Best Post-Draft Trade For Kevin Love

[Stillwater]

If the worst thing were to happen which it won't 9 out of 10 that the Cavs get bounced in the first round & as a result Lebron publicly declares he's gone which is highly unlikely even if that did happen and even more laughable; I could see the Org being willing to take on Chandler Parsons and Ivan Rabb sending Love and Osman to Memphis provided they are willing to sacrifice the #1-#3 pick this year and a future 2nd. They would NOT get the Cavs first via Brooklyn in that scenario either as bad as Parsons C is. but they would get a good all-star and a fine young euro but most importantly get out from under Parsons terrible contract given his injuries. I think the Cavs would do this to kick start a rebuild and would be willing to pay the repeater another year until more contracts fell off the books given the value of the 1-3 pick.
Obviously Memphis would only do this if they feel they can win with a Conley,Love,Gasol line up with the complimentary pieces they have around them I wouldn't think it is unreasonable.
Cav's would probably have to trade the Nets pick to dump Thompson maybe to LAC if they don't want to pay DJ as much as they want a better pick in a swap for 1 of their late lottery picks.

What if it plays out after draft night?

It wouldn't finalize until after the actual draft, This would have to be agreed a pon so that Memphis would pick who we wanted in the top 3 then the deal would commence after the drafted player is signed etc. The Clippers or whatever team example to dump thompson shipping out the Nets pick would finalize after the draft took place but we would pick whom they wanted at 8 and they would pick for us at 13 etc. If the Cavs could walk away with JJJ and Zhaire Smith by eating Parsons contract but also getting rid of Love Osman and Thompson after Lebron says bye then I'm all in for that over just drafting Trae Young or some other stiff at 8 and tanking for the next 3 years. But it doesn't really matter because we aint losing to the Pacers and Lebron aint chasing rings at this point in his career.

[jbk1234]

Without getting into Love's trade value, we already have Nance and Zizic so I have no interest in trading for a meh big man. Monk may eventually become what he was projected to be but it's no exaggeration to say he showed nothing his rookie year. The Blazers have no large expiring contracts and the Hornets only have Howard.

Holding onto Love for another year and realizing the cap savings in 2019 isn't a bad option for the Cavs if the offers underwhelm.

I think the Cavs would take their chances on a Yabusele, ‘19 Kings pick, ‘19 Grizzlies pick and ‘19 Knicks 2nd even with the conditions on the 1sts.

But the Celtics wouldn’t come close to offering that. I’m not sure if I’m in the minority, but I don’t see Love having any value to the Celtics. Simply matching the money required to get him requires the Celtics giving up more than he’s worth. He doesn’t fit the switch-everything defensive system the Celtics run, and if he’s the 3rd option behind Kyrie/Hayward, I’m not putting Tatum and his shooting/defensive versatility on the bench. Regardless, the Kings pick holds more value than a 30 year old Love on an expiring contract.

Cavs fans that don’t think the Celtics offer is enough for Love are going to be wildly disappointed. A bad contract and a mid-to-late lottery pick is more than fair for a 30 year old expiring one-way player. The Celtics don’t have a bad contract to attach to any package, and Love would put us in cap/tax hell unless we included Hayward or Horford (which I wouldn’t even remotely consider even if it were straight up).

Resigning him and Kyrie next offseason would make the Celtics tax bill outrageous, and I’ve got no desire to resign a 30 year old Love to come off the bench regardless of tax concerns. Tatum’s defensive ability/versatility when we go small with Horford at the 5 is a major reason we were the best defense in the NBA this year. His elite shooting ability would make him the clear favorite to start next to Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, and Horford over Love, so giving up 2 high draft picks with 8 years of team control and 4 cheap seasons left for a legit bench scorer is simply unrealistic.

I think the entire thought of Boston trading for Love is far fetched for a number of reasons. In terms of the Cavs taking back a bad contract in a Love deal, if that contract ran past 2019, there would have to be a heck of an asset attached to it.

[HornetJail]

I'd trade 11 + Howard for Love before I traded Monk + Howard

Dwight and ‘19 Hornets Lotto Protected 1st for Jabari Parker (sign and trade)

Brogdon, Delly, Snell and ‘19 Hornets 1st for Love

??

Re: the Charlotte half of this- I actually made this a few days ago.

Instead of a lotto protected 1st, I offered a less-protected pick swap in a future year. Never really got much feedback on the trade. Where would the Bucks be in relation to the luxury tax? Would they have to dump Henson or Maker to get under it? I could see some use for either one- we'll need a passable third-string center to prepare for Zeller's annual injury.

Probably don't take Henson's contract without some incentive but I'd probably take on Maker.

Of course that all hinges on Parker signing a relatively low-risk deal. As I said in the original trade post, if Parker is being S&Ted for Howard, trade rules would force Parker's 1st year to be over $19M, which is A LOT. I probably wouldn't want more than 2 years guaranteed at that price

[NYG]

I'd trade 11 + Howard for Love before I traded Monk + Howard

Dwight and ‘19 Hornets Lotto Protected 1st for Jabari Parker (sign and trade)

Brogdon, Delly, Snell and ‘19 Hornets 1st for Love

??

Re: the Charlotte half of this- I actually made this a few days ago.

Instead of a lotto protected 1st, I offered a less-protected pick swap in a future year. Never really got much feedback on the trade. Where would the Bucks be in relation to the luxury tax? Would they have to dump Henson or Maker to get under it? I could see some use for either one- we'll need a passable third-string center to prepare for Zeller's annual injury.

Probably don't take Henson's contract without some incentive but I'd probably take on Maker.

Of course that all hinges on Parker signing a relatively low-risk deal. As I said in the original trade post, if Parker is being S&Ted for Howard, trade rules would force Parker's 1st year to be over $19M, which is A LOT. I probably wouldn't want more than 2 years guaranteed at that price

I could actually see Charlotte sending Batum and 11 for Wiggins then doing the Jabari deal after the draft to get around Stepien.

[HornetJail]

Dwight and ‘19 Hornets Lotto Protected 1st for Jabari Parker (sign and trade)

Brogdon, Delly, Snell and ‘19 Hornets 1st for Love

??

Re: the Charlotte half of this- I actually made this a few days ago.

Instead of a lotto protected 1st, I offered a less-protected pick swap in a future year. Never really got much feedback on the trade. Where would the Bucks be in relation to the luxury tax? Would they have to dump Henson or Maker to get under it? I could see some use for either one- we'll need a passable third-string center to prepare for Zeller's annual injury.

Probably don't take Henson's contract without some incentive but I'd probably take on Maker.

Of course that all hinges on Parker signing a relatively low-risk deal. As I said in the original trade post, if Parker is being S&Ted for Howard, trade rules would force Parker's 1st year to be over $19M, which is A LOT. I probably wouldn't want more than 2 years guaranteed at that price

I could actually see Charlotte sending Batum and 11 for Wiggins then doing the Jabari deal after the draft to get around Stepien.

I am 100% on board with this. Even if we have to send out Lamb in one of those deals to get it done I'd do it:
Zeller/Hernangomez
Parker/Marvin/Kaminsky
MKG/Bacon
Wiggins/Monk
Kemba

Need to try to find a deal for a backup PG (probably for Marvin) but that looks terrific and has one hell of a ceiling

[NYG]

Re: the Charlotte half of this- I actually made this a few days ago.

Instead of a lotto protected 1st, I offered a less-protected pick swap in a future year. Never really got much feedback on the trade. Where would the Bucks be in relation to the luxury tax? Would they have to dump Henson or Maker to get under it? I could see some use for either one- we'll need a passable third-string center to prepare for Zeller's annual injury.

Probably don't take Henson's contract without some incentive but I'd probably take on Maker.

Of course that all hinges on Parker signing a relatively low-risk deal. As I said in the original trade post, if Parker is being S&Ted for Howard, trade rules would force Parker's 1st year to be over $19M, which is A LOT. I probably wouldn't want more than 2 years guaranteed at that price

I could actually see Charlotte sending Batum and 11 for Wiggins then doing the Jabari deal after the draft to get around Stepien.

I am 100% on board with this. Even if we have to send out Lamb in one of those deals to get it done I'd do it:
Zeller/Hernangomez
Parker/Marvin/Kaminsky
MKG/Bacon
Wiggins/Monk
Kemba

Need to try to find a deal for a backup PG (probably for Marvin) but that looks terrific and has one hell of a ceiling

Something based around Marvin Williams to Jazz, Utah Non-Guaranteed Contracts + Minor Incentive to Brooklyn, Jeremy Lin to Charlotte?

Also, which deal do you think needs Lamb more?

[HornetJail]

I could actually see Charlotte sending Batum and 11 for Wiggins then doing the Jabari deal after the draft to get around Stepien.

I am 100% on board with this. Even if we have to send out Lamb in one of those deals to get it done I'd do it:
Zeller/Hernangomez
Parker/Marvin/Kaminsky
MKG/Bacon
Wiggins/Monk
Kemba

Need to try to find a deal for a backup PG (probably for Marvin) but that looks terrific and has one hell of a ceiling

Something based around Marvin Williams to Jazz, Utah Non-Guaranteed Contracts + Minor Incentive to Brooklyn, Jeremy Lin to Charlotte?

Also, which deal do you think needs Lamb more?

I'd love to have Lin back here- I'd do that.

Would prefer to keep Lamb if it's an option but I could definitely see Minnesota wanting Lamb since Batum is not a scorer and they could use a scorer off the bench. Lamb would be a massive upgrade on Jamal Crawford, who honestly really sucks now.
Zeller[28mpg]/Willy[20]
Jabari[30]/Frank[18]
MKG[30]/Wiggins[18]/Bacon[]
Wiggins[16]/Monk[24]/Lin[8]
Kemba[32]/Lin[16]
I think you've pretty much found my dream scenario. Next season, the starting five would be aged 28, 23 25, 23, 26 (PG to C) and the bench would be 30, 20, 23, 25, 24. We're younger, better, more versatile, and we'd have room for the full MLE under the luxury tax after these deals to fill out our third string so we don't die if one guy gets hurt. We'd be able to keep Graham too. Then when Kemba needs his contract next summer, Lin comes off the books and we use his money to give Kemba his payday while staying under the lux tax. Kupchak, if you're reading this, I will love you forever you pull this off

[bigmean]

Cleveland gets Milwaukee first round (#17), Tim Hardaway, John Henson, Brandon Ingram

Lakers gets New York first round pick, Kevin Love. Malcolm Brogdon

Milwaukee gets Kyle Korver, Kyle Kuzma, Joakim Noah, #55 from cleveland

New York gets: Cleveland first round pick via Cleveland (#25), Khris Middleton, Josh Hart, Luol Deng

Cleveland improves perimeter and my opinion improves center at #17 there alot of fascinating prospect, Zhaire Smith, Anfernee Simons, Robert Williams. but it would draft Jontay Porter

Lakers get there first star in Love, Brogdon to me is ideal compliment for Ball, at # 9 there are ton great players I like Lonnie Walker or Mikail Bridges, then you call Paul George and have a serious conservation you also offer the max to Clint capela

Milwaukee doesnt resign Parker, I love pairing Kuzma and Greek Freek.

New York gets a prospective second star, I love Josh Hart and willing to deal with Luol deng

[NYG]

I am 100% on board with this. Even if we have to send out Lamb in one of those deals to get it done I'd do it:
Zeller/Hernangomez
Parker/Marvin/Kaminsky
MKG/Bacon
Wiggins/Monk
Kemba

Need to try to find a deal for a backup PG (probably for Marvin) but that looks terrific and has one hell of a ceiling

Something based around Marvin Williams to Jazz, Utah Non-Guaranteed Contracts + Minor Incentive to Brooklyn, Jeremy Lin to Charlotte?

Also, which deal do you think needs Lamb more?

I'd love to have Lin back here- I'd do that.

Would prefer to keep Lamb if it's an option but I could definitely see Minnesota wanting Lamb since Batum is not a scorer and they could use a scorer off the bench. Lamb would be a massive upgrade on Jamal Crawford, who honestly really sucks now.
Zeller[28mpg]/Willy[20]
Jabari[30]/Frank[18]
MKG[30]/Wiggins[18]/Bacon[]
Wiggins[16]/Monk[24]/Lin[8]
Kemba[32]/Lin[16]
I think you've pretty much found my dream scenario. Next season, the starting five would be aged 28, 23 25, 23, 26 (PG to C) and the bench would be 30, 20, 23, 25, 24. We're younger, better, more versatile, and we'd have room for the full MLE under the luxury tax after these deals to fill out our third string so we don't die if one guy gets hurt. We'd be able to keep Graham too. Then when Kemba needs his contract next summer, Lin comes off the books and we use his money to give Kemba his payday while staying under the lux tax. Kupchak, if you're reading this, I will love you forever you pull this off

I think I need to do a more interactive version of my mock off-season for part 2.