The Draft (Postseason Edition): 1/16/31/59 (NEW POLL)

[Christine-In-AZ]

Damn, awful for you guys to lose that pick. You could've traded up for one of the big 8 and get two amazing players in the same draft.

It's still a trade chip, now with some risk and yet some possibilities.

16/17 wouldn't get #8 this year

Not if people are smart, but some mock drafts have Trae Young falling to like 11, which would be asinine

Suns have plenty of draft assets even beyond this Bucks pick.

They can easily make a play for #10 or #11

[jcsunsfan]

Damn, awful for you guys to lose that pick. You could've traded up for one of the big 8 and get two amazing players in the same draft.

There is no reason why we cannot still package those two picks and move up. I do not think the Milwaukee pick at 16 this year is much more valuable than a Milwaukee pick in the 4-16 range next year. Plus, it would have probably taken a pick and a player to move up anyway. So if we want to move up to get a player, we still have the assets to do that. #16 and TJ, for instance, would be a nice get for a team needing multiple assets. TJ is probably more valuable than the 16 pick since everyone already know what he can do.

[Kerrsed]

But has a chance to get a lot better and if Phoenix can get 2 unprotected picks in 2021, sets them up for a possible huge trade in the 2020 off season.

And as others have commented , with three picks , Phoenix would lose value. So losing a couple picks in 2020 would basically cancel out the lost in value this year.

But that would still give us 3 picks in 2121, Ours, the Miami 1st unprotected, and the Milwaukee pick unprotected. So i guess it still loses value because "All the other teams know that we have 3 picks and wont be taking on 3 rookies".

[jcsunsfan]

It's still a trade chip, now with some risk and yet some possibilities.

16/17 wouldn't get #8 this year

Not if people are smart, but some mock drafts have Trae Young falling to like 11, which would be asinine

Suns have plenty of draft assets even beyond this Bucks pick.

They can easily make a play for #10 or #11

Sorry Chris. You posted this while I was writing my post. Great minds I guess.

[jcsunsfan]

But has a chance to get a lot better and if Phoenix can get 2 unprotected picks in 2021, sets them up for a possible huge trade in the 2020 off season.

And as others have commented , with three picks , Phoenix would lose value. So losing a couple picks in 2020 would basically cancel out the lost in value this year.

But that would still give us 3 picks in 2121, Ours, the Miami 1st unprotected, and the Milwaukee pick unprotected. So i guess it still loses value because "All the other teams know that we have 3 picks and wont be taking on 3 rookies".

Maybe, but our young players now, will be older then, so adding rookies might be the best way to add talent at that time.

[RunDogGun]

Man, the Suns don’t seem to catch a break in the draft, ever. I understand that it’s just one pick, but damn, it’s just frickin ridiculous.

[sunskerr]

Man, the Suns don’t seem to catch a break in the draft, ever. I understand that it’s just one pick, but damn, it’s just frickin ridiculous.

It is just really **** ridiculous.

I have to laugh when other fans complain their team is cursed. bull. We're the least luckiest team in the league and it isn't close. Cleveland? Get outta here they had LeBron even before they won a championship. Portland's young player injuries? Doesn't even come close to actually contending and have crooked referees working against you.

I hate conspiracies but god damn, if there's ever a time to believe that all these seemingly random and unrelated coincidences that negatively affect the franchise might actually be related, you'd be forgiven for going down that rabbit hole because it's just one thing after another and it never stops.

[Book1Nation]

Man, the Suns don’t seem to catch a break in the draft, ever. I understand that it’s just one pick, but damn, it’s just frickin ridiculous.

It is just really **** ridiculous.

I have to laugh when other fans complain their team is cursed. bull. We're the least luckiest team in the league and it isn't close. Cleveland? Get outta here they had LeBron even before they won a championship. Portland's young player injuries? Doesn't even come close to actually contending and have crooked referees working against you.

I hate conspiracies but god damn, if there's ever a time to believe that all these seemingly random and unrelated coincidences that negatively affect the franchise might actually be related, you'd be forgiven for going down that rabbit hole because it's just one thing after another and it never stops.

If we fall to any lower than 2, there will be a collective Suns RealGM riot. I mean I think most of us are cool with Ayton or Doncic. But I swear if we fall to 3 or 4...lol

[Christine-In-AZ]

But that trade was made after the Bledsoe deal.

Wow really!?

Again, my ignorance shines through

Funny when I was responding to him a few minutes ago in the other thread I was going to mention what you did because we had talked about it, but since I was responding to WG who is also a Bucks fan, I decided to double check the dates....and

2018 second round draft pick to Brooklyn
Milwaukee's 2018 2nd round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-Milwaukee, 2/5/2018]

2019 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-3 and 17-30 in 2019 and 1-7 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Milwaukee-Phoenix, 11/7/2017]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

So when we talked about it before it finally made sense somewhat why we didn't get the second rounder 17-30 but now seeing the trade dates it once again makes no sense unless it was an error.

BW...

Had this exchange with paulpressey25 over on the Bucks board. Does my possible McD-Horst scenario make some sense?

Talk about being "in the weeds", but I really am curious how these GMs work out the tiny and important details with each other. Real GM stuff? Someone should start a forum based on that.

We're a bit confused on the Suns end of this 2nd round pick. For some reason (and I assume there was a reason) the Suns would have gained the Bucks 2nd rounder this year if Milwaukee had the 18 to 30, not 17 to 30 as one would expect.

A one pick gap, before a 2nd rounder would "kick in"? Curious

Edit: for the record. I'm in the "happy it didn't convey" Suns camp

Educated guess is that the deal was written so that if the Bucks 1st didn't convey this year, the Suns got "something" for their troubles, i.e. a 2nd round pick in addition to the future first.

However again because of this damn bizarre finish in the eastern conference and draft drawing it looks like the Suns lost a 2nd round pick. I'm absolutely stunned that no one on this board nor in our local media picked up on this during our pick discussions of the past week.

Well, it was the one spot gap for a 2nd round "cover" that has had us wondering since the trade was made. Made quite typical trading sense for a 2nd to go to the Suns should the pick not convey this year. Not getting that if the Bucks hit the 17 spot exactly...hmm?

My guess is Suns GM McDonough asked for 16-30 reverse protection for 2018 & '19. If 1st not conveyed this year, the Buck send 46-60 in this draft. Horst said- no, we will only give you 18-30 RP for the two years and then 48-60 if that protection kicks in...and he was firm.

McDonough REALLY didn't want the pick, even at 16...he's pretty much said that in recent days. But in November the Suns weren't exactly in a great negotiation position, as you know. Eventually McD backed off to asking for 17-30 / 47-60, but Horst wasn't quite ok meeting right exactly in the middle, so he got a little something, and that was keeping the 2nd round pick at 48-60. In essence giving the Bucks their #47 pick for keeping a pick they'd rather give up now. At the time the Suns had their own 2nd pick, the Grizz's (since moved) and the Raptors. Losing a possible forth 2nd round pick in order to get the RP down to 17...hardly a big price tag should it land there. And it did.

I'll bet these little quirks are here and there in other transaction details. You just don't notice them unless your team is involved.

[AtheJ415]

But has a chance to get a lot better and if Phoenix can get 2 unprotected picks in 2021, sets them up for a possible huge trade in the 2020 off season.

And as others have commented , with three picks , Phoenix would lose value. So losing a couple picks in 2020 would basically cancel out the lost in value this year.

But that would still give us 3 picks in 2121, Ours, the Miami 1st unprotected, and the Milwaukee pick unprotected. So i guess it still loses value because "All the other teams know that we have 3 picks and wont be taking on 3 rookies".

True. Can't wait for that 2121 draft. Basketball will be played by robots then. I hear Optimus Prime the 17th is one to watch for.

[LukasBMW]

I actually think it’s better that Phoenix didn’t get the pick this year. You never know how the nba season plays out. Worst case scenario would be what ?

2019.. can’t have a lower pick
2020... I would be pretty confident the bucks won’t be a top ten nba team. So the pick is 20-22 at worse.
2021. No protection.

So it’s looking like the pick will convey in 2020, likely in the 18-22 range.

But has a chance to get a lot better and if Phoenix can get 2 unprotected picks in 2021, sets them up for a possible huge trade in the 2020 off season.

And as others have commented , with three picks , Phoenix would lose value. So losing a couple picks in 2020 would basically cancel out the lost in value this year.

Also now the Suns will have a little extra money if they want to go after a free agent this year.

Everyone wants the prize now, but sometimes the wait is worth it.

Exactly.

We basically have two more chances for the Bucks to be awful.

2019 and 2020.

Essentially by the pick not conveying at #17 this year, we have two more chances to get a higher pick AND a very outside chance of getting an unprotected 2021.

[Kerrsed]

But has a chance to get a lot better and if Phoenix can get 2 unprotected picks in 2021, sets them up for a possible huge trade in the 2020 off season.

And as others have commented , with three picks , Phoenix would lose value. So losing a couple picks in 2020 would basically cancel out the lost in value this year.

But that would still give us 3 picks in 2121, Ours, the Miami 1st unprotected, and the Milwaukee pick unprotected. So i guess it still loses value because "All the other teams know that we have 3 picks and wont be taking on 3 rookies".

True. Can't wait for that 2121 draft. Basketball will be played by robots then. I hear Optimus Prime the 17th is one to watch for.

Hopefully thats the year that the Lebron Clone is finally matured and the San Diego Suns can draft him....if the RNG finally give us that top pick.

[engelmartin]

True. Can't wait for that 2121 draft. Basketball will be played by robots then. I hear Optimus Prime the 17th is one to watch for.

He’s gonna go way higher than 17th, IMO. The Seattle Superrobots would have a sick front court if they paired him with Metal Johnson.

[JMac1]

Just played the Tankathon Sim. You know it’s bad when your wife asks

“Babe, how low of a pick can you guys get?”
me: four.
Wife: you know you guys are getting 3 or 4.” Then she giggles.

Sad......we got 3

[Sunzgunz]

*Assuming we were to keep all picks, I realize it's doubtful, here's my current stance...which could all change by tomorrow

OPTION 1:
1) Ayton
16) Shai/Smith/Shake/Simmons
31) *Diop/Clark/Frazier (we could possibly trade down & grab 1)
59) McCoy/Metu/Trier

OPTION 2:
1) Doncic
16) M.Robinson/R.Williams/McCoy (not crazy about BM here, trade down?)
31) *Diop/Clark/Frazier/McCoy (we could possibly trade down & grab 1)
59) McCoy/Metu/Trier

*SUNS trade #31 & #59 for NETS #40 & #45

OPTION 1:
1) Ayton
16) Shai/Smith/Shake/Simmons
40) Diop/Clark/Frazier
45) Holiday/Carter/Shamet

OPTION 2:
1) Doncic
16) M. Robinson/R. Williams/McCoy (Not crazy about BM here, trade down?)
40) Diop/Clark/Frazier/McCoy
45) Holiday/Carter/Shamet

[bwgood77]

Wow really!?

Again, my ignorance shines through

Funny when I was responding to him a few minutes ago in the other thread I was going to mention what you did because we had talked about it, but since I was responding to WG who is also a Bucks fan, I decided to double check the dates....and

2018 second round draft pick to Brooklyn
Milwaukee's 2018 2nd round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-Milwaukee, 2/5/2018]

2019 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-3 and 17-30 in 2019 and 1-7 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Milwaukee-Phoenix, 11/7/2017]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

So when we talked about it before it finally made sense somewhat why we didn't get the second rounder 17-30 but now seeing the trade dates it once again makes no sense unless it was an error.

BW...

Had this exchange with paulpressey25 over on the Bucks board. Does my possible McD-Horst scenario make some sense?

Talk about being "in the weeds", but I really am curious how these GMs work out the tiny and important details with each other. Real GM stuff? Someone should start a forum based on that.

Educated guess is that the deal was written so that if the Bucks 1st didn't convey this year, the Suns got "something" for their troubles, i.e. a 2nd round pick in addition to the future first.

However again because of this damn bizarre finish in the eastern conference and draft drawing it looks like the Suns lost a 2nd round pick. I'm absolutely stunned that no one on this board nor in our local media picked up on this during our pick discussions of the past week.

Well, it was the one spot gap for a 2nd round "cover" that has had us wondering since the trade was made. Made quite typical trading sense for a 2nd to go to the Suns should the pick not convey this year. Not getting that if the Bucks hit the 17 spot exactly...hmm?

My guess is Suns GM McDonough asked for 16-30 reverse protection for 2018 & '19. If 1st not conveyed this year, the Buck send 46-60 in this draft. Horst said- no, we will only give you 18-30 RP for the two years and then 48-60 if that protection kicks in...and he was firm.

McDonough REALLY didn't want the pick, even at 16...he's pretty much said that in recent days. But in November the Suns weren't exactly in a great negotiation position, as you know. Eventually McD backed off to asking for 17-30 / 47-60, but Horst wasn't quite ok meeting right exactly in the middle, so he got a little something, and that was keeping the 2nd round pick at 48-60. In essence giving the Bucks their #47 pick for keeping a pick they'd rather give up now. At the time the Suns had their own 2nd pick, the Grizz's (since moved) and the Raptors. Losing a possible forth 2nd round pick in order to get the RP down to 17...hardly a big price tag should it land there. And it did.

I'll bet these little quirks are here and there in other transaction details. You just don't notice them unless your team is involved.

I think you are probably right in some respect but I still think the final result was more likely an error than giving them a tiny window to where they keep both picks. I think there was probably various talk on the protections and maybe they made one final change late and didn't think to do the other one. I don't know though, for me it would be hard to miss something like that because I noticed it right when I saw the details and it was surprising that no one really pointed it out until a national writer on twitter did a couple of days later....or someone did...and THAT person said that it looks like an error was made.

[bwgood77]

True. Can't wait for that 2121 draft. Basketball will be played by robots then. I hear Optimus Prime the 17th is one to watch for.

He’s gonna go way higher than 17th, IMO. The Seattle Superrobots would have a sick front court if they paired him with Metal Johnson.

Funny I almost made a joke earlier when I saw Kerrsed mention our 2121 pick. Nice.

[bwgood77]

*Assuming we were to keep all picks, I realize it's doubtful, here's my current stance...which could all change by tomorrow

OPTION 1:
1) Ayton
16) Shai/Smith/Shake/Simmons
31) *Diop/Clark/Frazier (we could possibly trade down & grab 1)
59) McCoy/Metu/Trier

OPTION 2:
1) Doncic
16) M.Robinson/R.Williams/McCoy (not crazy about BM here, trade down?)
31) *Diop/Clark/Frazier/McCoy (we could possibly trade down & grab 1)
59) McCoy/Metu/Trier

*SUNS trade #31 & #59 for NETS #40 & #45

OPTION 1:
1) Ayton
16) Shai/Smith/Shake/Simmons
40) Diop/Clark/Frazier
45) Holiday/Carter/Shamet

OPTION 2:
1) Doncic
16) M. Robinson/R. Williams/McCoy (Not crazy about BM here, trade down?)
40) Diop/Clark/Frazier/McCoy
45) Holiday/Carter/Shamet

I like most all those guys. Is Smith Zhaire Smith? I don't think he lasts that long. Off the top of my head not sure about Simmons. Shamet I don't expect to last THAT long...he is in first round rankings at some places.

I love Clark. Diop is a stud but I have to examine closer. And love Doncic and Ayton of course.

I am more confused about what to do if we land 3 or 4.

I wonder if there is a team in the 7-10 range that would trade us a very useful player plus their pick for 3 or 4. Because I don't see much separation there. I probably like Trae and JJJ there but that whole 3-10 group is close for me.

[bwgood77]

Man, the Suns don’t seem to catch a break in the draft, ever. I understand that it’s just one pick, but damn, it’s just frickin ridiculous.

It is just really **** ridiculous.

I have to laugh when other fans complain their team is cursed. bull. We're the least luckiest team in the league and it isn't close. Cleveland? Get outta here they had LeBron even before they won a championship. Portland's young player injuries? Doesn't even come close to actually contending and have crooked referees working against you.

I hate conspiracies but god damn, if there's ever a time to believe that all these seemingly random and unrelated coincidences that negatively affect the franchise might actually be related, you'd be forgiven for going down that rabbit hole because it's just one thing after another and it never stops.

If we fall to any lower than 2, there will be a collective Suns RealGM riot. I mean I think most of us are cool with Ayton or Doncic. But I swear if we fall to 3 or 4...lol

Either that or we get 2 and our GM will take someone half of the people are not fans of like JJJ or Bagley.

[AtheJ415]

What is going to happen is we are going to get Budenholzer, then win the draft and take Ayton. We will trade a lot to move up for Trae Young also. The team will try to get Gordon but will be matched by Orlando and won't give up more to get him. They will sign a bunch of middling vets for short-term deals and enter next offseason with max space, while missing the playoffs but improving (finishing 8-10 spot in the draft). We will then miraculously win the draft lottery and get RJ Barrett, then max out Kawhi.

We will run a 4 guard lineup with a big:

1: Trae Young, Booker
Wing: Booker, Barrett
Wing: Kawhi, Jackson
Wing: Jackson, Warren?
Big: Ayton, Bender, Chriss