Kings Off-Season

[blind prophet]

I'm not entirely sure Koufos & Temple opt in. I see Temple more likely to opt in because the relationship he has with our young guys. I follow most of them on Insta and he seems to really like being a mentor and a good locker room leader.

Koufos however is 29 going on 40. I could see him decide to opt out and head somewhere to truly win. Hes made enough money to support his lifestyle forever. Hes also played on some good teams in his days, maybe he opts out and moves 2 hours away to the bay. Koufos would definitely be an upgrade to Zaza and the Warriors could do worse.

Maybe we use that 2nd to move on from Randolph or Shumps last year?

If only outsourcing salary was that cheap!

No takers for that second for either one.

But it is possible that Shump & Randolph can take us a bit higher at least while they are here. Sure I'd rather not have them on that salary, but without the pick may as well press.

My thought is maybe someone misses on free agents, looks at Zachs ability to score in the paint and decided to give it a go. I'd probably take back some bad pg getting paid 6 million. A shelvin mack or dj Augustine

Now that I think about it more, at the deadline it probably will be possible to try and negotiate some. I think it would be hard to do in the off season though.

[kingjawn100]

For anyone watching the Bucks-Celtics series Jabari Parker seems to be costing himself a LOT of money right now. It's still early but he hasn't been good on offense and seems pretty disinterested. Even worse...he seems completely inept on D. Not sure Parker on a max is something the Kings should be pursuing.

[BoogieTime]

For anyone watching the Bucks-Celtics series Jabari Parker seems to be costing himself a LOT of money right now. It's still early but he hasn't been good on offense and seems pretty disinterested. Even worse...he seems completely inept on D. Not sure Parker on a max is something the Kings should be pursuing.

Who would’ve pursued that? Fully healthy he’s a tweener who excels on one side of the ball. With injuries he’d be questionable at 3/30 and not something I’d pursue. Not that big on Hezonja but I’d rather him making equal money to Jabari

[kingjawn100]

For anyone watching the Bucks-Celtics series Jabari Parker seems to be costing himself a LOT of money right now. It's still early but he hasn't been good on offense and seems pretty disinterested. Even worse...he seems completely inept on D. Not sure Parker on a max is something the Kings should be pursuing.

Who would’ve pursued that? Fully healthy he’s a tweener who excels on one side of the ball. With injuries he’d be questionable at 3/30 and not something I’d pursue. Not that big on Hezonja but I’d rather him making equal money to Jabari

He's looking for a max this offseason. Neither Parker nor Hezonja play very good D. Parker being better on offense and Hezonja less injury history and presumably cheaper. i might be more inclined to look at someone like Trevor Ariza on a 2-year this summer. He's older but could help stabilize that position.

[kingjawn100]

Parker
GAME 1: 14 MINS, 2 PTS, 1/5 FG
GAME 2: 10 MINS, 0 PTS, 0/2 FG

He's barely even in the rotation at this point. You wonder how much of an effort the bucks will even make to retain him.

[Sactowndog]

One interesting note...Kings insider James Ham thinks it's highly unlikely that this year's 2nd round pick will be on our roster. More than likely we trade that pick. Maybe it helps us move up this year, maybe it nets us another 2019 2nd rounder with hopes we can trade both 2nds to get into the end of the 2019 1st round. They could also draft and stash this year (Okobo?).

Point being that assuming we don't blow up the team this summer we don't really have roster space for our second rounder and we don't really need another young player on the team.

Sounds about right. There is always the unexpected but if this is right then you start doing the #s game in your head.

We have 10 guaranteed contracts next year (PGs - Fox, Mason, SGs - BB, Heild, SF - JJ, PFs - Skal, Zach, Hayes, C - Giles, WCS)

We have 3 options (C - KK, G - Temple, Wing - Shump)

We have 2 guys that may be brought into camp( PF - Cooley, F - Sampson)

With our 1st pick that is 11 guaranteed contracts, could be 14 if everyone opts in. If we don't have room for a 2nd then we maybe looking at adding one player in particular in FA.

I don’t think Hayes is guaranteed. If we don’t have room for our 2nd round pick we should do what the Celtics do and sign them to a 2 way contract with Stockton.

[Sactowndog]

But you've gotta remember...Sacramento has a lot of money to spend and id say there's a 99% chance they sign at minimum 2 guys in free agency (when's the last time any team has added 1 or 0 players via free agency?)

Maybe Nigel would be on a 2-way contract but he didn't show me a whole lot to earn anything more than maybe a 2-way contract. He played ok on defense vs 3 tanking teams but the sad thing is that seems to be enough for kings fans to get excited about. 3 for 17 shooting in three games is just awful.

He showed enough for them to pick up the small option on his deal.

I definitely disagree they have to sign more than one FA because we have a solid group that we wanna roll with and are developing in. I think the !st round pick and a select FA makes much more sense as the addition.

i guess i just don't see this current roster ever becoming a deep playoff run type of team.
Assuming everyone opts in and we draft a big, these are the additions i see us making

-STARTING SF (At this point Jackson would look much better as a backup than starter)
-BACKUP PG (this could be a guy to push Mason for primary backup minutes or just another body for depth)
-Potentially 1 more

While it's hard as fans to see how an organization would lose confidence in a young player after just 1 year, we have highly paid coaches who see these guys all year in games and practices who should be able to determine what type of players they'll turn into. You can't just waste year after year hoping a player will develop. Our guys should know right now IF they'll develop.

I think 1 free agent (likely Hezonja) is likely for next year. Maybe we pursue Parker instead if we draft Mikal Bridges.

We need 2 way players with more potential, ideally we draft Bonga with our 2nd round pick and make him our 2 way and then sign William McDowell White as a free agent 2 way player.

[Sactowndog]

Parker
GAME 1: 14 MINS, 2 PTS, 1/5 FG
GAME 2: 10 MINS, 0 PTS, 0/2 FG

He's barely even in the rotation at this point. You wonder how much of an effort the bucks will even make to retain him.

They won’t. He’s gone it’s just a matter of to where.

[benchmobbin02]

One interesting note...Kings insider James Ham thinks it's highly unlikely that this year's 2nd round pick will be on our roster. More than likely we trade that pick. Maybe it helps us move up this year, maybe it nets us another 2019 2nd rounder with hopes we can trade both 2nds to get into the end of the 2019 1st round. They could also draft and stash this year (Okobo?).

Point being that assuming we don't blow up the team this summer we don't really have roster space for our second rounder and we don't really need another young player on the team.

Sounds about right. There is always the unexpected but if this is right then you start doing the #s game in your head.

We have 10 guaranteed contracts next year (PGs - Fox, Mason, SGs - BB, Heild, SF - JJ, PFs - Skal, Zach, Hayes, C - Giles, WCS)

We have 3 options (C - KK, G - Temple, Wing - Shump)

We have 2 guys that may be brought into camp( PF - Cooley, F - Sampson)

With our 1st pick that is 11 guaranteed contracts, could be 14 if everyone opts in. If we don't have room for a 2nd then we maybe looking at adding one player in particular in FA.

I don’t think Hayes is guaranteed. If we don’t have room for our 2nd round pick we should do what the Celtics do and sign them to a 2 way contract with Stockton.

This was pointed out 10 days ago, when I made the comment.

[kalenclayton]

Parker
GAME 1: 14 MINS, 2 PTS, 1/5 FG
GAME 2: 10 MINS, 0 PTS, 0/2 FG

He's barely even in the rotation at this point. You wonder how much of an effort the bucks will even make to retain him.

They won’t. He’s gone it’s just a matter of to where.

If we can get him on a 1+1TO at $40million ($20m per), I will be ecstatic. That’s a prove it contract and it gives us flexibility if it doesn’t work out. I have a feeling we get our bid for that though. I really like Jabari and I think he’s just in a bad stretch right now. He’s proven that he’s a great talent with star upside in the past. I really think he should be a target and he fits right in with the team.

[SacKingZZZ]

One interesting note...Kings insider James Ham thinks it's highly unlikely that this year's 2nd round pick will be on our roster. More than likely we trade that pick. Maybe it helps us move up this year, maybe it nets us another 2019 2nd rounder with hopes we can trade both 2nds to get into the end of the 2019 1st round. They could also draft and stash this year (Okobo?).

Point being that assuming we don't blow up the team this summer we don't really have roster space for our second rounder and we don't really need another young player on the team.

Sounds about right. There is always the unexpected but if this is right then you start doing the #s game in your head.

We have 10 guaranteed contracts next year (PGs - Fox, Mason, SGs - BB, Heild, SF - JJ, PFs - Skal, Zach, Hayes, C - Giles, WCS)

We have 3 options (C - KK, G - Temple, Wing - Shump)

We have 2 guys that may be brought into camp( PF - Cooley, F - Sampson)

With our 1st pick that is 11 guaranteed contracts, could be 14 if everyone opts in. If we don't have room for a 2nd then we maybe looking at adding one player in particular in FA.

I don’t think Hayes is guaranteed. If we don’t have room for our 2nd round pick we should do what the Celtics do and sign them to a 2 way contract with Stockton.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up that option from Hayes. Kayte mentioned the Kings have been looking at his development all year and him signing on wasn't some spur of the moment thing. James Ham predicted the Kings move that 2nd rounder and I could see them going for cash and a future 2nd if the 2nd round looks as shallow as it does on paper. The only players I like that might be 2nd to undrafted are Bonzie Colson, his teammate Matt Farrell, Rawle Alkins, Moritz Wagner, and a few others if I search deeper, but most of them play positions the Kings don't really need filled.

[kingjawn100]

Sounds about right. There is always the unexpected but if this is right then you start doing the #s game in your head.

We have 10 guaranteed contracts next year (PGs - Fox, Mason, SGs - BB, Heild, SF - JJ, PFs - Skal, Zach, Hayes, C - Giles, WCS)

We have 3 options (C - KK, G - Temple, Wing - Shump)

We have 2 guys that may be brought into camp( PF - Cooley, F - Sampson)

With our 1st pick that is 11 guaranteed contracts, could be 14 if everyone opts in. If we don't have room for a 2nd then we maybe looking at adding one player in particular in FA.

I don’t think Hayes is guaranteed. If we don’t have room for our 2nd round pick we should do what the Celtics do and sign them to a 2 way contract with Stockton.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up that option from Hayes. Kayte mentioned the Kings have been looking at his development all year and him signing on wasn't some spur of the moment thing. James Ham predicted the Kings move that 2nd rounder and I could see them going for cash and a future 2nd if the 2nd round looks as shallow as it does on paper. The only players I like that might be 2nd to undrafted are Bonzie Colson, his teammate Matt Farrell, Rawle Alkins, Moritz Wagner, and a few others if I search deeper, but most of them play positions the Kings don't really need filled.

i don't see where the Nigel Hayes excitement is coming from. I realize from our ineptitude it doesn't take much to excite kings fans but this is a guy that 3 other teams gave up on this year...a guy who shot 8 for 28 in his 5 games with Sac.

[kingjawn100]

Parker
GAME 1: 14 MINS, 2 PTS, 1/5 FG
GAME 2: 10 MINS, 0 PTS, 0/2 FG

He's barely even in the rotation at this point. You wonder how much of an effort the bucks will even make to retain him.

They won’t. He’s gone it’s just a matter of to where.

If we can get him on a 1+1TO at $40million ($20m per), I will be ecstatic. That’s a prove it contract and it gives us flexibility if it doesn’t work out. I have a feeling we get our bid for that though. I really like Jabari and I think he’s just in a bad stretch right now. He’s proven that he’s a great talent with star upside in the past. I really think he should be a target and he fits right in with the team.

The scary part though is defense...you're basically making one of the worst defenses in the NBA even worse.

[benchmobbin02]

I don’t think Hayes is guaranteed. If we don’t have room for our 2nd round pick we should do what the Celtics do and sign them to a 2 way contract with Stockton.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up that option from Hayes. Kayte mentioned the Kings have been looking at his development all year and him signing on wasn't some spur of the moment thing. James Ham predicted the Kings move that 2nd rounder and I could see them going for cash and a future 2nd if the 2nd round looks as shallow as it does on paper. The only players I like that might be 2nd to undrafted are Bonzie Colson, his teammate Matt Farrell, Rawle Alkins, Moritz Wagner, and a few others if I search deeper, but most of them play positions the Kings don't really need filled.

i don't see where the Nigel Hayes excitement is coming from. I realize from our ineptitude it doesn't take much to excite kings fans but this is a guy that 3 other teams gave up on this year...a guy who shot 8 for 28 in his 5 games with Sac.

It's not excitement like we think he is gonna start or something. Just think he is worth taking a shot on for the small amount we have slotted to him and if he can provide what is within his skill set it will be worth it.

[kingjawn100]

another name to keep an eye on this summer is Derrick Favors (unrestricted). He has been playing really well as of late and could beef up our frontcourt. He was drafted 2 spots ahead of Demarcus...hasn't really lived up to those expectations but he's solid nonetheless.

A good guy to throw our money/a long-term contract at if we draft small forward. He does everything well without needing to be 'the guy'. To me this makes a lot more sense than breaking the bank for Parker. I wouldn't be mad at a lineup of...

C-WCS
PF - FAVORS
SF - MPJ
SG- BOGI
PG - FOX
BENCH: BUDDY, JACKSON, MASON, GILES, KOUFOS, TEMPLE, CHEAP FA PG and trading Skal.

[Sactowndog]

another name to keep an eye on this summer is Derrick Favors (unrestricted). He has been playing really well as of late and could beef up our frontcourt. He was drafted 2 spots ahead of Demarcus...hasn't really lived up to those expectations but he's solid nonetheless.

A good guy to throw our money/a long-term contract at if we draft small forward. He does everything well without needing to be 'the guy'. To me this makes a lot more sense than breaking the bank for Parker. I wouldn't be mad at a lineup of...

C-WCS
PF - FAVORS
SF - MPJ
SG- BOGI
PG - FOX
BENCH: BUDDY, JACKSON, MASON, GILES, KOUFOS, TEMPLE, CHEAP FA PG and trading Skal.

If you trade anyone it’s WCS. His unwillingness to kick out the ball is one reason the Kings were near the bottom in 3 point attempts.

[Sactowndog]

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up that option from Hayes. Kayte mentioned the Kings have been looking at his development all year and him signing on wasn't some spur of the moment thing. James Ham predicted the Kings move that 2nd rounder and I could see them going for cash and a future 2nd if the 2nd round looks as shallow as it does on paper. The only players I like that might be 2nd to undrafted are Bonzie Colson, his teammate Matt Farrell, Rawle Alkins, Moritz Wagner, and a few others if I search deeper, but most of them play positions the Kings don't really need filled.

i don't see where the Nigel Hayes excitement is coming from. I realize from our ineptitude it doesn't take much to excite kings fans but this is a guy that 3 other teams gave up on this year...a guy who shot 8 for 28 in his 5 games with Sac.

It's not excitement like we think he is gonna start or something. Just think he is worth taking a shot on for the small amount we have slotted to him and if he can provide what is within his skill set it will be worth it.

I’d rather sign Nadar when Boston cuts him.

[benchmobbin02]

i don't see where the Nigel Hayes excitement is coming from. I realize from our ineptitude it doesn't take much to excite kings fans but this is a guy that 3 other teams gave up on this year...a guy who shot 8 for 28 in his 5 games with Sac.

It's not excitement like we think he is gonna start or something. Just think he is worth taking a shot on for the small amount we have slotted to him and if he can provide what is within his skill set it will be worth it.

I’d rather sign Nadar when Boston cuts him.

Doubt Boston cuts him and I don't see him as a much better player anyways.

[Sactowndog]

It's not excitement like we think he is gonna start or something. Just think he is worth taking a shot on for the small amount we have slotted to him and if he can provide what is within his skill set it will be worth it.

I’d rather sign Nadar when Boston cuts him.

Doubt Boston cuts him and I don't see him as a much better player anyways.

Yeah who do you think gets cut over him on Boston’s roster when draft picks and injured players start coming back?

[SacKingZZZ]

I don’t think Hayes is guaranteed. If we don’t have room for our 2nd round pick we should do what the Celtics do and sign them to a 2 way contract with Stockton.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up that option from Hayes. Kayte mentioned the Kings have been looking at his development all year and him signing on wasn't some spur of the moment thing. James Ham predicted the Kings move that 2nd rounder and I could see them going for cash and a future 2nd if the 2nd round looks as shallow as it does on paper. The only players I like that might be 2nd to undrafted are Bonzie Colson, his teammate Matt Farrell, Rawle Alkins, Moritz Wagner, and a few others if I search deeper, but most of them play positions the Kings don't really need filled.

i don't see where the Nigel Hayes excitement is coming from. I realize from our ineptitude it doesn't take much to excite kings fans but this is a guy that 3 other teams gave up on this year...a guy who shot 8 for 28 in his 5 games with Sac.

Personally I like Hayes, I wanted the Kings to draft him. It comes from him being one of the only players that fits into the system they are trying to commit to. It's not always what you see directly that matters. He is a very smart player who knows about all the nuances that make Joergers offense and defense run. He picked up Joergers system in like 3 days and was in better position as a screener, help defender, and floor spreader than someone like Skal has been all year. Skal is more the type of player that positions himself to score, Hayes will position himself to create options for his teammates. I do think when he gets more comfortable them finding better shots for him will be much easier and he'll hit more. Just think about the circumstances here, the shots didn't go in, but how many bad shots did he take? I like him as a prospect outside of Dave Joergers system but he can be that role player rock for Joerger on the floor if they give him the chance.