We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

[Joest2003]

but I also don't have a problem with people analyzing his play and coming away concerned.

That's funny because I'm concerned about many things after watching this past season. Including MKG still not being able to shoot in his 6th season, Frank not being able to play a lick of defense to save his life, and Batums god awful franchise crippling contract and his lack of effort just to name a few.

Our 19 year old rookie that has generational talent on a team full of underachieving scrubs, nah thats not my concern at all. We should be blessed to have him here. Instead we will bash him for 3 years until he becomes a Allstar. All while coddling mediocre/trash players. Sounds fimiliar no?

Gotta love Hornet fans

[yosemiteben]

I can't decide if you're being disingenuous or just don't care to accurately represent the views on here, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with the latter. Many on here, including myself, have expressed disappointment and frustration with MKG, Frank, Cody, and these other "mediocre/trash players." You ignoring that and then attacking us for coddling this players is just kinda dumb.

Sorry you don't like us. Feel free to focus on your own views instead of lashing out because Monk isn't getting the level of respect you think he is owed.

[fatlever]

who is praising mkg last 2 years?

Why was he ever praised?

check out his net rtgs, on/off #s and win/loss when he played those years before the shoulder injury, they were best on the team.

since then, he hurt that shoulder x2, shot rebuild went in reverse and league changed exponentially away from mkg, hence why he is no longer praised + he plateaued as a player.

none of which relate to monk.

[fatlever]

Why was he ever praised?

For the same reason you want us to praise Monk?

Monk doesn't shoot like not funny

don't say stuff like that

[fatlever]

we've all given up on batum, no need to beat a dead horse. monk still has a chance to be really good + he is young and can still correct his flaws. nothing wrong w/ discussing those flaws in hopes we see continued improvement.

when we stop caring enough to criticize players because they are a lost cause, that's the time to worry.

[Joest2003]

So hold on. We're gonna sit here and act like Walker wasn't bashed his first few years unlike any other player in recent history of of this franchise? Including players who were drafted higher and were underpreforming him. Must have been nice for MKG to just play defense and not worry about scoring. Because with those lineups Walker was forced to take those shots everyone was criticising him for. Imagine MKG being depended on to score I'm sure the narrative would be a whole lot different. I just sat back and watched as he was being labeled the future 6th man while MKG was being hailed the future of the franchise. I was quiet while all the mods bashed him nightly and demanded for a trade. A few of us tried come to walkers defense but we were outnumbered and attacked for trying to defend him. Now I'm starting to see the same pattern for Monk. Who, like Kemba will change this franchise and we already got people people talking about his shooting % and how he's one of the worst players in the league. I guess I'll just stay silent on this one as well because there's no sense arguing with someone who thought MKG could be the star of a franchise and that we should trade Kemba.

[yosemiteben]

I'm sorry people talked badly about your favorite player like four years ago. Let us know what can be done to help you remove that massive chip off your shoulder because this is ridiculous.

I do think it's pretty clear that these complaints have little to do with Monk and more with some baggage you're carrying around.

I personally would love for you to stay silent if the alternative is you complaining about opinions people had several years ago.

[Joest2003]

And for the record I'm not talking about people who casually criticise Monk. It's ok to say he had a bad game and he needs to work on this or that. I'm talking specifically to the people who have been saying he's one of the worst players in the league and keep talking about shooting %.

[Joest2003]

I'm sorry people talked badly about your favorite player like four years ago. Let us know what can be done to help you remove that massive chip off your shoulder because this is ridiculous.

I do think it's pretty clear that these complaints have little to do with Monk and more with some baggage you're carrying around.

I personally would love for you to stay silent if the alternative is you complaining about opinions people had several years ago.

Truth hurts. And I don't care what anyone said about Walker years ago I'm using it as a example to illustrate how history is repeating itself. I'm not surprised that totally went over your head though.

I mean you did think MKG was the future of our franchise

[Robot Rock]

I'm sorry people talked badly about your favorite player like four years ago. Let us know what can be done to help you remove that massive chip off your shoulder because this is ridiculous.

I do think it's pretty clear that these complaints have little to do with Monk and more with some baggage you're carrying around.

I personally would love for you to stay silent if the alternative is you complaining about opinions people had several years ago.

Being "petty": Not OK

Being passive-aggressive: Totally cool

[yosemiteben]

I'm sorry people talked badly about your favorite player like four years ago. Let us know what can be done to help you remove that massive chip off your shoulder because this is ridiculous.

I do think it's pretty clear that these complaints have little to do with Monk and more with some baggage you're carrying around.

I personally would love for you to stay silent if the alternative is you complaining about opinions people had several years ago.

Being "petty": Not OK

Being passive-aggressive: Totally cool

I'm not being passive-aggressive. Bringing up years old complaints about unrelated topics to bash opinions of certain players is out of line. If that doesn't stop, then the discussion is going to end.

[Robot Rock]

I'm sorry people talked badly about your favorite player like four years ago. Let us know what can be done to help you remove that massive chip off your shoulder because this is ridiculous.

I do think it's pretty clear that these complaints have little to do with Monk and more with some baggage you're carrying around.

I personally would love for you to stay silent if the alternative is you complaining about opinions people had several years ago.

Being "petty": Not OK

Being passive-aggressive: Totally cool

I'm not being passive-aggressive. Bringing up years old complaints about unrelated topics to bash opinions of certain players is out of line. If that doesn't stop, then the discussion is going to end.

What would you like to talk about? Let's make the Monk thread only about what you want to discuss. I don't want it to get locked, so here are some suggested topics:

1) Is cheesecake a pie, or a cake?

2) Is a hot dog a sandwich?

3) What happened to Hoops Malone? Whose alt is that?

4) What should I get for dinner?

5) Which negative Monk statistic gets you the hottest?

6) Why did some posts in here get deleted?

7) there is no question 7

8) How long before this gets deleted?

[yosemiteben]

I mean you did think MKG was the future of our franchise

This is not true. I don't care to even explain to you my view on MKG because you clearly haven't taken the time to ask me or to attempt to understand my opinion.

Please stick to expressing your views on players and not on posters.

[fatlever]

as YB said, derailing threads to rehash old arguments is not acceptable.

[Joest2003]

as YB said, derailing threads to rehash old arguments is not acceptable.

LOL Really?

I used Kemba as an example how we bash our great young players to early before they can develope. And how we should slow down on calling monk the worst player in the league and focusing on his shooting % using Walker as an example.

I guess I was out of line....

Hmmm I wonder why you guys don't like to talk about those days when Kemba was labeled as the 6th man by all the mods lol.

[LofJ]

MKG was the first time the team landed a top 2 pick in the draft since Alonzo Mourning (we traded up for Okafor). It's to be expected that we rallied to him for hope and excitement. And yeah he has been a massive disappointment while Kemba has greatly exceeded expectations.

All that said I'd cool your jets on proclaiming that Monk will rise to Kemba's level. I really, really hope that happens but it's a good idea to have low expectations with this team until proven otherwise. But funnily enough he's the most excited I've been about a draft pick since MKG.

[Liver_Pooty]

I think saying Monk is a generational type talent is a bit much. That being said I think hes going to be pretty damn good.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

[fatlever]

as YB said, derailing threads to rehash old arguments is not acceptable.

LOL Really?

I used Kemba as an example how we bash our great young players to early before they can develope. And how we should slow down on calling monk the worst player in the league and focusing on his shooting % using Walker as an example.

I guess I was out of line....

Hmmm I wonder why you guys don't like to talk about those days when Kemba was labeled as the 6th man by all the mods lol.

big difference between citing kemba's development curve as sign for encouragement with monk and rehashing arguments from 6 years ago as a form of scorekeeping. one is acceptable form of dialogue, to a point, other is derailing the thread for your benefit/amusement.

last warning

[MasterIchiro]

My take: multiple years, at least two in a row but probably closer to three, Kemba was scapegoated and MKG glorified, to the extent I dubbed this forum the MKG love dome, thus Ben's profile pick. It was done in good fun. Sometimes you just feel silly about a prospect and you can't fully justify it with numbers and data. You never know with young prospects how they're going to turn out. Kemba the scapegoat now the hero. MKG, the guy no one would trade for Klay Thompson, now the worst fitting player on the entire roster and certainly the worst starter. He's on his way out. Kemba will be a lifetime Hornet.

There is some trauma from defending Kemba, among his most passionate fans. We bathed in hate nightly, for YEARS. I think some of that passion has transferred to Monk by some of those same fans, myself included, so we feel a little hypersensitive about it and need to relax. I really don't think the gamethreads will ever deteriorate the way they did on Kemba, with Monk or anyone else for that matter. And I don't hear a chorus of calls to trade Monk either. I don't know why the Kemba hate intensified as fiercely as his believers believed in him. Maybe it was some kind of feedback loop. It won't ever get that way again. Also, we depended on Kemba more than we do Monk. It's not as important that Monk carry the team as it was for Kemba in those years. Yes, I expect growing pains but I'm proud to take a stand and believe in Monk. I don't need numbers. When you take a stand, just be ready to answer for it when the results trickle in. It's fair game for those who took a stand and it's all in good fun to look back with hindsight.