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Golanator wrote:kennydorglas wrote:
Whew, Zhaire at least is going to make some good prospect slip or make the late lottery range super strong.
As a Tech fan, he good.
Not sure he really fits here because we already have Josh Jackson and Davon Reed as 3&D wings, but he’ll make someone happy.
Golanator wrote:kennydorglas wrote:
Whew, Zhaire at least is going to make some good prospect slip or make the late lottery range super strong.
As a Tech fan, he good.
Not sure he really fits here because we already have Josh Jackson and Davon Reed as 3&D wings, but he’ll make someone happy.
I do think he’ll go in the late lottery. Denver would be a nice fit for him.
Murray
Harris
Zhaire
Millsap
Jokic
Wilson Chandler can screw off lol.
dremill24 wrote:Golanator wrote:kennydorglas wrote:
Whew, Zhaire at least is going to make some good prospect slip or make the late lottery range super strong.
As a Tech fan, he good.
Not sure he really fits here because we already have Josh Jackson and Davon Reed as 3&D wings, but he’ll make someone happy.
If he’s that good then Reed is highly replaceable
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Doncic flopped so bad against Panathinaikos: 10 points, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 2 turnovers (only 5 shots) in 21 minutes.
Mike James had 24 points, 5 assists and Nick Calathes had 11 points, 16 assists.
There's at least another 2 games between them so Doncic would need a dramatic bounce back to maintain his draft stock.
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Doncic flopped so bad against Panathinaikos: 10 points, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 2 turnovers (only 5 shots) in 21 minutes.
Mike James had 24 points, 5 assists and Nick Calathes had 11 points, 16 assists.
There's at least another 2 games between them so Doncic would need a dramatic bounce back to maintain his draft stock.
Saberestar wrote:juanc wrote:Saberestar wrote:Different era and context.
Right now every european young player with high potential is in the NBA already. Players like Luwawu are in the NBA.
The NBA have now A LOT of more players in the league. Every team have 17 players, in the past they have only 13.
Sooo, there are around 120 more players in the league, and a lot of them are players that could have been playing in Europe if not for this new era in the NBA.
G-League have talented players too that want to stay close to the NBA because they know that they could have an opportunity because of injuries, changes,....so those players are out of the EuroLeague too. The talent's pool in Europe is worst than ever.
Doncic is really good but he is having such a good season because the level of competition is really low in Europe now and Sergio Llul is out for the season.
I like him and I have him #3 in my big board, but I am not "that" impressed by him.
He is really good, but comparing him with Larry Bird or saying that his floor is Ginobili it is too much IMO. Way too much.
Euroleague has never been more competetive and tougher than it is now.. And yes Calathes has had the best season of his life and has a team that suits him well.
If it wasn't for Doncic, Real would have no chance against Pao. And thats the difference. Stats don't do him justice. When he plays Real is a better team, but when he has a good game he is able to win it all by himself..
Abot mike james, he played 8 games in euroleague if I'm not wrong, so it's still Calathes who has been tue main guy for them if you are looking at the whole season
Not even close.
There are not star players in Europe anymore. In the past, EuroLeague teams had GREAT players in their prime, that is not the case anymore.
For example... Barcelona in 2002-03 had this starting five:
Jasikevicius, Navarro, Bodiroga, Fu^cka and Dueñas.
With Femerling, De la Fuente, Varejao and Rodriguez coming from the bench.
At least five players from that roster would have been in the NBA and not in Europe today. No way Bodiroga is not in the NBA in their prime in 2018.
Waylay13 wrote:Saberestar wrote:juanc wrote:Euroleague has never been more competetive and tougher than it is now.. And yes Calathes has had the best season of his life and has a team that suits him well.
If it wasn't for Doncic, Real would have no chance against Pao. And thats the difference. Stats don't do him justice. When he plays Real is a better team, but when he has a good game he is able to win it all by himself..
Abot mike james, he played 8 games in euroleague if I'm not wrong, so it's still Calathes who has been tue main guy for them if you are looking at the whole season
Not even close.
There are not star players in Europe anymore. In the past, EuroLeague teams had GREAT players in their prime, that is not the case anymore.
For example... Barcelona in 2002-03 had this starting five:
Jasikevicius, Navarro, Bodiroga, Fu^cka and Dueñas.
With Femerling, De la Fuente, Varejao and Rodriguez coming from the bench.
At least five players from that roster would have been in the NBA and not in Europe today. No way Bodiroga is not in the NBA in their prime in 2018.
Saberstar, question for you, who should we believe the the scouts like Givony who sees hundreds of games both in the US and Europe and gets paid for his basketball knowledge or you an educated basketball fan? I am sorry but I but I think I am going to go with Givony who calls Doncic the best player in this draft by far.
gaspar wrote:Mulhollanddrive wrote:Doncic flopped so bad against Panathinaikos: 10 points, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 2 turnovers (only 5 shots) in 21 minutes.
Mike James had 24 points, 5 assists and Nick Calathes had 11 points, 16 assists.
There's at least another 2 games between them so Doncic would need a dramatic bounce back to maintain his draft stock.
This is complete nonsense.
Saberestar wrote:Waylay13 wrote:Saberestar wrote:Not even close.
There are not star players in Europe anymore. In the past, EuroLeague teams had GREAT players in their prime, that is not the case anymore.
For example... Barcelona in 2002-03 had this starting five:
Jasikevicius, Navarro, Bodiroga, Fu^cka and Dueñas.
With Femerling, De la Fuente, Varejao and Rodriguez coming from the bench.
At least five players from that roster would have been in the NBA and not in Europe today. No way Bodiroga is not in the NBA in their prime in 2018.
Saberstar, question for you, who should we believe the the scouts like Givony who sees hundreds of games both in the US and Europe and gets paid for his basketball knowledge or you an educated basketball fan? I am sorry but I but I think I am going to go with Givony who calls Doncic the best player in this draft by far.
I would obviously recommend you to believe in Givony.
I agree with him regarding a lot of prospects and I am pretty sute that he knows more about basketball than me. He makes a great job describing and analizing players.
BUT I have my personal opinion about players and I do not agree with him about Doncic.
I think that he is a really good young player but I do not think he is BY FAR the best player in this draft.
He is not an Anthony Davis or LeBron...he has (for example) physical limitations that are gonna make him difficult to be a franchise player in the NBA.
Ayton, Trae, Doncic and Bagley are really close IMO. We can not know for sure who is gonna be the best of them in three years, it is so difficult to evaluate these players because are sooo young entering the NBA.
Kerrsed wrote:
Waylay13 wrote:Saberestar wrote:Waylay13 wrote:
Saberstar, question for you, who should we believe the the scouts like Givony who sees hundreds of games both in the US and Europe and gets paid for his basketball knowledge or you an educated basketball fan? I am sorry but I but I think I am going to go with Givony who calls Doncic the best player in this draft by far.
I would obviously recommend you to believe in Givony.
I agree with him regarding a lot of prospects and I am pretty sute that he knows more about basketball than me. He makes a great job describing and analizing players.
BUT I have my personal opinion about players and I do not agree with him about Doncic.
I think that he is a really good young player but I do not think he is BY FAR the best player in this draft.
He is not an Anthony Davis or LeBron...he has (for example) physical limitations that are gonna make him difficult to be a franchise player in the NBA.
Ayton, Trae, Doncic and Bagley are really close IMO. We can not know for sure who is gonna be the best of them in three years, it is so difficult to evaluate these players because are sooo young entering the NBA.
Of course I understand that non super athletic cant be super star players. To name a few of these non super athletic players that were non franchise player off the top of my head like Steve Nash, John Stockton, and Larry Bird. Heck would we call Draymond Green a non franchise player but I would say that he might be one of the biggest keys to them winning.
The next question is are we expecting our pick to be a franchise player or just an all star or someone who will help us win?
jredsaz wrote:Kerrsed wrote:
Shake Milton looks like he will be a good pro. Length and shooting. I like him a bunch.
juanc wrote:If you guys would have watched the game yesterday you would realize why Doncic had such a bad night. He was faceing one of the most motivated teams I have seen in a while. The have displayed one of the best defensive performances in recent euroleague history. Put that together with the atmosphere in OAKA and you see what happenes. No euroleague team could defeat Pao yesterday.