Has Rozier finally broken out or is it fools gold?

[claycarver]

I'm at the point where I'm already worrying about how much money it will cost to keep Scary Terry in Boston.

I'm not sure it's going to matter. By the time Terry's a restricted free agent, we'll definitely be in the tax with Kyrie's next contract. Ownership will match any Rozier offers unless he gets a really stupid offer, and those look to be dried up now.

[Fencer reregistered]

he is averaging those numbers in what 5 games? come on seriously let's get real with the idiotic statistics. He's growing but saying he makes a fraction of what those guys make is just plain stoopid.

Also I'm sure i can build a cluster of data analytics in which terry is only comparable with MJ and KB. this makes no practical sense at all.

You're quick in reply (if misguided therein). But wasn't the stat also thrown around this week that he was the first Celtic player on a rookie contract to score in double digits for 22 consecutive games--since Paul Pierce?

I think you're just making up some ridiculous standard to try to judge him against, for whatever reason.

Let's get soemthing clear. I absolutely love scary terry. yes? I'm just fed up with the recent trend of trying to cluster all players in a group of 'X player in question - scary Terry' and future HOFs - Lebron Durant etc . Honestly mate I'm a data scientist and this is absurd. I can do that for any given player. Anyone. The trick is to start filtering your data in such a way as to make sure that you are left in a small group of all-stars and your guy. I can probably do that with Jordan mickey too . ie add points rebounds assists with minimum cutoff Terry's numbers. Of course there's only a small group above that. The permutations are endless there's abound to be one solution to your problem that looks nice!

I did say he is growing and he is showing excellent potential. 1 month ago i said we could get an Oladipo breakout season from him. Love him. To bits.

But the statistics is just plain stoopid. He isn;t a bargain. He is a rookie. (logical fallacy). all rookies get bargain salaries.
The stats clustering makes no sense. This is all i am saying.

0. If we're going to cite credentials here, I have a PhD in a probability-related field (game theory) from a good university (Harvard). I am also credited by Spark's originators as a major contributor to its original popularization.

1. Most of your generalities are spot-on.

2. Unfortunately, you messed up a little when you wrote what I bolded. What you probably meant is something like:

-- All good rookies are bargains.
-- Rozier is a good rookie.
-- Therefore he is a bargain, and it is unremarkable that he is one.

Somehow, however, your wording got twisted up, and on a plain reading you seemed to almost be saying the opposite of that.

[BigShaq34]

eric bledsoe is a fool to be talking **** terry rozier is thoroughly outplaying him.

[ddb]

Terry Rozier is taking the Jimmy Butler path to stardom. People forget Jimmy was a late 1st rd pick who had to earn his way in Chicago. Rozier seems to be on that same path.

I feel like with a healthy squad next season the Celtics can win it all. I really do. So hopefully Danny isn't tempted into trading Rozier for a mid to late lottery pick....long term that might be a good play by Ainge, but losing Terry would really hurt. He has turned the corner and is a stud

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[Gant]

Terry Rozier is taking the Jimmy Butler path to stardom. People forget Jimmy was a late 1st rd pick who had to earn his way in Chicago. Rozier seems to be on that same path.

I feel like with a healthy squad next season the Celtics can win it all. I really do. So hopefully Danny isn't tempted into trading Rozier for a mid to late lottery pick....long term that might be a good play by Ainge, but losing Terry would really hurt. He has turned the corner and is a stud

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The Celtics probably will be clinging tightly on to Rozier at least until Kyrie's health is totally confirmed, and may be planning to keep Terry anyway as a core piece.

In other words, if Rozier is going out, someone great will be coming back.

[TheOGJabroni]

Terry Rozier is taking the Jimmy Butler path to stardom. People forget Jimmy was a late 1st rd pick who had to earn his way in Chicago. Rozier seems to be on that same path.

I feel like with a healthy squad next season the Celtics can win it all. I really do. So hopefully Danny isn't tempted into trading Rozier for a mid to late lottery pick....long term that might be a good play by Ainge, but losing Terry would really hurt. He has turned the corner and is a stud

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Do you think it would be that small of a return? I mean, that's where he was picked in his own draft and he actually panned out. I would hope the return would be greater than that IF they determine they need to move him.

[cloverleaf]

Terry Rozier is taking the Jimmy Butler path to stardom. People forget Jimmy was a late 1st rd pick who had to earn his way in Chicago. Rozier seems to be on that same path.

I feel like with a healthy squad next season the Celtics can win it all. I really do. So hopefully Danny isn't tempted into trading Rozier for a mid to late lottery pick....long term that might be a good play by Ainge, but losing Terry would really hurt. He has turned the corner and is a stud

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No chance Danny would be tempted by that.

[cloverleaf]

Terry Rozier is taking the Jimmy Butler path to stardom. People forget Jimmy was a late 1st rd pick who had to earn his way in Chicago. Rozier seems to be on that same path.

I feel like with a healthy squad next season the Celtics can win it all. I really do. So hopefully Danny isn't tempted into trading Rozier for a mid to late lottery pick....long term that might be a good play by Ainge, but losing Terry would really hurt. He has turned the corner and is a stud

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The Celtics probably will be clinging tightly on to Rozier at least until Kyrie's health is totally confirmed, and may be planning to keep Terry anyway as a core piece.

In other words, if Rozier is going out, someone great will be coming back.

I'll be shocked if TRo isn't here, on an early extension, next year.

[ddb]

Terry Rozier is taking the Jimmy Butler path to stardom. People forget Jimmy was a late 1st rd pick who had to earn his way in Chicago. Rozier seems to be on that same path.

I feel like with a healthy squad next season the Celtics can win it all. I really do. So hopefully Danny isn't tempted into trading Rozier for a mid to late lottery pick....long term that might be a good play by Ainge, but losing Terry would really hurt. He has turned the corner and is a stud

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The Celtics probably will be clinging tightly on to Rozier at least until Kyrie's health is totally confirmed, and may be planning to keep Terry anyway as a core piece.

In other words, if Rozier is going out, someone great will be coming back.

I'll be shocked if TRo isn't here, on an early extension, next year.

I'm with you. I absolutely want to see Terry here long-term. If Smart opts in to his QO that would be huge to get another season out of him before he moves on.

Rozier is going to be a major piece of this team regardless of starting VS coming off the bench

[youngjefe2]

This ain't no fools gold!

[Fencer reregistered]

Celtics current and future good players who there's an easy path toward keeping long-term include:

Horford
Tatum
Morris
Hayward
Brown
Smart
Rozier
Irving

Reasonably likely but less certain ones include:

Theis
whoever shows up with the Sac pick
whoever shows up with the Memphis pick
whoever you like among Yabu, Semi, Kadeem et al.

So a consolidation trade wouldn't be crazy, were an appealing one to become available.

But shipping Rozier out for a pick just to clear roster space/cap room seems pretty wasteful at this point. In particular, he seems to fit well into a "five-out" style of offense.

[Jakeopp]

If Rozier keeps balling out in the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised to see Danny sell high on him. We can't pay all these guys. I'd rather keep Smart anyways if Kyrie is healthy. Have to imagine that Rozier is looking for the opportunity to start somewhere. I can't see him coming off the bench behind Kyrie long term.

[wco81]

He'd have to give a home town discount, be willing to have a secondary role behind Kyrie.

Warriors offered Harrison Barnes 4/64 and he turned it down. He had a injury-plagued season and didn't play well in the playoffs and still got $20 million per.

Are there teams which would throw money at him to come and start for them?

Question is how much less would he take to stay with the team, because he thought he would be part of a multiple championship team.

Most players, especially those who haven't earned big money yet in their careers, will go for the money. If the Nets offered him $5 million more a year than the Celtics to start for them, he'd have to turn down $20 million over a 4-year contract to stay with Boston.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Rozier would get an easy 15+ starts a year for us on an extension— its a near lock that Kyrie is rested significantly going forward. Potentially even more if he’s the backup 2 guard.

It all comes down to whether Ainge ponies up, IMO.

[sam_I_am]

You're quick in reply (if misguided therein). But wasn't the stat also thrown around this week that he was the first Celtic player on a rookie contract to score in double digits for 22 consecutive games--since Paul Pierce?

I think you're just making up some ridiculous standard to try to judge him against, for whatever reason.

Let's get soemthing clear. I absolutely love scary terry. yes? I'm just fed up with the recent trend of trying to cluster all players in a group of 'X player in question - scary Terry' and future HOFs - Lebron Durant etc . Honestly mate I'm a data scientist and this is absurd. I can do that for any given player. Anyone. The trick is to start filtering your data in such a way as to make sure that you are left in a small group of all-stars and your guy. I can probably do that with Jordan mickey too . ie add points rebounds assists with minimum cutoff Terry's numbers. Of course there's only a small group above that. The permutations are endless there's abound to be one solution to your problem that looks nice!

I did say he is growing and he is showing excellent potential. 1 month ago i said we could get an Oladipo breakout season from him. Love him. To bits.

But the statistics is just plain stoopid. He isn;t a bargain. He is a rookie. (logical fallacy). all rookies get bargain salaries.
The stats clustering makes no sense. This is all i am saying.

0. If we're going to cite credentials here, I have a PhD in a probability-related field (game theory) from a good university (Harvard). I am also credited by Spark's originators as a major contributor to its original popularization.

1. Most of your generalities are spot-on.

2. Unfortunately, you messed up a little when you wrote what I bolded. What you probably meant is something like:

-- All good rookies are bargains.
-- Rozier is a good rookie.
-- Therefore he is a bargain, and it is unremarkable that he is one.

Somehow, however, your wording got twisted up, and on a plain reading you seemed to almost be saying the opposite of that.

Terry is playing like he is the 5th best pick in the draft and is a key starter on a top seeded playoff team. That makes him a hell of a bargain for a 16th pick.

[grindtime22]

If Rozier keeps balling out in the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised to see Danny sell high on him. We can't pay all these guys. I'd rather keep Smart anyways if Kyrie is healthy. Have to imagine that Rozier is looking for the opportunity to start somewhere. I can't see him coming off the bench behind Kyrie long term.

Yeah, it seems odd that people think he is almost sure to be here in the future. My first inclination is that Ainge will be looking to move him if his entire playoffs is this successful. Sure, if you can get him on a reasonable extension, that would be a good thing. With that said, every one of these performances makes a reasonable contract less likely

We could keep him for next season for a title run, but I think we have to continue to think long term at this point. If we want this window to stay open for a long time, we have to continue to be forward thinking. We can't just let good assets expire (without cap space benefits). If we had a veteran team with window worries, the thinking might be different.

[LobCityRondo2KG]

Don't think he moves Rozier just yet.. He has one more year on his deal.. We would still have S&T options during his FA summer if it came to trading him.. I think we match an offer for him too

[24istheLAW]

One little thing I loved about Terry in Game 2 - in the past he's struggled with attacking the rim out of control, and ending up sprawled over on the floor/in situations where the other team has numbers going the other way. The way he took care of the ball last night, it wasn't just that he didn't turn it over. He made safe decisions on offense, that kept the ball in the halfcourt, and didn't give MIL any of those races up the court that they live off of.

[cloverleaf]

One little thing I loved about Terry in Game 2 - in the past he's struggled with attacking the rim out of control, and ending up sprawled over on the floor/in situations where the other team has numbers going the other way. The way he took care of the ball last night, it wasn't just that he didn't turn it over. He made safe decisions on offense, that kept the ball in the halfcourt, and didn't give MIL any of those races up the court that they live off of.

Yeah, TRo needs to finish better at the rim. But he has always had very low TO numbers.

[GregB]

The Celtics probably will be clinging tightly on to Rozier at least until Kyrie's health is totally confirmed, and may be planning to keep Terry anyway as a core piece.

In other words, if Rozier is going out, someone great will be coming back.

I'll be shocked if TRo isn't here, on an early extension, next year.

I'm with you. I absolutely want to see Terry here long-term. If Smart opts in to his QO that would be huge to get another season out of him before he moves on.

Rozier is going to be a major piece of this team regardless of starting VS coming off the bench

It’s all about TRo , if he will sign 12-14 mil per I could see us resigning him. But I also see scenarios where we sign Smart for 8-10 mil and trade Terry.