Fake Trade Thread

[stinger14]

I like the idea of Harris, but if we have a shot at Kawhi, then we must take that opportunity. Kawhi thinks his marketability will explode in LA, and he is probably right. However, he is also a Jordan Brand guy, and I read somewhere that he has been wanting his own signature shoe through Jordan Brand. If he comes here, and Jordan promises to give him his own shoe line through Jordan Brand, and make him a face of Jordan Brand if he resigns here, Kawhi would have to seriously think about those possibilities as well.

[Lwcasu]

I’ve heard on several podcasts, I listen to almost all of them relating to hoops, that they feel Kawhi can be had for less then you would think.
No thanks on Harris.

True, he has some highly concerning makeup issues going on, something in his head not his body. He's in his physical prime but there's risk there. He wants to be in LA. He thinks he'd feel happy there. Thats why the Clippers think they have a shot. He obviously wants to escape Pop. I think three lotto picks (11 +12 + 14) plus Nic Batum is a fair price. Nic fits Pop's style well. He just looks like a Spur. Aging, slow, great team play, gets the job done, high IQ, Euro style like Parker and Ginobli. Three late lotto picks feels little light but the Spurs draft well and hopefully they like this draft. Also Kawhi has sparked recent concerns that damage his value. No GM is going to pay the farm for him and give up a top 3 guy, not knowing why this guy is having such a hard time finding the court. So yeah, if we can turn SGA or Knox into Tobias Harris, using Nic's money to lock up Harris in his prime, giving Kemba a #2 scorer? Don't overthink that please.

I would consider doing that, however; you'd still need to make a corresponding move involving Howard and/or let Howard walk at the end of his contract to resign Kemba. Tobias + Kemba, and a developing Monk isn't getting us into the playoffs. My fear with this trade is it doesn't really move the needle enough. I think we'd be better rolling the dice on the picks, and trying to trade Howard for an additional pick/just letting him expire. Move Batum to the second unit and let him play the point forward, and develop our draft picks.

That being said, if we would snag Kawhi by giving up our # 11, a future unprotected, Howard; and get a guarantee he'd resign, that's a no brainer.

[MasterIchiro]

I'm not opposed to pick 11 for Kawhi. Who would be? I just feel Tobias Harris is a more realistic target as a #2 scorer for pick 11.

[Lwcasu]

I'm not opposed to pick 11 for Kawhi. Who would be? I just feel Tobias Harris is a more realistic target as a #2 scorer for pick 11.

I didn't say you were. I was merely implying Tobias isnt going to move the needle much. In my opinion, we are better off developing draft picks.

[MasterIchiro]

I'm not opposed to pick 11 for Kawhi. Who would be? I just feel Tobias Harris is a more realistic target as a #2 scorer for pick 11.

I didn't say you were. I was merely implying Tobias isnt going to move the needle much. In my opinion, we are better off developing draft picks.

Do you consider Harris a #2 scorer?

[yosemiteben]

I don't, but I'm not super confident that he can't be.

[Snidely FC]

i like Harris I would just be annoyed that we picked him at 19 then had to trade 11 to get him back

[JDR720]

I would rather take a swing that Monk can be the #2 scorer before trading for Harris.

He is basically the new Rudy Gay, nice stats but doesn't help anyone win.

[chellis]

I like the idea of Harris, but if we have a shot at Kawhi, then we must take that opportunity. Kawhi thinks his marketability will explode in LA, and he is probably right. However, he is also a Jordan Brand guy, and I read somewhere that he has been wanting his own signature shoe through Jordan Brand. If he comes here, and Jordan promises to give him his own shoe line through Jordan Brand, and make him a face of Jordan Brand if he resigns here, Kawhi would have to seriously think about those possibilities as well.

Except Jordan can’t explicitly promise that. Once he took over as majority owner, the NBA said he could not have a say in who was signed as a Jordan brand athlete, shoe lines, etc. I’m sure he has his own back channels to make it happen and him already being a Jordan guy helps.

[stinger14]

I like the idea of Harris, but if we have a shot at Kawhi, then we must take that opportunity. Kawhi thinks his marketability will explode in LA, and he is probably right. However, he is also a Jordan Brand guy, and I read somewhere that he has been wanting his own signature shoe through Jordan Brand. If he comes here, and Jordan promises to give him his own shoe line through Jordan Brand, and make him a face of Jordan Brand if he resigns here, Kawhi would have to seriously think about those possibilities as well.

Except Jordan can’t explicitly promise that. Once he took over as majority owner, the NBA said he could not have a say in who was signed as a Jordan brand athlete, shoe lines, etc. I’m sure he has his own back channels to make it happen and him already being a Jordan guy helps.

True, but like you said, I'm sure he can make it happen

[Lwcasu]

I'm not opposed to pick 11 for Kawhi. Who would be? I just feel Tobias Harris is a more realistic target as a #2 scorer for pick 11.

I didn't say you were. I was merely implying Tobias isnt going to move the needle much. In my opinion, we are better off developing draft picks.

Do you consider Harris a #2 scorer?

Hmm, probably not. The one thing is he's efficient, but on a playoff caliber team, I'd say he'd be the #3 scorer. I'm sure some #8 seed could sneak in with him as their #2, i.e., like the Clippers almost did this season, however; that's not what I think we should shoot for. And, we have to pay him big bucks, and then what if he gets a serious injury or drops off after he gets a large contract? I'd rather develop with what we have. Monk and Willy look like they have legit potential, and we have a the #11 pick in a draft with solid value to #11-#12.

[Braggins]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya2vywj4

Charlotte gets - Kevin Love + Gorgui Deng
Charlotte gives - Dwight Howard + Marvin Williams + 2019 1st (top 10 protection)
Keep our pick this year and get Love at the expense of cap space and our 2019 1st.

Cleveland gets - Taj Gibson + Cole Aldritch + 21 (MIN) + 2019 1st (CHA/top 10 protection)
Cleveland gives - Kevin Love
Lebron leaves and they want to tank. No ones wants to give up a top 10 pick for Love in a good draft + more assets for Love, so they take cap space + two mid 1sts. They can use the cap space to take on bad contracts for more picks and also probably move Gibson for a 2nd or two.

Minnesota gets - Dwight Howard + Marvin Williams
Minnesota gives - Taj Gibson + Gorgui Deng + Cole Aldritch + 21
Minnesota gets Howard/Marv and get out of the final year of Deng's contract for the late 1st they are getting from OKC. Thibs might actually want Howard and think he's what they need (he theoretically should help their defense). Marv is a better fit than Gibson, especially if they are getting Howard.

I'm not sure if that trade is realistic at all. Someone would probably outbid that for Love, but who knows. Teams are getting stingy with draft picks and might not want to give up lottery picks for an often injured Love who is approaching his 30s. I also might not do that if I was Minnesota because I really don't like Howard, but they are known for bad decisions and if they are trying to build a team for Thibs I could see it happening. Charlotte taking on all that future salary and giving up a pick for aging Love is also pretty questionable. Idk, I was bored.

Kemba/Monk
Lamb/Bridges or SGA
MKG/Batum
Love/Frank
Cody/Willy/Deng

[yosemiteben]

I'd do that.

[LofJ]

I simulated the lottery on tankathon this morning and on the first attempt the Hornets jumped to pick 3. The Hornets take Michael Porter and then proceed to remake the roster.

Trade #1

BKN receives: Marvin Williams
CHA receives: Jeremy Lin

Trade #2

CLE receives: Dwight Howard, TJ Warren, Marquese Chriss, Troy Daniels, 2018 MIL 1st, 2019 PHO 1st, and 2021 MIA 1st
PHO receives: Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson
CHA receives: Tyson Chandler and Jared Dudley

Moving Marvin for Lin solves two problems, it opens up an additional 15 million in cap space and gives the team what it has been missing the last two years at the backup point position.

Moving Dwight is an addition by subtraction move. We don't have the assets to trade for Love without mortgaging the future, so we help Cleveland and Phoenix match salaries and bring back two expiring veterans.

2018-19 Roster

1) Kemba/Lin
2) Lamb/Monk/Bacon
3) Batum/MKG
4) Kaminsky/Dudley/Porter
5) Zeller/Chandler/Hernangomez

[stinger14]

I simulated the lottery on tankathon this morning and on the first attempt the Hornets jumped to pick 3. The Hornets take Michael Porter and then proceed to remake the roster.

Trade #1

BKN receives: Marvin Williams
CHA receives: Jeremy Lin

Trade #2

CLE receives: Dwight Howard, TJ Warren, Marquese Chriss, Troy Daniels, 2018 MIL 1st, 2019 PHO 1st, and 2021 MIA 1st
PHO receives: Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson
CHA receives: Tyson Chandler and Jared Dudley

Moving Marvin for Lin solves two problems, it opens up an additional 15 million in cap space and gives the team what it has been missing the last two years at the backup point position.

Moving Dwight is an addition by subtraction move. We don't have the assets to trade for Love without mortgaging the future, so we help Cleveland and Phoenix match salaries and bring back two expiring veterans.

2018-19 Roster

1) Kemba/Lin
2) Lamb/Monk/Bacon
3) Batum/MKG
4) Kaminsky/Dudley/Porter
5) Zeller/Chandler/Hernangomez

If we jump to the 3rd pick, I really hope we don't pick Porter, much better options there

[HornetJail]

^ that is craptastic for Phoenix. Love will not get them to playoff contention, he will leave at season's end and Phoenix would have just traded two future late lotto picks, the 17th pick this year, Chriss, and Warren, for one year of Love and two years of Tristan Thompson. That is AWFUL

[HornetJail]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya2vywj4

Charlotte gets - Kevin Love + Gorgui Deng
Charlotte gives - Dwight Howard + Marvin Williams + 2019 1st (top 10 protection)
Keep our pick this year and get Love at the expense of cap space and our 2019 1st.

Cleveland gets - Taj Gibson + Cole Aldritch + 21 (MIN) + 2019 1st (CHA/top 10 protection)
Cleveland gives - Kevin Love
Lebron leaves and they want to tank. No ones wants to give up a top 10 pick for Love in a good draft + more assets for Love, so they take cap space + two mid 1sts. They can use the cap space to take on bad contracts for more picks and also probably move Gibson for a 2nd or two.

Minnesota gets - Dwight Howard + Marvin Williams
Minnesota gives - Taj Gibson + Gorgui Deng + Cole Aldritch + 21
Minnesota gets Howard/Marv and get out of the final year of Deng's contract for the late 1st they are getting from OKC. Thibs might actually want Howard and think he's what they need (he theoretically should help their defense). Marv is a better fit than Gibson, especially if they are getting Howard.

I'm not sure if that trade is realistic at all. Someone would probably outbid that for Love, but who knows. Teams are getting stingy with draft picks and might not want to give up lottery picks for an often injured Love who is approaching his 30s. I also might not do that if I was Minnesota because I really don't like Howard, but they are known for bad decisions and if they are trying to build a team for Thibs I could see it happening. Charlotte taking on all that future salary and giving up a pick for aging Love is also pretty questionable. Idk, I was bored.

Kemba/Monk
Lamb/Bridges or SGA
MKG/Batum
Love/Frank
Cody/Willy/Deng

I'd do this but I'm not sure either of the others would. Feels light for Cleveland, and I'm not sure the fit is there for Minnesota.

[LofJ]

I simulated the lottery on tankathon this morning and on the first attempt the Hornets jumped to pick 3. The Hornets take Michael Porter and then proceed to remake the roster.

Trade #1

BKN receives: Marvin Williams
CHA receives: Jeremy Lin

Trade #2

CLE receives: Dwight Howard, TJ Warren, Marquese Chriss, Troy Daniels, 2018 MIL 1st, 2019 PHO 1st, and 2021 MIA 1st
PHO receives: Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson
CHA receives: Tyson Chandler and Jared Dudley

Moving Marvin for Lin solves two problems, it opens up an additional 15 million in cap space and gives the team what it has been missing the last two years at the backup point position.

Moving Dwight is an addition by subtraction move. We don't have the assets to trade for Love without mortgaging the future, so we help Cleveland and Phoenix match salaries and bring back two expiring veterans.

2018-19 Roster

1) Kemba/Lin
2) Lamb/Monk/Bacon
3) Batum/MKG
4) Kaminsky/Dudley/Porter
5) Zeller/Chandler/Hernangomez

If we jump to the 3rd pick, I really hope we don't pick Porter, much better options there

I'm assuming both Ayton and Doncic are off the board. And I really don't want this team to draft yet another power forward in Bagley or Jackson. I like both of them, but I have no faith in our ability to get the most out of them without massive roster changes. Give me the athletic hybrid wing in Porter that can shoot from anywhere on the court, has great intangibles, and is a willing passer.

[stinger14]

I simulated the lottery on tankathon this morning and on the first attempt the Hornets jumped to pick 3. The Hornets take Michael Porter and then proceed to remake the roster.

Trade #1

BKN receives: Marvin Williams
CHA receives: Jeremy Lin

Trade #2

CLE receives: Dwight Howard, TJ Warren, Marquese Chriss, Troy Daniels, 2018 MIL 1st, 2019 PHO 1st, and 2021 MIA 1st
PHO receives: Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson
CHA receives: Tyson Chandler and Jared Dudley

Moving Marvin for Lin solves two problems, it opens up an additional 15 million in cap space and gives the team what it has been missing the last two years at the backup point position.

Moving Dwight is an addition by subtraction move. We don't have the assets to trade for Love without mortgaging the future, so we help Cleveland and Phoenix match salaries and bring back two expiring veterans.

2018-19 Roster

1) Kemba/Lin
2) Lamb/Monk/Bacon
3) Batum/MKG
4) Kaminsky/Dudley/Porter
5) Zeller/Chandler/Hernangomez

If we jump to the 3rd pick, I really hope we don't pick Porter, much better options there

I'm assuming both Ayton and Doncic are off the board. And I really don't want this team to draft yet another power forward in Bagley or Jackson. I like both of them, but I have no faith in our ability to get the most out of them without massive roster changes. Give me the athletic hybrid wing in Porter that can shoot from anywhere on the court, has great intangibles, and is a willing passer.

Porter hasn't shown any of those attributes at this point, and the fact that he had back surgery is a red flag to me. With the Hornets luck, he would tear his back up again and never play again. When he played at seasons end, he shot the almost every time he touched it, and didn't make many of them either. Just too risky for this franchise with our luck. Also, I think Mikal Bridges is a better player, and his shooting ability along with his defense translates to the NBA better. However, I'm not passing on the chance to draft a top notch talented player in Bagley. He was a superstar in one of the best leagues in college basketball, and remember his age too. He reclassified and went to college a year early and still dominated the game. Tremendous athlete that explodes of the floor. He can land and go back up as fast as anybody you will see. He improved his shooting touch tremendously, and was knocking down threes at years end. Make a move, ship Marvin out and draft this guy if you can. I also like Jackson, Bamba, Young, Sexton, and SGA better than Porter. From what I have seen in high school film and the few college games he played, Porter and Knox are the same player

[HornetJail]

Based on what I've read (hardly seen any of these guys play tbh) if we get the 3rd pick and really want Porter for whatever reason, we should trade back to like 5 or 6. It sounds like some teams would pay hard to get one of Ayton, Bagley, or Doncic.