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[BeesWax]

Are you seriously trying to say that what they’ve accomplished isn’t sustainable for a very long time?

No, that wasn't what I was saying or trying to say.

The “culture of losing” they developed (that everyone here treats like the plague) has already been erased. And they’ve already built an environment that almost every team is envious of: a positive outlook and future and the start of potential long term dominance. I’d take that “culture” over what has been built here.

But maybe that’s just me

So then the argument is that team culture isn't important, and can be infused once a team starts winning, even if you have to wholesale turnover your roster to do it.

The only starter who either wasn't drafted by or hasn't been with the team for at least 3 years prior to this season is Redick. They didn't whole sale turnover their roster to do it. They built it organically with guys who want to win and have a high drive to get there. If you draft well even if you are losing your guys are fighting to get better because they want to win. Playing young guys results in losses as they learn but doesn't result in lack of effort if you do not let it.

[fatlever]

Stevens and Spoelstra are **** witches.

[yosemiteben]

Are you seriously trying to say that what they’ve accomplished isn’t sustainable for a very long time?

No, that wasn't what I was saying or trying to say.

The “culture of losing” they developed (that everyone here treats like the plague) has already been erased. And they’ve already built an environment that almost every team is envious of: a positive outlook and future and the start of potential long term dominance. I’d take that “culture” over what has been built here.

But maybe that’s just me

So then the argument is that team culture isn't important, and can be infused once a team starts winning, even if you have to wholesale turnover your roster to do it.

The only starter who either wasn't drafted by or hasn't been with the team for at least 3 years prior to this season is Redick. They didn't whole sale turnover their roster to do it. They built it organically with guys who want to win and have a high drive to get there.

How many guys in the current rotation were on the roster at the beginning of the 2015-16 season? How many were not either drafted or signed (or, in the case of Embiid, started playing) in the last two years?

[HornetJail]

McConnell, Holmes, and Covington are the only players on that team who played for that 2015-16 Sixers team that went 10-72. McConnell and Holmes were rookies and Covington was in his second year with the team, 3rd in the league. Embiid was on the roster but injured.

They only have 6 players on the roster that aren't rookies or sophomores... one is Covington and the rest are role players- Belinelli, Bayless, Ilyasova, Redick, Amir Johnson

That is crazy for a team that went 52-30

[yosemiteben]

K, so that's my point. If the argument is culture doesn't matter, not sure how I feel about that but it's a stronger argument. But if the argument is PHI built a culture by building on guys that stayed in their system, I don't buy that.

[HornetJail]

K, so that's my point. If the argument is culture doesn't matter, not sure how I feel about that but it's a stronger argument. But if the argument is PHI built a culture by building on guys that stayed in their system, I don't buy that.

yeah I wasn't arguing for or against it there, just giving you the answer to the question you asked.

But I might argue for it: It's worth noting that they started this season 15-19, and flipped the switch a couple weeks after trading off Okafor and Stauskas (who were both on the 10-win team and reasons why they only won 10 games), and only kept the players that were actually good and helping the team. In my opinion, part of The Process might've been taking in a ton of players, weeding out the bad and apathetic, and keeping the ones who were focused on being part of the solution. There likely is a culture aspect. They purged those horrendous 2013-16 teams and turned things around quick. You don't go 37-11 over the course of 60% of an NBA season with a super-young roster without impressive team play.

[geraldwallace]

I can't see a world where I'd say I'd rather have this team than Phillies

[HornetJail]

I can't see a world where I'd say I'd rather have this team than Phillies

other than the Warriors, Rockets, and whichever team LeBron goes to this summer, nearly every other team in the league would rather have Philly's.

I'd trade literally every player on this roster plus 11 and an addition 1st to get Ben Simmons here

[yosemiteben]

In my opinion, part of The Process might've been taking in a ton of players, weeding out the bad and apathetic, and keeping the ones who were focused on being part of the solution.

So only three guys, only one of which is supposed to regularly see the floor?

The way I see it is that PHI was doing a prolonged rebuild and treated every single player as a placeholder. You expect complete roster turnover due to contract realities, and it's not realistic to build any sort of culture with a bunch of players that you know aren't going to be a part of your franchise long term / don't deserve to be on an NBA roster.

[geraldwallace]

In my opinion, part of The Process might've been taking in a ton of players, weeding out the bad and apathetic, and keeping the ones who were focused on being part of the solution.

So only three guys, only one of which is supposed to regularly see the floor?

The way I see it is that PHI was doing a prolonged rebuild and treated every single player as a placeholder. You expect complete roster turnover due to contract realities, and it's not realistic to build any sort of culture with a bunch of players that you know aren't going to be a part of your franchise long term / don't deserve to be on an NBA roster.

So you think philly is about to fall off?

[yosemiteben]

Where did you get that based on what I said?

[Diop]

[Benjamin Linus]

OKC would be a better team with Kemba instd of westbrook

.................but that's some obvious sHhittttT

[316Hornets]

In my opinion, part of The Process might've been taking in a ton of players, weeding out the bad and apathetic, and keeping the ones who were focused on being part of the solution.

So only three guys, only one of which is supposed to regularly see the floor?

The way I see it is that PHI was doing a prolonged rebuild and treated every single player as a placeholder. You expect complete roster turnover due to contract realities, and it's not realistic to build any sort of culture with a bunch of players that you know aren't going to be a part of your franchise long term / don't deserve to be on an NBA roster.

I think Lebron has shown everyone that building around the very best player of the generation pays huge dividends. Let's face it, guys like Kemba are commonly found on all of the bad teams. To separate yourself and your potential involves getting one of the best players of the generation. Philly did the 'process' to get the best odds of getting the next upper echelon star and it looks like they might have it in Simmons with Embiid being a solid contributor as well. If Lebron goes to Philly, then the 'process' earns even more respect as even the best player of the game can see what type of impact he had on other team's strategy.

[Benjamin Linus]

What Philly did was smart considering how the league is setup. But if they've created this movement where all these teams are deliberately rolling out garbage fire teams for 5+ years then fck that sht I'm out. If that's going to be the case, there should be some rule where if you go three straight years w/less than 30 wins, your pick automatically goes to an 8th seed playoff team or something.

[catch20two]

Sixers did what was necessary for them. They hired the right coach to develop the players through the process and they had a little bit of luck. I wouldn’t recommend any team to follow the same path as them expecting the same success but I don’t blame them for the way they decided to blow up their team consisting of Iguodala, Jrue, LouWill, and Thad Young being their best players in order to tank until they got it right.

[LofJ]

Philly also had four top 3 picks whereas we only had one. We didn't tank long enough. It all went downhill when the team hired Clifford and signed Al Jefferson. But as I said before the organization wasn't in a place where a sustained rebuilding process was possible.

[catch20two]

Philly also had four top 3 picks whereas we only had one. We didn't tank long enough. It all went downhill when the team hired Clifford and signed Al Jefferson. But as I said before the organization wasn't in a place where a sustained rebuilding process was possible.

Charlotte’s rebuild got destroyed after the 7-59 season and they didn’t get #1 overall to draft Anthony Davis lol talk about bad luck. Hornets get AD and we wouldn’t be talking about none of this right now.

[SWedd523]

What Philly did was smart considering how the league is setup. But if they've created this movement where all these teams are deliberately rolling out garbage fire teams for 5+ years then fck that sht I'm out. If that's going to be the case, there should be some rule where if you go three straight years w/less than 30 wins, your pick automatically goes to an 8th seed playoff team or something.

Honest question, would you prefer the Charlotte status quo?

[Benjamin Linus]

I want to see the whole system changed. I definitely don't want to see a bunch of teams trying to emulate the 76ers.