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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1701 » by cammac2 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:57 pm

The New Yorker has a article on Trump/Cohen lots of good stuff in it!

This is the week we know, with increasing certainty, that we are entering the last phase of the Trump Presidency. This doesn’t feel like a prophecy; it feels like a simple statement of the apparent truth. I know dozens of reporters and other investigators who have studied Donald Trump and his business and political ties. Some have been skeptical of the idea that President Trump himself knowingly colluded with Russian officials. It seems not at all Trumpian to participate in a complex plan with a long-term, uncertain payoff. Collusion is an imprecise word, but it does seem close to certain that his son Donald, Jr., and several people who worked for him colluded with people close to the Kremlin; it is up to prosecutors and then the courts to figure out if this was illegal or merely deceitful. We may have a hard time finding out what President Trump himself knew and approved.

However, I am unaware of anybody who has taken a serious look at Trump’s business who doesn’t believe that there is a high likelihood of rampant criminality. In Azerbaijan, he did business with a likely money launderer for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard. In the Republic of Georgia, he partnered with a group that was being investigated for a possible role in the largest known bank-fraud and money-laundering case in history. In Indonesia, his development partner is “knee-deep in dirty politics”; there are criminal investigations of his deals in Brazil; the F.B.I. is reportedly looking into his daughter Ivanka’s role in the Trump hotel in Vancouver, for which she worked with a Malaysian family that has admitted to financial fraud. Back home, Donald, Jr., and Ivanka were investigated for financial crimes associated with the Trump hotel in SoHo—an investigation that was halted suspiciously. His Taj Mahal casino received what was then the largest fine in history for money-laundering violations. [...]

The narrative that will become widely understood is that Donald Trump did not sit atop a global empire. He was not an intuitive genius and tough guy who created billions of dollars of wealth through fearlessness. He had a small, sad operation, mostly run by his two oldest children and Michael Cohen, a lousy lawyer who barely keeps up the pretenses of lawyering and who now faces an avalanche of charges, from taxicab-backed bank fraud to money laundering and campaign-finance violations.




https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1702 » by TGW » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:01 pm

cammac2 wrote:The New Yorker has a article on Trump/Cohen lots of good stuff in it!

This is the week we know, with increasing certainty, that we are entering the last phase of the Trump Presidency. This doesn’t feel like a prophecy; it feels like a simple statement of the apparent truth. I know dozens of reporters and other investigators who have studied Donald Trump and his business and political ties. Some have been skeptical of the idea that President Trump himself knowingly colluded with Russian officials. It seems not at all Trumpian to participate in a complex plan with a long-term, uncertain payoff. Collusion is an imprecise word, but it does seem close to certain that his son Donald, Jr., and several people who worked for him colluded with people close to the Kremlin; it is up to prosecutors and then the courts to figure out if this was illegal or merely deceitful. We may have a hard time finding out what President Trump himself knew and approved.

However, I am unaware of anybody who has taken a serious look at Trump’s business who doesn’t believe that there is a high likelihood of rampant criminality. In Azerbaijan, he did business with a likely money launderer for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard. In the Republic of Georgia, he partnered with a group that was being investigated for a possible role in the largest known bank-fraud and money-laundering case in history. In Indonesia, his development partner is “knee-deep in dirty politics”; there are criminal investigations of his deals in Brazil; the F.B.I. is reportedly looking into his daughter Ivanka’s role in the Trump hotel in Vancouver, for which she worked with a Malaysian family that has admitted to financial fraud. Back home, Donald, Jr., and Ivanka were investigated for financial crimes associated with the Trump hotel in SoHo—an investigation that was halted suspiciously. His Taj Mahal casino received what was then the largest fine in history for money-laundering violations. [...]

The narrative that will become widely understood is that Donald Trump did not sit atop a global empire. He was not an intuitive genius and tough guy who created billions of dollars of wealth through fearlessness. He had a small, sad operation, mostly run by his two oldest children and Michael Cohen, a lousy lawyer who barely keeps up the pretenses of lawyering and who now faces an avalanche of charges, from taxicab-backed bank fraud to money laundering and campaign-finance violations.




https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency


That's a cute article and all, but who's willing to bet that no charges are filed on Trump and Trump finishes out his term?

I guarantee not even the most ardent russiagate believers would take that bet.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1703 » by cammac2 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:17 pm

TGW wrote:
cammac2 wrote:The New Yorker has a article on Trump/Cohen lots of good stuff in it!

This is the week we know, with increasing certainty, that we are entering the last phase of the Trump Presidency. This doesn’t feel like a prophecy; it feels like a simple statement of the apparent truth. I know dozens of reporters and other investigators who have studied Donald Trump and his business and political ties. Some have been skeptical of the idea that President Trump himself knowingly colluded with Russian officials. It seems not at all Trumpian to participate in a complex plan with a long-term, uncertain payoff. Collusion is an imprecise word, but it does seem close to certain that his son Donald, Jr., and several people who worked for him colluded with people close to the Kremlin; it is up to prosecutors and then the courts to figure out if this was illegal or merely deceitful. We may have a hard time finding out what President Trump himself knew and approved.

However, I am unaware of anybody who has taken a serious look at Trump’s business who doesn’t believe that there is a high likelihood of rampant criminality. In Azerbaijan, he did business with a likely money launderer for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard. In the Republic of Georgia, he partnered with a group that was being investigated for a possible role in the largest known bank-fraud and money-laundering case in history. In Indonesia, his development partner is “knee-deep in dirty politics”; there are criminal investigations of his deals in Brazil; the F.B.I. is reportedly looking into his daughter Ivanka’s role in the Trump hotel in Vancouver, for which she worked with a Malaysian family that has admitted to financial fraud. Back home, Donald, Jr., and Ivanka were investigated for financial crimes associated with the Trump hotel in SoHo—an investigation that was halted suspiciously. His Taj Mahal casino received what was then the largest fine in history for money-laundering violations. [...]

The narrative that will become widely understood is that Donald Trump did not sit atop a global empire. He was not an intuitive genius and tough guy who created billions of dollars of wealth through fearlessness. He had a small, sad operation, mostly run by his two oldest children and Michael Cohen, a lousy lawyer who barely keeps up the pretenses of lawyering and who now faces an avalanche of charges, from taxicab-backed bank fraud to money laundering and campaign-finance violations.




https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency


That's a cute article and all, but who's willing to bet that no charges are filed on Trump and Trump finishes out his term?

I guarantee not even the most ardent russiagate believers would take that bet.


Reality is that it is counterproductive to impeach Trump during this term. He is too much of a asset for the Democrats in 2020 will be noise but let more and more come out. Plus you will see a battle for Republicans to challenge him for nomination.

Do I believe he could be impeached yes but again better a wounded and flailing Trump. Do I believe he is guilty "YES" but he can be prosecuted after he is no longer President.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1704 » by cammac2 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:36 pm

Independent/Conservative billionaire who has supported the Republican Party in the past is now going to donate his tax savings to the Democrats. Seth Klarman donated a reported $7 million to the Republicans in the last 9 years.

He’s given roughly $222,000 since the 2016 election to 78 Democrats running for Congress, according to federal election data from 2017 and a preview of Klarman’s first-quarter donations provided to the Globe by a person familiar with his giving.

“The Republicans in Congress have failed to hold the president accountable and have abandoned their historic beliefs and values,” Klarman said in a prepared statement to the Globe, opening up for the first time about the reasons behind his change in political giving. “For the good of the country, the Democrats must take back one or both houses of Congress.”


“I received a tax cut I neither need nor want,” said Klarman, who Forbes estimates is worth $1.5 billion. “I’m choosing to invest it to fight the administration’s flawed policies and to elect Democrats to the Senate and House of Representatives.”


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/16/1757431/-Billionaire-Republic-donor-says-he-s-using-his-tax-cut-to-help-Democrats-take-control-of-government
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1705 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:49 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1706 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:50 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:I think healthy skepticism is important for Democracy. We should always ask do we trust the government, particularly since the FBI persecuted the Black Panthers in straight up violation of the Constitution in the sixties and seventies. Our government is totally capable of ganging up on people. We are a racist country first and a Constitutional Democracy second.

I think the question you have to ask first, though, is - if you have a conspiracy theory that you are being persecuted, stop and ask the following two questions:
1) Am I white?
2) Am I male?

If the answer to either of those questions is yes, the chances of you being the victim of a conspiracy is pretty much zero. For example, is there a "deep state" that is persecuting Trump? Is Trump white? Is Trump male? Then probably not. The Constitution protects white males from persecuting other white males, and to a lesser extent white females, as long as they pretend to be male.

Misuse of the powers of government is widespread at every level of government today. So yes, a healthy skepticism is warranted.

You mention the Black Panthers and the FBI, don't forget Hoover and MLK. Also, the IRS is just as good at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_allegations_of_misuse_of_the_Internal_Revenue_Service

And to your conspiracy question. I think it is more the "deep state" question for each of their domains. For example, if you are part of the education deep state - you demonize anyone who is against the current public education institution - regardless of sex or race.

I have watched this with fascination at the state level with respect to the industrial prison complex. The are terrific at demonizing their antagonists as weak on crime - that they are okay with rampant crime - that they just don't care.


I've thought about education A LOT. It is much more complicated than you think, so when idiots like DeVos come in and think they can just privatize the whole thing - well, I can understand people getting impatient.

If you privatize schools, you will be able to fire teachers for not teaching creationism. It is just a flat out non-starter. If you want to teach your kids to be anti-science, you have to home school or send them to a private school.

Prisons, yeah, I'm with you there.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1707 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:54 pm

cammac2 wrote:
TGW wrote:
cammac2 wrote:The New Yorker has a article on Trump/Cohen lots of good stuff in it!





https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency


That's a cute article and all, but who's willing to bet that no charges are filed on Trump and Trump finishes out his term?

I guarantee not even the most ardent russiagate believers would take that bet.


Reality is that it is counterproductive to impeach Trump during this term. He is too much of a asset for the Democrats in 2020 will be noise but let more and more come out. Plus you will see a battle for Republicans to challenge him for nomination.

Do I believe he could be impeached yes but again better a wounded and flailing Trump. Do I believe he is guilty "YES" but he can be prosecuted after he is no longer President.


The main purpose to impeaching Trump is to get all sorts of bad press going on about him constantly like the Republicans did to Hillary. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Draw it out to 2020, really let those bastards squirm. They've earned it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1708 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:17 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
cammac2 wrote:
TGW wrote:
That's a cute article and all, but who's willing to bet that no charges are filed on Trump and Trump finishes out his term?

I guarantee not even the most ardent russiagate believers would take that bet.


Reality is that it is counterproductive to impeach Trump during this term. He is too much of a asset for the Democrats in 2020 will be noise but let more and more come out. Plus you will see a battle for Republicans to challenge him for nomination.

Do I believe he could be impeached yes but again better a wounded and flailing Trump. Do I believe he is guilty "YES" but he can be prosecuted after he is no longer President.


The main purpose to impeaching Trump is to get all sorts of bad press going on about him constantly like the Republicans did to Hillary. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Draw it out to 2020, really let those bastards squirm. They've earned it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1709 » by dckingsfan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:35 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:I think healthy skepticism is important for Democracy. We should always ask do we trust the government, particularly since the FBI persecuted the Black Panthers in straight up violation of the Constitution in the sixties and seventies. Our government is totally capable of ganging up on people. We are a racist country first and a Constitutional Democracy second.

I think the question you have to ask first, though, is - if you have a conspiracy theory that you are being persecuted, stop and ask the following two questions:
1) Am I white?
2) Am I male?

If the answer to either of those questions is yes, the chances of you being the victim of a conspiracy is pretty much zero. For example, is there a "deep state" that is persecuting Trump? Is Trump white? Is Trump male? Then probably not. The Constitution protects white males from persecuting other white males, and to a lesser extent white females, as long as they pretend to be male.

Misuse of the powers of government is widespread at every level of government today. So yes, a healthy skepticism is warranted.

You mention the Black Panthers and the FBI, don't forget Hoover and MLK. Also, the IRS is just as good at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_allegations_of_misuse_of_the_Internal_Revenue_Service

And to your conspiracy question. I think it is more the "deep state" question for each of their domains. For example, if you are part of the education deep state - you demonize anyone who is against the current public education institution - regardless of sex or race.

I have watched this with fascination at the state level with respect to the industrial prison complex. The are terrific at demonizing their antagonists as weak on crime - that they are okay with rampant crime - that they just don't care.


I've thought about education A LOT. It is much more complicated than you think, so when idiots like DeVos come in and think they can just privatize the whole thing - well, I can understand people getting impatient.

If you privatize schools, you will be able to fire teachers for not teaching creationism. It is just a flat out non-starter. If you want to teach your kids to be anti-science, you have to home school or send them to a private school.

Prisons, yeah, I'm with you there.

You hit on a touch point with schools - anti-science, creationism, etc.

And yet that only touches on the non-creative destruction created by the DOE. Just think about higher-ed and the student loan program. Another perfect program that benefits the industrial teaching complex (and less teachers than administrators).

And they are perfect at tying the two together. You can't get rid of the DOE, they will start teaching creationism!!! While at the same time sinking our students in debt.

The teaching establishment as been brilliant in loading our local and state governments and students with unsustainable debt. And as an industrial complex, they are even better than the prison industrial complex. And they flat out control the Ds:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/nyregion/cuomo-nixon-wfp-labor-governor-election.html
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1710 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:45 pm

not that it was any less veiled before. But at least Cammac and Zonker are joining GTN and pointgod coalition and aren't wasting our time anymore with pretending that you are actually seeking truth and justice. Or believe in our constitution. Or playing by the rules. Or believe in fair and democratic elections or anything like that.

You just want politicians that agree with you to govern no matter how bad it is for democracy. You guys actually want dictators. So long as they are liberal dictators that agree with you (however naive and stupid just the premise is... never mind silly the perversion of the constitution and worse the folly of your proven failed political ideology in all of the major US cites where liberals have destroyed financial, physical, and mental health of their residents). You guys simply dont believe in demcracy. You dont beleive in elections. You dont believe in the will of the people to own their government. You want all opposition to your ideology to die. a painful death.

I mean all of this has been clear the entire 12 months ive been posting. But at least you are coming right out and saying it now. so much easier this way. So in that regard, I can at least respect the fact that you are at least "discovering yourselves more" in these last 12 months.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1711 » by I_Like_Dirt » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:51 pm

dckingsfan wrote:And yet that only touches on the non-creative destruction created by the DOE. Just think about higher-ed and the student loan program. Another perfect program that benefits the industrial teaching complex (and less teachers than administrators).

And they are perfect at tying the two together. You can't get rid of the DOE, they will start teaching creationism!!! While at the same time sinking our students in debt.



See I agree with you about administrators over teachers benefitting. Frankly, that's a problem we're seeing everywhere. Administration filters up and cuts everywhere else. That isn't unique to the public sector. What the public sector does is attempts to hold out as long as possible with the lower end employees resulting in crippling debt. To me, this isn't about burning down the hedge, it's about learning to trim it properly, and it isn't a private v public scenario - it needs to be done in both places and you're going to need both to make it work. And frankly, both have been moved about as far from reachable/fixable as possible at this point, driven by forces that would rather do away with them, which won't resolve anything, either.

I'm all for abolishing programs like student loans, but only if there is a reasonable replacement out there that doesn't involve education for the wealthy only. What we need to do is look into the administrative costs and figure out why things are suddenly not affordable when they were once affordable. Pensions, we've seen a move on that one - far later than it should have been, but market ties did happen.

There needs to be more of that across all sectors of society. But that's actually another problem. Essentially, whenever such reviews happen, if you take them on a case by case basis, in a large % of cases, most of the savings winds up being skimmed up and filtering up. So yeah, more efficient, but you wind up taking out more than the savings are worth because CEOs get bonuses and shareholders need profits. Everyone is holding on as tight as they can to what they have and the person who lets go first, loses. So yeah, I want to see trimming of government in a big way, but for that to be done I want to see some rather heavy private sector restructuring done so that the government restructuring isn't sabotaged from the outset.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1712 » by Wizardspride » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:53 pm

Man....

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1713 » by montestewart » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:54 pm

STD, you only got yourself to blame,
Told you before but result's still the same
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1714 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:04 pm

Someone on the internet disagrees with me! Boohoo!!!!!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1715 » by Wizardspride » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:07 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1716 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:34 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
The teaching establishment as been brilliant in loading our local and state governments and students with unsustainable debt. And as an industrial complex, they are even better than the prison industrial complex. And they flat out control the Ds:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/nyregion/cuomo-nixon-wfp-labor-governor-election.html


Just to pile on here anecdotally to the rising costs of education.

in 1998 it cost me $2500 per semester for tuition to attend dental school. This was an elite "state" school. There were other costs which summed around $20,000 per year. Today that cost is $65,000 per year. Why?

--At that time, the average salary per year for each professor was around $115,000 per year. Today its over $195,000. only 20 years later.

--we had just built a new clinic and were going to build another nearby. $2million.

--The dean was earning about 150,000 per year. Today over $300,000.

--A typical average practicing dentist's Gross pay in 1998 was about $250,000 per year in 1998. Today that number is (about $325,000. dentists are businessmen and their businesses have writeoffs so Yahoo and monster will have these numbers a bit lower based on tax returns but if those business were W2 employees these are the current accepted averages within the dental community.

--so what gives??

--The dental school claims it needs to "pay more" to their dentists that are professors to retain them.

--Those same professors are also deans and assistant deans. So they are fighting for their own salaries.

--So the dental educators want more money. and to "get the money" (to get pay raises) the answer is simple. charge more for tuition. its the easiest racket in the world because the young kids that want to be dentists are willing to pay more for tuition so long as they can borrow money at low interest rates. When i came out of dental school my total cost was around 125,000 because i borrowed extra money for living expenses. So i felt I had to earn a certain amount of money to pay that off and justify the time in school and the arduous work to learn. so i had to work for a place that could afford me which translates into charging the patient a certain amount per procedure to justify those costs. Today those same young dentists are leaving dental school with an average of $600,000 in debt!!!! So they all feel that they need to earn a significant more than i earn to justify their costs. So their salaries are rising. which means the cost to the public is rising, which means the average salary to dental educators is rising to keep up and be competitive with practicing dentists. get it?? Follow all that??? Its almost a completely artificial increase in the cost to become a dentist which makes dental salaries rise. even though the building itself and the lad itself was bought and paid for long ago.

--and that's why it costs so much to go to the dentist compared to 25 years ago. This has occurred in every single facet of medicine. Thats why medicare costs so much.

--and yes these professors get tenured early, make TOP dollar, and have lush retirement plans. Which fall on to the general public if/when they can no longer raise the cost of tuition to keep up because at some point the young student is NOT going to take on $1million more or debt.

--And i imagine that to some degree this is exactly what happens in every single sector of higher education and why costs are skyrocketing.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1717 » by dckingsfan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:37 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:And yet that only touches on the non-creative destruction created by the DOE. Just think about higher-ed and the student loan program. Another perfect program that benefits the industrial teaching complex (and less teachers than administrators).

And they are perfect at tying the two together. You can't get rid of the DOE, they will start teaching creationism!!! While at the same time sinking our students in debt.

See I agree with you about administrators over teachers benefitting. Frankly, that's a problem we're seeing everywhere. Administration filters up and cuts everywhere else. That isn't unique to the public sector. What the public sector does is attempts to hold out as long as possible with the lower end employees resulting in crippling debt. To me, this isn't about burning down the hedge, it's about learning to trim it properly, and it isn't a private v public scenario - it needs to be done in both places and you're going to need both to make it work. And frankly, both have been moved about as far from reachable/fixable as possible at this point, driven by forces that would rather do away with them, which won't resolve anything, either.

I'm all for abolishing programs like student loans, but only if there is a reasonable replacement out there that doesn't involve education for the wealthy only. What we need to do is look into the administrative costs and figure out why things are suddenly not affordable when they were once affordable. Pensions, we've seen a move on that one - far later than it should have been, but market ties did happen.

There needs to be more of that across all sectors of society. But that's actually another problem. Essentially, whenever such reviews happen, if you take them on a case by case basis, in a large % of cases, most of the savings winds up being skimmed up and filtering up. So yeah, more efficient, but you wind up taking out more than the savings are worth because CEOs get bonuses and shareholders need profits. Everyone is holding on as tight as they can to what they have and the person who lets go first, loses. So yeah, I want to see trimming of government in a big way, but for that to be done I want to see some rather heavy private sector restructuring done so that the government restructuring isn't sabotaged from the outset.

So, you want to link a restructuring of the private sector to the public sector and (although you agree it is broken) you don't want bad programs terminated unless there is a replacement. And that is a problem.

The reason it is a problem is that it becomes too late to fix - the student debt kept piling up. And we knew. We have ruined countless lives because of this attitude. And the ONLY thing the student debt program did was to raise the costs of education putting it further out of reach for those you want to help.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1718 » by closg00 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:38 pm

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:lol: :lol: If Hannity is a client then perhaps he will become the next conservative hypocrite to be exposed, I wonder what it will be?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1719 » by gtn130 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:39 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:not that it was any less veiled before. But at least Cammac and Zonker are joining GTN and pointgod coalition and aren't wasting our time anymore with pretending that you are actually seeking truth and justice.


Buddy, you have proven without a shred of doubt and on an almost daily basis that you give absolutely zero f***s about the truth.

My last interaction with you was the following:

SD20: Black unemployment was at 20% every year of Obama's presidency. He did nothing for black people!

Me: No, actually it was at 16.8% at the apex of the recession for one single year and declined significantly every year thereafter. Here's a line graph showing you the consistent decline in unemployment.

SD20: *never responds, leaves thread*

If you cared at all about TRUTH and JUSTICE as you put it, you'd try to say things that are actually true. Instead, you consistently say things that are flat out wrong, share content that is actual fake news, and never bother to respond when you're called out for getting the facts wrong.

At this point you're gaslighting everyone about this truth and justice nonsense, and you should imo be banned from the thread.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIX 

Post#1720 » by dckingsfan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:43 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Prisons, yeah, I'm with you there.

BTW, this is one area where I have switch while on the board - disagreed with you at first. When you really dive into the costs of the war on drugs, tough on crime, three strikes, etc. you can see how stupid those programs are especially when compared to the Netherlands.

And the costs are staggering in real dollars and the underachievement of families where the father has been incarcerated.

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