The 2017-2018 Miami Heat DeathBed

[Cmon_Son-_-]

I like JRich but he probably has more value than winslow at the moment. I'm curious what adding him to any trade package with Whiteside or Goran would yield back

[DayofMourning]

I like JRich but he probably has more value than winslow at the moment. I'm curious what adding him to any trade package with Whiteside or Goran would yield back

I feel like if we were to include Rich with Dragic or White, we could get the 10th pick at best. At this point, I think Philly might prefer experience to absolute youth.

[Wiltside]

I think we're underrating JRich's trade value a bit tbh. I'd expect Dragic + Rich to net you something pretty decent.

Chit, i'm here holding my johnson hoping Whiteside / Rich / 2019 1st can get us in the Kawhinversation.

[oken]

I like the grit and toughness of Heat teams especially since crazy Waiters has joined your team. And I believe you are not nearly as bad as you think. Actually you are in better position than OKC considering the fact that the guys you overpaid are mostly around 26-27 year old bracket and have shown they can maximize their potential with good coaching(well maybe except Whiteside, but I believe he needs the same psychologist that Victor Oladipo is seeing). We instead have guys that show that they would chew every coach thrown at them and spit the remnants to the FOs face.

We are overpaying a 34 year old 28% shooter Carmelo (27mln), a 30 year old shell-of-former-self Westbrook (46mln in 2023), a 29 year old Badbrick Badderson and an Andre Roberson who can't hit a goddamn FT and has to rely on his quickness alone to make any meaningful contribution with his previously torn patellar tendon until 2020. I'm not even counting the victory cigars like Kyle Singler.

Now tell me who is more f***d up?

[BIRDMAN BIRDMAN]

This team could actually be good if it werent for them making our chests hurt a billion times only to choke in the end due to a missed ft or defensive assignment or rebound, they keep carryin that to the playoffs from the season, very consistent amirite

We dont have anyone with an alpha mentality outside of an aging Wade

In short, we are fookd

[contract]

All it will take is one player for this team to go from long term fix to right now winner. The Heat already have one guy who will step up in scoring with Waiters, they have a 3rd option too in Dragic, now they just need that option 1a person. As much as people want to underestimate the talent the Heat have right now, I think they can get some pretty good talent with the right trade.

Keep in mind, there is going to be plenty of cap room this offseason and not a lot of talent to spend money on. Taking a chance on a 2 year contract player like Hassan and/or TJ won’t be the end of the world for many teams.

Waiters is not a scorer. Despite all his delusions about being "Kobe Wade", he's never cracked 16 points per game.

And he's inefficient as hell.

Peak Waiters is roughly on par with washed up Wade.

[ReturnofMVP3]

We are a treadmill team. It needs a major fix.

[Dr_Heat]

[Youngray29]

I like JRich but he probably has more value than winslow at the moment. I'm curious what adding him to any trade package with Whiteside or Goran would yield back

Yea jrich might be our most attractive asset. He reminds of Eddie Jones. You know what happened to Eddie Jones.

[puppa bear]

I like JRich but he probably has more value than winslow at the moment. I'm curious what adding him to any trade package with Whiteside or Goran would yield back

Yea jrich might be our most attractive asset. He reminds of Eddie Jones. You know what happened to Eddie Jones.

Eddie was the ultimate "traded for the missing piece(s)" player. Twice traded from a championship t am the offseason before, to bring in the missing bits. I'm fine with trade J-Rich if that's what he is

[Wiltside]

I'll give this a stab:

Goran - could go either way depending on how the FO feels. I lean towards trying to unload him for a young player or some form of assets. Happy to retain otherwise. Regressed a little from his 16/17 year which is a slight concern.

Hassan - Needs to go. Situation is untenable and both parties seem to need to move on. Despite how poor he's been, could still get us something decent.

Richardson - lived up to the contract. Looked unbelievable in December/January but slowed down as the season wore on. I like the kid and would be happy to retain, however if he's a piece to include for a legitimate star (among others), we'd have to look at it seriously. One of our few positive contracts and should start at the SG slot rather than SF where he's physically outmatched.

JJ - Pretty disappointing season. Hoodwinked us with the late play last season and just never really seemed to get that aggression back. Can look great one game and pathetic the next, needs to iron out the inconsistencies in his game. Will be better placed once he can work off the bench again.

TJ - regressed this year. Can't handle the rock, but is a solid spot up option. Again, prefer him off the bench also. He's just not starter quality. We're stuck with him next year, but he may become a nice expiring contract the year after.

Winslow - Started shaky and looked iffy, but turned it around post-All Star. Think something may have started to click, and hopefully he can take the next step over the offseason as he works harder on his weaknesses. Think his weaknesses are magnified on this team due to the lack of offensive talent. Big decision looming on an extension offer for the FO.

Waiters - never looked right and should've had surgery last year. Worried about how Philly Cheese is gonna come back next season. Also would prefer him off the bench in Wade's current role, but doubt he'll settle for that.

Kelly - a really solid year. At times early it looked shaky, but proved invaluable post-All Star in particular. Spo obviously loves him, and offers a true stretch big with a solid floor game. Is terrible defensively though, and will need to work on limiting this next season.

Ellington - A career year, but he was found out mid-season. In the right system could be really solid, but we can't afford to be paying ANOTHER shooting guard decent money. Should take the money and run this offseason - probably to a contender.

Bam - outperformed my expectations this year. Didn't expect he'd find much of a role, but really gained the coaching staff's trust. His deficiencies showed as the season progressed, as teams scouted him more and he looked to hit the rookie wall. Big offseason looms for him to polish his offensive game, and work on positioning for rebounds.

Wade - Was so happy to have him back. Provided some iconic moments, but should go out while he's still playing solid basketball. Would hate to see him without a role here and just sitting on the bench. GOAT.

McGruder - Didn't get a huge look at it this year. Happy to bring him back on the team friendly contract, as he does fill a role. He's just not as good as some people thought he was.

Haslem - Lifer, but needs to hang them up. This is it - you made your money back from that cheaper 2010 contract. Needs to take over as an assistant and travel with the team, as his mentorship is important.

Babbit - Soz MWP, but your boy is probably a goner.

[ElDoggo]

Wade- player/coach
Hassan- Trade him
TJ- Trade him
Waiters - Keep or trade
Jrich - Keep or trade
Winslow - Keep or rade
Bam- Keep or Trade
JJ- Trade
Goran- Keep or Trade him
Kelly- Keep him
Luke - Keep
Haslem- Coach
Wayne- Keep

Lets trade headaches: Wiggins from Minnesota for Whiteside
Let's also take Kawhi Leonard from the Spurs for TJ, Winslow, Bam and Dragic

Potential target lineup:
Kelly/Mickey
JJ/Babbitt
Kawhi/Richardson
Wiggins/Ellington
Waiters/Wade

This is a fast, long positionless tweener team that features an all-nba in Kawhi and an up an coming Wiggins. 3 point shooting at every position can spread the floor like Houston and GSW. Probably more like a Spo team.

or

Lets get Randle from LA for Whiteside

Potential target lineup:
Kelly/Bam
Randle/JJ/Babbitt
Winslow/Richardson
Waiters/Johnson
Dragic/Wade

Just moving Whiteside for Randle but LA already has Lopez. This team is tougher inside but still lacks a great closer (Waiters/Dragic?)

Probably best to get Kawhi by all means.

[Sgt P]

I think our approach needs adjustment before moving any players. Spo has been great being reactionary. He reacted to losing to Mavs in the first year of the Big 3. He reacts well. There nothing wrong with that but that should not be the primary approach. We need to be more progressive. Like start employing a set system in place and then making the player chocies afterwards. We do not have bad talent but they are all over the place and they do not mesh well with each other. To get the team average players to excel there has to be a set system in place. Just my two cents.