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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1681 » by Kolkmania » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:08 pm

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Not in the camp that thinks the kid is done. But yeah with Simmons and Embiid clicking I don't think they'll have the patience to wait for Fultz to pan out. Especially with colangelo on the helm. No reason the trade fultz but all his projections was assuming as he's the main guy. Feel bad for the kid with his opportunity. Definitely not with the $$$ though :lol:


He was actually projected to be complementary piece next to Simmons and Embiid as a floor spacer and someone who could create his own shot in the final seconds of a shot clock. By no means the "main piece" of this roster.

Not sure why Fultz is "cooked" because Brett Brown opts for a more experienced point guard in an extremely physical PO in his rookie year (and having just 10 games of experience in the NBA). Him getting his shot back over the next (two) summer(s) will dictate whether he'll have a role in Philly as a starting guard.


The fact that Fultz needs to prove and get his shot back to have a starting role with the 76ers roster is a bad outlook. Colangelo paid a ton to get him in a draft class that has shown one of the best in this era. IMO Fultz will be a starter, but how he'll keep that will be dictated by his development.


Oh absolutely, a player who suddenly forgets how to shoot while creating shots for himself is never ideal. Agree with all the things you said, his development will dictate his future impact and therefore stating that he's already "cooked" is weird.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1682 » by Moose23 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:12 pm

Anyone else wish that Embiid would just shut the **** up?

He hasn't done anything yet, he hasn't earned the right to talk.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1683 » by truth18 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:23 pm

Moose23 wrote:Anyone else wish that Embiid would just shut the **** up?

He hasn't done anything yet, he hasn't earned the right to talk.


You became a Celtics fan this year after switching teams.

Have you done anything yet?

Have you earned the right to talk?

See how **** stupid this is?
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Post#1684 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:30 pm

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He was actually projected to be complementary piece next to Simmons and Embiid as a floor spacer and someone who could create his own shot in the final seconds of a shot clock. By no means the "main piece" of this roster.

Not sure why Fultz is "cooked" because Brett Brown opts for a more experienced point guard in an extremely physical PO in his rookie year (and having just 10 games of experience in the NBA). Him getting his shot back over the next (two) summer(s) will dictate whether he'll have a role in Philly as a starting guard.


Hes cooked because he looks like **** and has been getting worse. Ive watched him play, I want him to be good and im not viewing him through 76ers-colored glasses. People were fooled because he stat-padded against Brandon Jennings for a triple double. Im not.

Im sorry that reading a negative opinion about Fultz upsets you.


How has he been getting worse, he has looked gradually more comfortable on the court since he came back. The stat padding against the Bucks was fun, but doesn't really say anything imo. That Fultz is a non-factor in the PO as the lead ball handler with 10 NBA games in his bag doesn't mean he's cooked imo. We'll see how he improves this summer and if he can get his shot back.

Not my purpose to start a back-and-forth, but my point is basically that nobody expected him to be better than Simmons and/or Embiid and therefore a complementary piece, although an elite one.


He’s progressively playing less, still cant shoot and is beginning to look more frenetic out there. I mean, are we seriously arguing he’s looked better?

Hes not definitively cooked— he just looks bad right now. Really bad, in fact. If Philly signs a max FA this summer, what will he develop into when he’s the fourth/fifth option (at best)? If he cant shoot, how can you play him with Simmons (or Simmons and LeBron)? Its just really not looking good for him right now.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1685 » by truth18 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:34 pm

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I thought it was relatively well established that Brad doesn't want to coach Boogie...?

This.

There were reports that Ainge actually asked Stevens if he would coach Cousins last year before the Kings traded him to the Pelicans, and Stevens rejected the idea. That was why we didn't even really make a real play for him.


I'm not arguing with you at all, but are there legitimate reports stating that really happened? I remember hearing the same thing at the time I just don't remember if they were "take with a grain of salt" takes or if they were reported from an actual reputable and legitimate source.....

A) I would be really surprised if Brad had that strong of feelings about not coaching him and
B) Even if he did, Brad doesn't seem to be the type of guy to either back away from a challenge or let his own personal feelings about a particular player get in the way of the job especially when it involves a great talent like Cousins.


Cousins will never be a part of this organization.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1686 » by 2Mas » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:11 pm

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Baller1234a wrote:Horford + SAC pick for Cousins?

Gets us our franchise level big that could match up with (and best) Embiid we solve the salary cap concerns by consolidating and I believe Brad will make Cousins follow the System.

Kyrie Brown Hayward Tatum Cousins


Nahh...

Tbh, I think NOP needs a legit SF not Cousins back. Mirotic and Davis are a match made in heaven. They need a legit SF, who can score a bit and defend at an above average level. I'd say maybe Wilson Chandler- he will be available- probably for the cheap. He can defend and shoot the 3.

NO will need Cousins back.

For the record I'd pick Port to lose any first round match up. They're just not very good.

So the Pels can cruise now sure. But 2nd round vs Gsw? They'd need Boogie. Draymond can't handle him. When that game gets tight. Even if he's not your #1 option. When Davis & Jrue go to the bench. Being able to run a Rondo Boogie pnr or a Boogie post up is beyond valuable. Boogie a top tier big nmw how you look at it.

If Chandler can go there for the MLE? Dope. But they'll have $0 to spend on anyone besides the mle.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1687 » by Valid » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:11 pm

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I thought it was relatively well established that Brad doesn't want to coach Boogie...?

This.

There were reports that Ainge actually asked Stevens if he would coach Cousins last year before the Kings traded him to the Pelicans, and Stevens rejected the idea. That was why we didn't even really make a real play for him.


I'm not arguing with you at all, but are there legitimate reports stating that really happened? I remember hearing the same thing at the time I just don't remember if they were "take with a grain of salt" takes or if they were reported from an actual reputable and legitimate source.....

A) I would be really surprised if Brad had that strong of feelings about not coaching him and
B) Even if he did, Brad doesn't seem to be the type of guy to either back away from a challenge or let his own personal feelings about a particular player get in the way of the job especially when it involves a great talent like Cousins.

Well, put it this way: the Celtics absolutely, positively could have beaten the package the Pelicans gave the Kings for Cousins without even surrendering that many assets. The fact that Ainge didn't even seem to make an effort to acquire Cousins validates those reports.

Of course, we'll never know for sure what really happened, but those reports seem pretty realistic given what transpired.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1688 » by Valid » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:16 pm

2Mas wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
Baller1234a wrote:Horford + SAC pick for Cousins?

Gets us our franchise level big that could match up with (and best) Embiid we solve the salary cap concerns by consolidating and I believe Brad will make Cousins follow the System.

Kyrie Brown Hayward Tatum Cousins


Nahh...

Tbh, I think NOP needs a legit SF not Cousins back. Mirotic and Davis are a match made in heaven. They need a legit SF, who can score a bit and defend at an above average level. I'd say maybe Wilson Chandler- he will be available- probably for the cheap. He can defend and shoot the 3.

NO will need Cousins back.

For the record I'd pick Port to lose any first round match up. They're just not very good.

So the Pels can cruise now sure. But 2nd round vs Gsw? They'd need Boogie. Draymond can't handle him. When that game gets tight. Even if he's not your #1 option. When Davis & Jrue go to the bench. Being able to run a Rondo Boogie pnr or a Boogie post up is beyond valuable. Boogie a top tier big nmw how you look at it.

If Chandler can go there for the MLE? Dope. But they'll have $0 to spend on anyone besides the mle.

Yeah. New Orleans is looking great against Portland, but the Blazers don't have all that much outside of Lillard and McCollum. Guys like Nurkic, Aminu, etc. are nice players, but they're hardly world beaters.

I can't see the Pelicans doing much against the Warriors. They might be able to steal a game before Curry gets back, but once Steph is back in that lineup, it's over. Having Cousins would definitely change things. They could roll with an AD/Cousins lineup and then stagger the two throughout the game and bring in Mirotic for floor spacing. Not saying they would beat the Warriors with Cousins, but they would certainly have a better chance than they do now.

Of course, Achilles injuries are no joke, so we'll see how Cousins fares when he gets back next year. But yeah. A healthy Boogie absolutely changes things for New Orleans.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1689 » by GoCeltics123 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:55 pm



New Game of Zones. Not as funny as the others but pretty funny. Bledsoe mention.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1690 » by Moose23 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:57 pm

truth18 wrote:
Moose23 wrote:Anyone else wish that Embiid would just shut the **** up?

He hasn't done anything yet, he hasn't earned the right to talk.


You became a Celtics fan this year after switching teams.

Have you done anything yet?

Have you earned the right to talk?

See how **** stupid this is?


no, it isn't stupid at all.

He is very self entitled, If Cousins said this alot of people would be **** all over him.

Me coming becoming a Celtics fan this year is not true. I came to this board, always liked and rooted for Celtics, as I previously stated, since I started watching Basketball as a child with my Grandfather.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1691 » by truth18 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:03 pm

Moose23 wrote:
truth18 wrote:
Moose23 wrote:Anyone else wish that Embiid would just shut the **** up?

He hasn't done anything yet, he hasn't earned the right to talk.


You became a Celtics fan this year after switching teams.

Have you done anything yet?

Have you earned the right to talk?

See how **** stupid this is?


no, it isn't stupid at all.

He is very self entitled, If Cousins said this alot of people would be **** all over him.

Me coming becoming a Celtics fan this year is not true. I came to this board, always liked and rooted for Celtics, as I previously stated, since I started watching Basketball as a child with my Grandfather.


You made an entire thread about switching from being a Raptors fan to a Celtics fan, in the thread you implied you were a Bulls fan until MJ retired or something.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1629902&p=59685077#p59685077

I never saw you once on this board previously.

Cousins has never even been in the playoffs. He has never had the opportunity with the media because he was never there.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1692 » by Moose23 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:17 pm

truth18 wrote:
Moose23 wrote:
truth18 wrote:
You became a Celtics fan this year after switching teams.

Have you done anything yet?

Have you earned the right to talk?

See how **** stupid this is?


no, it isn't stupid at all.

He is very self entitled, If Cousins said this alot of people would be **** all over him.

Me coming becoming a Celtics fan this year is not true. I came to this board, always liked and rooted for Celtics, as I previously stated, since I started watching Basketball as a child with my Grandfather.


You made an entire thread about switching from being a Raptors fan to a Celtics fan, in the thread you implied you were a Bulls fan until MJ retired or something.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1629902&p=59685077#p59685077

I never saw you once on this board previously.

Cousins has never even been in the playoffs. He has never had the opportunity with the media because he was never there.


because I wasnt on this board does not equate to me not being a fan of a team.

But yeah, semantics.


Doesnt matter if it was playoffs or not, if Cousins said what Embiid has been saying media would be eating him alive as being an ****.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1693 » by truth18 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:20 pm

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truth18 wrote:
Moose23 wrote:
no, it isn't stupid at all.

He is very self entitled, If Cousins said this alot of people would be **** all over him.

Me coming becoming a Celtics fan this year is not true. I came to this board, always liked and rooted for Celtics, as I previously stated, since I started watching Basketball as a child with my Grandfather.


You made an entire thread about switching from being a Raptors fan to a Celtics fan, in the thread you implied you were a Bulls fan until MJ retired or something.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1629902&p=59685077#p59685077

I never saw you once on this board previously.

Cousins has never even been in the playoffs. He has never had the opportunity with the media because he was never there.


because I wasnt on this board does not equate to me not being a fan of a team.

But yeah, semantics.


Doesnt matter if it was playoffs or not, if Cousins said what Embiid has been saying media would be eating him alive as being an ****.


Maybe that's because Embiid isn't some ass hole that most people dislike.

But its not, its because Embiid actually put himself in a position to say this **** within his first few years in the league. Cousins had to have Rondo and AD drag him to the playoffs and he's not even available regardless.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1694 » by Valid » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:32 pm

Max Kellerman just said Anthony Davis is the "best power forward he's ever seen." Uh, Max, AD is fantastic and all, but there are two guys named Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan who would beg to differ with you.

Hot takes in sports media are getting worse and worse.
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Post#1695 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:44 pm

Valid wrote:Max Kellerman just said Anthony Davis is the "best power forward he's ever seen." Uh, Max, AD is fantastic and all, but there are two guys named Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan who would beg to differ with you.

Hot takes in sports media are getting worse and worse.


Yeah, due to the fact that sports news is everywhere you go, the media has now evolved into "Who said it first?", which leads to guys like Kellerman and Nick Wright crowning guys prematurely, just so they can boast about having said it first. Here's the problem with that - it then leads to confirmation bias, especially with Nick Wright, who will continuously move the goal posts so long as the arguments back up his statement that Lebron is better than Jordan.

Eddie Johnson has the best way to look at things - he won't compare the careers of any player until that player actually retires first. Gotta take the whole body of work into consideration rather than just comparing snapshots. How about we let Anthony Davis get out of the **** first round first before we anoint him as the greatest PF of all time.
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Post#1696 » by truth18 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:00 pm

Valid wrote:Max Kellerman just said Anthony Davis is the "best power forward he's ever seen." Uh, Max, AD is fantastic and all, but there are two guys named Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan who would beg to differ with you.

Hot takes in sports media are getting worse and worse.


Dirk too.
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Post#1697 » by Moose23 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:02 pm

truth18 wrote:
Moose23 wrote:
truth18 wrote:
You made an entire thread about switching from being a Raptors fan to a Celtics fan, in the thread you implied you were a Bulls fan until MJ retired or something.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1629902&p=59685077#p59685077

I never saw you once on this board previously.

Cousins has never even been in the playoffs. He has never had the opportunity with the media because he was never there.


because I wasnt on this board does not equate to me not being a fan of a team.

But yeah, semantics.


Doesnt matter if it was playoffs or not, if Cousins said what Embiid has been saying media would be eating him alive as being an ****.


Maybe that's because Embiid isn't some ass hole that most people dislike.

But its not, its because Embiid actually put himself in a position to say this **** within his first few years in the league. Cousins had to have Rondo and AD drag him to the playoffs and he's not even available regardless.



And Embiid is the only reason Philly is in the playoffs?

Simmons, etc have nothing to do with that? How was his playoff performances last season? What his teams record this year without him? 11-8?

He hasnt done enough to run his mouth like he is.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1698 » by traax » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:50 pm

Moose23 wrote:Anyone else wish that Embiid would just shut the **** up?

He hasn't done anything yet, he hasn't earned the right to talk.



Once again, what is your point? Besides of Kyrie, nobody on the Celtics roster has "accomplished" anything yet if I follow your definition and some of our guys also like to talk some crap. Everyone complains about the soft buddy mentality in the NBA and when one confident guy, who can back it up, opens his mouth it is a bad thing? Man, you are definitely an ex raptors fan.
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Post#1699 » by Moose23 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:35 pm

traax wrote:
Moose23 wrote:Anyone else wish that Embiid would just shut the **** up?

He hasn't done anything yet, he hasn't earned the right to talk.



Once again, what is your point? Besides of Kyrie, nobody on the Celtics roster has "accomplished" anything yet if I follow your definition and some of our guys also like to talk some crap. Everyone complains about the soft buddy mentality in the NBA and when one confident guy, who can back it up, opens his mouth it is a bad thing? Man, you are definitely an ex raptors fan.
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Re: Around the NBA 2018 (Non-Celtics Talk) 

Post#1700 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:18 pm

Nothing would satisfy me more than beating the Sixers in round 2. Embiid is a very easy guy to want to see fail..and Simmons has the most punchable face in the league. I hope we smash those 2 in the playoffs for the next 5 years.
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