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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#641 » by Kabookalu » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:52 am

Hero wrote:This L was more than just Casey being a trash coach or DeRozan chucking..

Why do people try to simplify it?


People are unable to think beyond their established preconceived narratives. DeMar, Poeltl, Siakam, Ibaka, Delon, Jonas, Lowry, no one besides OG is blameless this game. Lowry's the closest player besides OG to have done more good than bad.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#642 » by raptorstime » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:52 am

Hero wrote:This L was more than just Casey being a trash coach or DeRozan chucking..

Why do people try to simplify it?

deroz chucking and ibaka + miles making bonehead plays one after another
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Post#643 » by RalphWiggum » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:52 am

Childs wrote:
"I thought DeMar was terrific". They shouldn't even let Casey get on the plane after saying something that stupid.

Stackhouse should be coaching game 5.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#644 » by Patman » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:52 am

Guys, there's a reason why LeBron starts the game trying to get his teammates in a rhythm. You can't expect to try to score everything yourself, and then in the 4th quarter try to defer to teammates who have barely touched the ball. It's not going to work. Ball movement needs to happen from the jump.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#645 » by C.Boshly » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:53 am

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biblast™ wrote:Okay. How is this Casey’s fault again ? Oh wait, he’s the one that told them to miss those shots ? That was part of the game plan ???
Casey left Lebron on our bench ??? Oh wait, he plays for Cleveland!
So Casey should have benched the entire team and play Bebe, JV, and Brown ??

Had those clowns play the same way they did in the 1st half and made shots, would you had given credit to Casey ???

Seriously, this board is a joke!


Casey's not responsible for the team possession by possession, but he is responsible for the culture, play style and discipline of the team. He can't allow DD to chuck away without consequence. Instead of babying him and treating him like an superstar, he should be treated just as any player who is hurting his team. DD doesn't get priority over winning.


The culture and playstyle of this team is fine. This is the NBA; if your stars do not perform you will not be successful. Who exactly on this team would you rather have with the ball? Lowry and Delon who have no game between the three point line and basket? CJ Miles who looked terrified?

Casey was 100% on point in postgame. This team has to execute offensively, stop with the ridiculous turnovers and cannot pass up shots they normally take. We need Demar and Lowry to put pressure on the defense to even get effective ball movement and start shifting the defense. We were in a position to win the game and either Lowry or Demar has to lead us there.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#646 » by whoknows » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:53 am

Mack11 wrote:that culture reset only applied to the regular season


a true culture reset is getting rid of chocker and replace with leader
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#647 » by Childs » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:53 am

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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#648 » by 720 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:53 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
Mad Balla 15 wrote:
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People. THIS. Is the problem.

Forget blaming Delon. Forget blaming CJ. Or anyone else.

Read the facts.


This was the exact point I was making with my thread that was locked for some reason. This time always reverts back to ISO ball when things get tight which usually more often than not turns into losses. The culture hasn’t changed.


Our CORE in a nutshell..

You'll notice Casey's awful play calling/inability to adapt, DeMar's God awful tunnel vision n Koward Lowry nowhere to be found.

Lowry was doing just fine until DeTrash was put back into the game in the fourth.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#649 » by Patman » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:55 am

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Ok so as the coach of this team of how many years now?! He doesn't know DeMar's track record of these late game situations better yet these PLAY CALLS down the stretch?!

It's fine if it happens maybe once or twice but Casey seen it wasn't working n that the wrong decision was being made OVER n OVER again but yet CASEY chose to draw up the same damn thing, that is on HIM!!!

Idk why people are such apologists that they can't admit what terrible coaching that is down the stretch. These same Three Stooges continue to make the same dumb mistakes year in n year out. Any half decent coach STOPS iso-ing a player that has failed on 2-3 consecutive possessions. They don't continue to force feed a cold hand that is only growing further frustrated. Do you think Pops, Kerr, Stevens or any other respectable coach would continue to force it to a single player who was never known as a great passer to be the decision maker?! Especially if they already had several previous seasons and also minutes within the game as a reference point?!

It's rhetorical because you know they wouldn't. Casey n DeMar deserve each other and Lowry is just a coward so we'll leave him alone as he wants to be.


Care to provide an alternative to starting a possession with the ball in DeMar's hands? There's no such play called "assisted 3-pointer" or "unimpeded layup".


Hmm idk what about our "all-star PG"?!

Or how about the second PG we had in there?! Isn't that what PGs do????

I know it's a slight wrinkle to try something other than what's failed repeatedly but it's worth as shot, no?!


Lowry couldn't blow by Gortat in the 4th. Delon for some reason was scared to death of missing a shot or making a bad pass, so he was super passive. Let's run the offense through Serge or CJ then?
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#650 » by RaptorsLife » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:55 am

Paul pierce was right
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#651 » by LastNameEver » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:55 am

DIEHARD_005 wrote:Called it last year. The problem for the most part is casey. He should have been axxed after last season.

Soon you guys will realize that it was Casey who had these guys overachieving.
They're not as talented as you think.
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Post#652 » by toronto00 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:56 am

Hero wrote:This L was more than just Casey being a trash coach or DeRozan chucking..

Why do people try to simplify it?

Um, I think it's because of how many times we see it.

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Post#653 » by slimdiamante » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:56 am

dgr81 wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
MEDIC wrote:
Naw. Refs were horrible in the 4th..

Both of our allstars had multiple obvious fouls against them. Hard fouls that were never called.

These situations were momentum changing.


so was fouling out their top scorer who was on fire on a totally bogus call. can't blame the refs.

toronto fans will always blame the refs.

leafs/raps/jays fans all have inferiority complexes. they need the US media to always praise them and for the refs to always bail them out.


Agree. I did not see any deviation in the ref calls today. What should be pointed out though is Demar's enigmatic decision making and below-average ball handling skills which was detrimental to their success today.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#654 » by Potential » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:56 am

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Post#655 » by kj_ » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:56 am

Wizards have adjusted exceptionally well. No more traps or doubles on Kyle or Demar. They are staying home on shooters and making Kyle and Demar score. Demar did not do that with efficiency tonight. If that doesn’t change, the Wizards could very well win this series. Wednesday Demar needs to show up. There will be immense pressure on him.


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Post#656 » by Red_Claw » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:57 am

RalphWiggum wrote:
Childs wrote:
"I thought DeMar was terrific". They shouldn't even let Casey get on the plane after saying something that stupid.

Stackhouse should be coaching game 5.


Can't believe he has the nerve to say that....but i guess when you're on your way to 3 1st round losses in 5 seasons, you get practice talking stupid.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#657 » by Kabookalu » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:57 am

People have forgotten what happened in game 3. We played "our" game and got blown out because we have too many poor passers that can't be trusted to make decisions in a playoff game. We had Siakam running around like a chicken with his head cut off. The way we played in game 4 we limited their transition buckets.

Am I saying I want ISO ball? No, but you can't blame this on Casey when he made adjustments to get the team in a position to win it after getting embarrassed. The ones that should be criticized are the players for failing to find their nuts.




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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#658 » by Mahoner » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:58 am

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These quotes could've been posted from the past 5 years!
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Post#659 » by Son Goku 25 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:58 am

Need a timeout, good timings for me I guess
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#660 » by Yosemite Dan » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:59 am

Lol at people blaming anybody other than DD entirely for this loss.

No it wasn’t the refs it was DD

No it wasn’t Casey, it was DD. You think he told DD to chuck away the entire game? And what was he supposed to do because DD wouldn’t listen, is he gonna bench him? Last thing he wants is to create internal drama on this team, you can do that in February but not game 4 of the 1st round, especially when the game was tight throughout.

No it wasn’t Ibaka or any of the bench players looking scared. DD from the very first minute was going Kobe and didn’t care because his ego is the size of the hatred for Kathleen Wynne. He shut everyone out, took them out of thier comfort zone and then the few times they were allowed to have the ball, they naturally tighten up because they weren’t in rhythm. And consequently the defense suffered because they didn’t feel involved in the game. Go play a pick up game and if everyone refuses to pass to you, see how much you lose your zeal for playing defense after awhile. NBA players are human, it’s a natural reaction.

If any of you don’t solely blame DD for 100% of this loss then frankly you’re an idiot and there’s nothing to talk about.

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