PG: derozan will never learn

Kabookalu · Post #741 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:34 am

Yosemite Dan wrote:
Kabookalu wrote:
Yosemite Dan wrote:
Did you even watch the game or were you too busy posting on the GT every 2 mins? The instances where DD actually gave up the ball where a teammate had an open look, you would be able to count on one hand. The guy took 29 shots and went to the FT line 18 times. Possessions numbering in the high 30s he took the shot and the vast majority without even looking to pass.

Are you serious right now? Do you just not watch the game until the last 3 seconds of the possession? You don't see our guys being scared to challenge the Wizards defense?

Ok you really didnt watch the game. Thanks for the confirmation. Yeah DD with the 50% usage rate but he was forced to by his teammates. Sounds plausible......in bizarro world.

Just a heads up to watch the next game with some glasses.

PhilBlackson · Post #742 » by **PhilBlackson** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:35 am

Vlade Divac wrote:19 assists, only 18 3 point shots, 19 turnovers and your "allstar" shoots 34% while taking 30 shots. Is this 2015 or 2018?

After being eliminated...

On the next Open Gym #GROUNDHOGDAY

Red_Claw · Post #743 » by **Red_Claw** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:35 am

I KNOW ive said this multiple times in the past but... Masai honestly can't keep the core of Casey, Derozan and Lowry if we lose in the 1st round again.... Theres no way someone can be that blind. Especially Masai.

Boogie! · Post #744 » by **Boogie!** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:36 am

think abour how much better this team would be if he plated guys that actually were doing well... siakam, anunoby, poeltl, delon, lowry... imagine he played that lineup to close the game... think of how much better we wouldve been on both ends... he literally is an idiot that plays guys based on his biases, philosophies and merit and ignores actual production... he doesnt played og in the fourth JUST BECAUSE. he always plays demar and ibaka in the fourth JUST BECAUSE THEYRE DEMAR AND IBAKA. he always plays 3 guards, JUST BECAUSE HE NEEDS BALL HANDLERS. he has no **** clue how to interpret performance and understand who's doing what and why theyre succeeding.

Yosemite Dan · Post #745 » by **Yosemite Dan** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:36 am

Kabookalu wrote:
Yosemite Dan wrote:
Kabookalu wrote:
Are you serious right now? Do you just not watch the game until the last 3 seconds of the possession? You don't see our guys being scared to challenge the Wizards defense?

Ok you really didnt watch the game. Thanks for the confirmation. Yeah DD with the 50% usage rate but he was forced to by his teammates. Sounds plausible......in bizarro world.

Just a heads up to watch the next game with some glasses.

You mean like the rose coloured ones you were using tonight.

I bet you were a big TJ Ford fan too

verysalt · Post #746 » by **verysalt** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:36 am

ForeverTFC wrote:10/29

And we blame refs :lol:

hsb · Post #747 » by **hsb** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:36 am

Kabookalu wrote:
hsb wrote:
Kabookalu wrote:
I don't know if there's a video of it but there was a play I distinctly remember where Poeltl was semi open on a pass from DeMar near the elbow. Gortat had his head turned, Poeltl just needed to attack. Instead he dribbles it back out and finds DeMar again for a reset. Inexcusable.

There's a rhythm to a game. If you're trained to work with two players that want to take all of the shots for a large stretch of your minutes, your natural instinct isn't to attack on offense. The fluidity isn't there, especially someone like Poeltl who is very methodical on execution. The only one who seemingly can do this is JV, whose ability to keep on rolling without touches can be its own TED Talk on perseverance lol.

I've always seen this argument used to explain past offenses but I saw it as an indictment against those players instead of defense of them; you don't need rhythm to see that you should attack the basket. I understand it effects shooters, but not when a player has the opportunity to attack and they just choose not to.

I disagree completely and I think history has shown that. Robin Lopez had an interview where he mentioned it himself. He hinted that when you touch the ball more on offense it makes you feel part of the team and you work better within the unit on all facets. So when you have the advantage you trust your teammates getting it to you, if you don't see those touches, you end up doing less of those positive things you would hope for.

We cant expect Poeltl to play a different brand of basketball than DD. They have to be on the same page if they want to have a multifaceted attack and that goes for everyone on the team. Today they weren't on the same page and their roles were negatively simplified.

alienchild · Post #748 » by **alienchild** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:37 am

Kabookalu wrote:
Yosemite Dan wrote:
Kabookalu wrote:
Are you serious right now? Do you just not watch the game until the last 3 seconds of the possession? You don't see our guys being scared to challenge the Wizards defense?

Ok you really didnt watch the game. Thanks for the confirmation. Yeah DD with the 50% usage rate but he was forced to by his teammates. Sounds plausible......in bizarro world.

Just a heads up to watch the next game with some glasses.

Glasses don't help where his head is hiding.

Randle McMurphy · Post #749 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:37 am

So much for that culture change. DeRozan goes 10 for 29 and Casey inexplicably sticks with him/allows him to do it while playing scrubs like CJ Miles who provide nothing for half the game simply out of habit. Who could have predicted that these two would fall back into their old habits when the going got tough?

The Raptors may (and probably will) still win this series in 7 like the other ones in the past but does it really matter? This core isn't good enough to get the franchise where they want to go.

vesku888 · Post #750 » by **vesku888** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:37 am

teamLeiweke wrote:I don’t know why everyone is tripping. Washington if Wall doesn’t miss 41 games is a 3/4 seed. This is a second round matchup vs a team that matches up well with us that swept us a few years ago. We took care of game 1. We went up 2-0 first time ever. We handled business at home. They handled business at home. I didn’t think this would be an easy series at all. After LeBron I was most worried about Wiz in the entire Eastern conference. Wasn’t as worried about Heat, Bucks, Pacers. But Washington was a challenge. Just gotta win at home on Wednesday and we are up 3-2. Try to remain calm everyone. Most series aren’t a sweep.

People are tripping at HOW the raptors are losing

14 pt lead early in the third
Iso ball
Supporting cast afraid to shoot
etc.

Boogie! · Post #751 » by **Boogie!** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:39 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
Vlade Divac wrote:19 assists, only 18 3 point shots, 19 turnovers and your "allstar" shoots 34% while taking 30 shots. Is this 2015 or 2018?

After being eliminated...

On the next Open Gym #GROUNDHOGDAY

those stats are amazing... not only does idiot casey literally change his gameplan back to iso ball TO LIMIT TURNOVERS, HE EFFECTIVELY NEUTERS OUR OFFENSE ONLY TO STILL GIVE UP THE SAME AMOUNT OF TURNOVERS. genius coach.

Buff · Post #752 » by **Buff** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:39 am

Casey *is* the coach, right? So, theoretically, if he said "Demar, you shoot no more", Demar would stop forcing the issue?
So, why doesn't he say that. If he doesn't have the power, what good a coach is he? If he thinks this is fine, what good a coach is he?

He is the boss, this offensive mess is on him.

Vlade Divac · Post #753 » by **Vlade Divac** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:41 am

I agree that Lowry was not as bad as DeRozan was, but i blame him even more, because this year he is talking back seat and let DeRozan kill us with his fake Kobe impressions. He should take charge and not just dump ball to DeBrick and watch from the side.

Red_Claw · Post #754 » by **Red_Claw** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:41 am

Derozan for CJ Mccollum + 1sts

Scott Hall · Post #755 » by **Scott Hall** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:41 am

Read on Twitter

Red_Claw · Post #756 » by **Red_Claw** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:42 am

Vlade Divac wrote:I agree that Lowry was not as bad as DeRozan was, but i blame him even more, because this year he is talking back seat and let DeRozan kill us with his fake Kobe impressions. He should take charge and not just dump ball to DeBrick and watch from the side.

THIS YEAR?!? Derozan is the same player as is Kyle. Nothing is different this year except for Derozan's playmaking which he's given up for playoffs.

720 · Post #757 » by **720** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:44 am

vesku888 wrote:
teamLeiweke wrote:I don’t know why everyone is tripping. Washington if Wall doesn’t miss 41 games is a 3/4 seed. This is a second round matchup vs a team that matches up well with us that swept us a few years ago. We took care of game 1. We went up 2-0 first time ever. We handled business at home. They handled business at home. I didn’t think this would be an easy series at all. After LeBron I was most worried about Wiz in the entire Eastern conference. Wasn’t as worried about Heat, Bucks, Pacers. But Washington was a challenge. Just gotta win at home on Wednesday and we are up 3-2. Try to remain calm everyone. Most series aren’t a sweep.

People are tripping at HOW the raptors are losing

14 pt lead early in the third
Iso ball
Supporting cast afraid to shoot
etc.

teamleiweke likes iso ball.

Scott Hall · Post #758 » by **Scott Hall** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:45 am

Read on Twitter

720 · Post #759 » by **720** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:45 am

Red_Claw wrote:Derozan for CJ Mccollum + 1sts

CJ suffers from Iso tendencies too but he's a smart player, I'm sure in our system he would thrive.

Red_Claw · Post #760 » by **Red_Claw** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:49 am

VC720 wrote:
Red_Claw wrote:Derozan for CJ Mccollum + 1sts

CJ suffers from Iso tendencies too but he's a smart player, I'm sure in our system he would thrive.

His stats don't impress me except for the 6 threes a game at 40%. Derozan could never be that player and because of that, he doesn't space the floor and make the team better like he's paid to do. If we got a 1st out of it, even better...