So we have crossed the mid-season mark - the question we often asked ourselves
"Are our players worth their pay?"
Taking a baseline of $472,115/GCP point (computed off top 52 performing players using stats up to 15 Dec 2017) - i.e. how the top players are performing and how much they got paid and drilling that down to $/GCP points.
The players that have given us value for money would be (using stats up to 23 Jan 2018):
RHJ - $1471382/27.6 = $53,310.94 per GCP (8.86)
Dinwiddie - $1524305/25.7 = $59,311 (7.96)
CLV - $1632480/21.2 = $77,003.77 (6.13)
Harris - $1524305/17.76 = $85,827.98 (5.5)
Whitehead - $1312611/13.7 = $100,199.31 (4.71)
Zeller - $1709538/15.62 = $109,445.45 (4.31)
Allen - $1713720/13.79 = $124,272.66 (3.8)
Acy - $1709538/11.6 = $147,373.97 (3.2)
DAR - $5562360/29.8 = $186,656.38 (2.53)
Stauskas - $3807147/11 = $346,104,27 (1.36)
Although these players give us value for money - our worry is whether they would be poached by other teams offering them better deals. We should at least try to lock a deal with Dinwiddie for next year.
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These players will need to contribute more
Okafor - $4995120/9 = $555,013.33 (0.85) (still new so we can wait and watch him grow - his salary needs GCP of around 11 which isn't far for him to achieve)
DMC - $14800000/23.84 = $620,805.37 (0.76) (doing fine in terms of GCP but should contribute more to fit the salary being paid he needs to be averaging around GCP of 31 per game)
Crabbe - $19332500/20.27 = $953,749.38 (0.5) (Doing fine at GCP 20 but needs to be around GCP 41 for the salary he is drawing)
Mozgov - $15280000/8.6 = $1,776,744.19 (0.27) (We should really ask ourselves if we ought to retain him)
I am wondering if the GCP can be used as a gauge for us to monitor the trades next year -i.e. to assess if we had overpaid or gained from the trade (i.e. got more value than we send away - we will see how next season when the trade happens - I am slowly building up a base information of the GCP of all the NBA players).
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Not computed Lin (Injury) and Doyle (not enough info - I can't find confirmed salary)
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LKIRNets wrote:Yit wrote:LKIRNets wrote:you do know that this system doesn't account for defense much, right?
The GCP has included some defensive stats - it is more an overall picture - I have a different tracking for just the defense itself (which I call defensive effort - but still working out the kinks on that.
define the factors it would have?
Broadly it basically compares only defensive stats of players - baseline-compared to other players (both own team and opposing team) defensive stats and try to establish the relative effort in comparison to other players. So we are looking at Defensive Rebound, Steals, Blocks and PF (I am still trying to figure out a way to include other defense stats (not easy to obtain - e.g. how many times the team caused opposing team to violate the shot-clock and attributing 1/5 contribution to player, also when player was involved in plays resulting in other types of turn-overs e.g. opposing side loosing the ball out of bounds or committing an offensive foul etc.)
But broadly, I haven't got a good sense of it as yet. Still trying to figure an easier way to get the basic stats to feed into the calculations. It's quite a chore to try and trace the team-defense stats and attribute to individual players - if you have ideas please share thanks!
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Yit wrote:LKIRNets wrote:Yit wrote:
The GCP has included some defensive stats - it is more an overall picture - I have a different tracking for just the defense itself (which I call defensive effort - but still working out the kinks on that.
define the factors it would have?
Broadly it basically compares only defensive stats of players - baseline-compared to other players (both own team and opposing team) defensive stats and try to establish the relative effort in comparison to other players. So we are looking at Defensive Rebound, Steals, Blocks and PF (I am still trying to figure out a way to include other defense stats (not easy to obtain - e.g. how many times the team caused opposing team to violate the shot-clock and attributing 1/5 contribution to player, also when player was involved in plays resulting in other types of turn-overs e.g. opposing side loosing the ball out of bounds or committing an offensive foul etc.)
But broadly, I haven't got a good sense of it as yet. Still trying to figure an easier way to get the basic stats to feed into the calculations. It's quite a chore to try and trace the team-defense stats and attribute to individual players - if you have ideas please share thanks!
The NBA.com site includes deflections & contested shots. Which imo are the most important touched on stat when it comes to D. B/c one can assume good D leads to steals, blocks and PF. But I was just curious. Your stat line has some merit to the player's value but it does miss key factors.

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Sigh was missing from the forum for a while - so discovered the GT between Nets and Cavs got locked up - so here's where I will post the tracking of GCP performance of our players:
Tracking Players performance vs Cavs 27 Feb 2018
DAR - 45 (++)
CLV - 31 (++)
DMC - 27 (=)
RHJ - 26 (+)
Allen - 23 (=)
Dinwiddie - 22 (=)
Crabbe - 16 (-)
Cunningham - 10 (=)
Harris - 8 (-)
Acy - (-1) (--)
Tough loss but seems like DAR is finding his groove.
Tracking Players performance vs Cavs 27 Feb 2018
DAR - 45 (++)
CLV - 31 (++)
DMC - 27 (=)
RHJ - 26 (+)
Allen - 23 (=)
Dinwiddie - 22 (=)
Crabbe - 16 (-)
Cunningham - 10 (=)
Harris - 8 (-)
Acy - (-1) (--)
Tough loss but seems like DAR is finding his groove.
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Hi all,
It's quite a chore trying to compute for the rest of NBA players - so far I only completed the GCP up till about 31 Dec 2017. But I think that's enough stats for us to get a fair estimation. A few members asked what is the use of GCP?
Well, one of the uses is to find a value called Cost per GCP and using that to compare if our players are worth their money (or deserving a pay raise or should really be dropped as a bad contract).
So what I had done is to get the average GCP of top players in NBA (53 of them that averaged above 30 GCP per game) and obtain their Cost/GCP by dividing their salaries over their averaged GCP. Subsequently getting the figure that NBA teams are paying their top players (up to Dec 2017 data) around $462,883.49 per GCP point.
So in essence if we compare that to our players:
DMC GCP = 24 Salary = 14,800,000 C/GCP = 616,667 (a tad overpriced for his performance)
Crabbe = 23 Salary = 18,500,000 C/GCP = 804,348 (very overpriced)
Dinwiddie = 24 Salary = 1,524,305 C/GCP = 63,513 (Good Value for money also mean if we don't pay him well he may not stay - his performance is worth at least 11M)
RHJ = 26 Salary = 1,674,078 C/GCP = 64,388 (Good value for money - performance is worth 12M)
Acy = 11 Salary = 1,709,538 C/GCP = 155,413 (Good Value, performance is worth 5M)
Allen = 18 Salary = 1,713,720 C/GCP = 95,207 (Good Value, performance is worth 8M)
DAR = 26 Salary = 5,562,360 C/GCP = 213,937 (Good value, performance is worth 12M)
Harris = 19 Salary = 1,524,305 C/GCP = 80,227 (Good value, performance is worth 9M)
CLV = 22 Salary = 1,632,480 C/GCP = 74,203 (Good value, performance is worth 10M)
Cunningham = 15 Salary = 2,300,000 C/GCP = 153,333 (Good value, performance is worth 7M)
Okafor = 13 Salary = 4,995,120 C/GCP = 384,240 (Good value, performance is worth 6M)
Stauskas = 9 Salary = 3,807,146 C/GCP = 423,016 (roughly par)
Doyle = 5 Salary = 125,000 C/GCP = 25,000 (value for money, performance is worth 2M)
Mozgov = 9 Salary = 15,280,000 C/GCP = 1,697,778 (Grossly overpaid but we knew this was a toxic contract)
Whitehead = 10 Salary = 1,312,611 C/GCP = 131,261 (Value for money, performance worth 4M)
Of course realistically we can't retain everyone - so we will need to make choices - but I think the C/GCP tool at least would offer us an avenue for consideration.
It's quite a chore trying to compute for the rest of NBA players - so far I only completed the GCP up till about 31 Dec 2017. But I think that's enough stats for us to get a fair estimation. A few members asked what is the use of GCP?
Well, one of the uses is to find a value called Cost per GCP and using that to compare if our players are worth their money (or deserving a pay raise or should really be dropped as a bad contract).
So what I had done is to get the average GCP of top players in NBA (53 of them that averaged above 30 GCP per game) and obtain their Cost/GCP by dividing their salaries over their averaged GCP. Subsequently getting the figure that NBA teams are paying their top players (up to Dec 2017 data) around $462,883.49 per GCP point.
So in essence if we compare that to our players:
DMC GCP = 24 Salary = 14,800,000 C/GCP = 616,667 (a tad overpriced for his performance)
Crabbe = 23 Salary = 18,500,000 C/GCP = 804,348 (very overpriced)
Dinwiddie = 24 Salary = 1,524,305 C/GCP = 63,513 (Good Value for money also mean if we don't pay him well he may not stay - his performance is worth at least 11M)
RHJ = 26 Salary = 1,674,078 C/GCP = 64,388 (Good value for money - performance is worth 12M)
Acy = 11 Salary = 1,709,538 C/GCP = 155,413 (Good Value, performance is worth 5M)
Allen = 18 Salary = 1,713,720 C/GCP = 95,207 (Good Value, performance is worth 8M)
DAR = 26 Salary = 5,562,360 C/GCP = 213,937 (Good value, performance is worth 12M)
Harris = 19 Salary = 1,524,305 C/GCP = 80,227 (Good value, performance is worth 9M)
CLV = 22 Salary = 1,632,480 C/GCP = 74,203 (Good value, performance is worth 10M)
Cunningham = 15 Salary = 2,300,000 C/GCP = 153,333 (Good value, performance is worth 7M)
Okafor = 13 Salary = 4,995,120 C/GCP = 384,240 (Good value, performance is worth 6M)
Stauskas = 9 Salary = 3,807,146 C/GCP = 423,016 (roughly par)
Doyle = 5 Salary = 125,000 C/GCP = 25,000 (value for money, performance is worth 2M)
Mozgov = 9 Salary = 15,280,000 C/GCP = 1,697,778 (Grossly overpaid but we knew this was a toxic contract)
Whitehead = 10 Salary = 1,312,611 C/GCP = 131,261 (Value for money, performance worth 4M)
Of course realistically we can't retain everyone - so we will need to make choices - but I think the C/GCP tool at least would offer us an avenue for consideration.
Stability is a myth perpetuated by the agents called homeostasis and status quo....