now. I don't think they'd win 60 but they still have plenty of talent.

Like? Please elaborate. What other system would maximize Thompson/Green the way this system does, and are they still 'all-stars' in this hypothetical?

Didn't the Warriors win 9 of 10, when Curry first went out with the best DRtg in the NBA during that span.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/28/warriors-lead-nba-in-defense-in-10-games-without-steph-curry/amp/


So slower pace focus ,on defense , still have Thompson hit a lot of 3's. Same system less spacing.

[clyde21]

Kerr did it in one season with curry. He could implement something that is working a lot better than what they got going now. I don't think they'd win 60 but they still have plenty of talent.

Like? Please elaborate. What other system would maximize Thompson/Green the way this system does, and are they still 'all-stars' in this hypothetical?

Didn't the Warriors win 9 of 10, when Curry first went out with the best DRtg in the NBA during that span.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/28/warriors-lead-nba-in-defense-in-10-games-without-steph-curry/amp/


So slower pace focus ,on defense , still have Thompson hit a lot of 3's. Same spacing less spacing.

Slower pacing by a substantial amount, and like you said, it made the players refocus their efforts on the defensive end. But it's not scalable for larger stretches of the season, as we're seeing now.

[Peregrine01]

How vulnerable are the Warriors to getting beat in the first round? It’s not a given that they should be favorites against any of the 4 potential teams that they’re likely to face.

[HotRocks34]

https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/11/coaches-in-the-west-dont-fear-warriors-without-stephen-curry/

According to ESPN’s Zach Lowe, after Tuesday night’s blowout loss to the Utah Jazz, “several coaches and execs” from teams in the Western Conference told him that they’re not afraid of going up against a Warriors team that doesn’t have Stephen Curry.

According to Lowe, several of these coaches and execs went as far as saying that they’d rather play Golden State than the Thunder or Jazz in the first round and that “the fear factor for the Warriors without Curry does not exist.”

[Gil]

Lol, they haven't missed a beat without him as expected.

[ken6199]

Harden scored 44 in game 1 - "Harden top 3 now?"
Wade scored 28 in game 2 - "Wade vs Harden who ya got?"
Warriors 2-0 Spurs - "Warriors without Curry" bumped up with a lot of "lol they didn't miss a beat" talk.

Ugliest thing on this board.

[Cavsfansince84]

The big difference in these two playoff games has been that Thompson seems to finally be fully stepping up to the plate and being a huge plus rather than just sort of there. I don't fully expect him to keep up this sort of play though but by then Curry will be back so it won't really matter.