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Re: RE: Re: Sean Marks/Kenny Atkinson Exit interview 

Post#81 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:06 pm

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NyCeEvO wrote:If we're just talking about the ability to obtain assets, we have no idea whether taking a different path would've yielded different results, specifically not being able to obtain the principal assets we now have.

Billy drafted RHJ, so he doesn't count.

Dinwiddie was a D-League signee, who Marks had his eye on.
Allen and Levert were both picked in the 20s and they were obtained by trading vets to playoff teams who preferred making the playoffs over an 20+ 1st round pick.
D-Lo (a depreciated asset for the Lakers) was obtained by giving up an end of 1st round pick + Lopez while taking on a bad contract.

It's not like we needed a prime asset (e.g. high lotto pick, $20+mil in cap space) to do any of these moves.

Sure, A and B tier level players wouldn't sign here, but there are always mercenary players who want to sign 1 year deals or 2 year deals with a TO/PO for year 2. See KCP, VC, Tyreke Evans, et al.

To me, the only legitimate question that remains is whether our young guys would've been able to develop as much as they have over the last few years. I've always been of the belief that solid veterans can help expedite the growth process of young players in ways that throwing them out there for 35+ minutes per night won't.

To be clear, I don't think anyone is saying that they prefer having King. What I do think people are wondering is whether the path that Marks took was truly the only path to end up where we're currently at.


Well, i think at the very least we wouldnt have Caris or Allen if another GM who was looking to go with vets was brought in. since we traded vets for those picks and Caris was kind of a guy not expected to go where he did although most gms probably take allen, i dont think we;d have that pick.

also, the last think markinson does is throw young guys out for 35+ minutes. they are very calculated in how they get these young guys minutes.

also, you arent factoring in that marks hired atkinson, the best development guy in the business. does another gm do that or do they go with a hollins type to go with their veterans?
My posts assumed that we'd still have Markinson but a few different choices were made in free agency.

I recognize that this is completely hypothetical because there's no way to know what would've happened.

Even then, I'm sure Marks believed Lin would've been a much bigger on court factor for us than he's ended up being.

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Re: Sean Marks/Kenny Atkinson Exit interview 

Post#82 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:06 pm

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Trading a player on the roster for a draft pick would be skipping a step.

That's a pretty vague wide sweeping blanket statement, don't you think?
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Re: Sean Marks/Kenny Atkinson Exit interview 

Post#83 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:15 am

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Trading a player on the roster for a draft pick would be skipping a step.

That's a pretty vague wide sweeping blanket statement, don't you think?


Depends on the caliber of the pick.

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Re: RE: Re: Sean Marks/Kenny Atkinson Exit interview 

Post#84 » by NyCeEvO » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:10 am

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Trading a player on the roster for a draft pick would be skipping a step.

That's a pretty vague wide sweeping blanket statement, don't you think?
That's what we did to get Levert. I have zero problems with doing it. It just depends on the player we're targeting.

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Re: Sean Marks/Kenny Atkinson Exit interview 

Post#85 » by Prokorov » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:50 am

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Trading a player on the roster for a draft pick would be skipping a step.



no, it be the exact opposite. trading a player for a pick (which marks has now done 4 times: Young, Bogs, Hamilton, Zeller) is how you slowly rebuild gaining picks to groom players from the ground up slowly.

not doing that, would be skipping a step
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Post#86 » by SpeedyG » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:18 am

Not sure how accurate these charts are, but the top 4 teams in the East (Toronto, Boston, Philly, Cleveland) and every playoff team in the West (with the exception of the Rockets) all have more utilization of mid-range shots than the Nets (whose shot chart looks nearly identical to the Rockets)

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Re: Sean Marks/Kenny Atkinson Exit interview 

Post#87 » by SpeedyG » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:20 am

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Trading a player on the roster for a draft pick would be skipping a step.



no, it be the exact opposite. trading a player for a pick (which marks has now done 4 times: Young, Bogs, Hamilton, Zeller) is how you slowly rebuild gaining picks to groom players from the ground up slowly.

not doing that, would be skipping a step


Well, that's true to a point. But there's a very clear difference in trading guys who aren't going to be part of our core in Thad, Brook, Bogs vs. younger guys who can still be part of our core.
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Re: Sean Marks/Kenny Atkinson Exit interview 

Post#88 » by Prokorov » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:43 am

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Trading a player on the roster for a draft pick would be skipping a step.



no, it be the exact opposite. trading a player for a pick (which marks has now done 4 times: Young, Bogs, Hamilton, Zeller) is how you slowly rebuild gaining picks to groom players from the ground up slowly.

not doing that, would be skipping a step


Well, that's true to a point. But there's a very clear difference in trading guys who aren't going to be part of our core in Thad, Brook, Bogs vs. younger guys who can still be part of our core.


True but the guys we would trade for (picks) would be 3-4 years younger and on rookie deals. and its not like the young guys we have now are lotto picks outside russell
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Re: RE: Re: Sean Marks/Kenny Atkinson Exit interview 

Post#89 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:53 am

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no, it be the exact opposite. trading a player for a pick (which marks has now done 4 times: Young, Bogs, Hamilton, Zeller) is how you slowly rebuild gaining picks to groom players from the ground up slowly.

not doing that, would be skipping a step


Well, that's true to a point. But there's a very clear difference in trading guys who aren't going to be part of our core in Thad, Brook, Bogs vs. younger guys who can still be part of our core.


True but the guys we would trade for (picks) would be 3-4 years younger and on rookie deals. and its not like the young guys we have now are lotto picks outside russell
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