Cleaning up after heroball

jambalaya · Post #1 » by **jambalaya** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:43 am

Presti talked like a Spur but designed and acted like an Ayn Rand worshipper of heroes. Westbrook is the piece that took it too far. Presti didn't check it, barely tried if at all. Prest's ego / insecurities / self-defense lead him to pick coaches who wouldn't challenge him. But he needed better partners to reach the highest achievement. That would have been more Spur like.

Post #2 » by **bondom34** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:45 am

Its all a failure if Donovan returns

Pillendreher · Post #3 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:49 am

He might be kept on board with that contract. 12 million left lol.

Osirus89 · Post #4 » by **Osirus89** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:54 am

Pillendreher wrote:He might be kept on board with that contract. 12 million left lol.

At some point you have to cut your losses. Its dead money either way. You might as well see if you can improve especially when there are better coaches available. Keeping him even in the face of abject failure is bordering on negligence.

We don't want to be stuck in a sunk cost fallacy.

Post #5 » by **bondom34** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:56 am

I still think they keep him and are a treadmill team. Ugh.

Pillendreher · Post #6 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:57 am

Osirus89 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:He might be kept on board with that contract. 12 million left lol.

At some point you have to cut your losses. Its dead money either way. You might as well see if you can improve especially when there are better coaches available. Keeping him even in the face of abject failure is bordering on negligence.

We don't want to be stuck in a sunk cost fallacy.

The sunk cost fallacy is literally what Presti has operated under most of the time (save the George trade).

jambalaya · Post #7 » by **jambalaya** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:08 am

There is a chance they come back and win it, maybe even as high as 20%. But there are deep seeded issues in many places. Without a significant new voice at Coach or Senior Adviser (or GM but that isn't happening anytime real soon) I don't see them going beyond the second round again. I doubt they get to it this season or next 3, maybe 5-7 years. Hang on to what you have or blow it all up? Not my call. Really the choice is blow-up what has already been compromised or wrecked or wait.

RalphSampsonJr · Post #8 » by **RalphSampsonJr** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:17 am

what is Sam to do from here?
Does anyone want to play with Russ?
Do we really have to have Melo for another year Taking up a quarter of the cap?!
With no 1st rounders and three guys eating all the cap i cant see how this team gets any where next year.
This was a gamble that backfired so badly for Sammy boi. I truely feel sorry for him. He did what EVERYONE thought was a good idea.
He needs to get real creative if he is to get out of this mess

Thundershock88 · Post #9 » by **Thundershock88** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:41 am

We are at a crossroads. It's over. Unfortunately, we are trapped in purgatory.

wco81 · Post #10 » by **wco81** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:50 am

How much higher ceiling does this roster have with a different coach?

Could they be champions, or win the WC, or get to the WC with Pop or some other coach?

bokoli · Post #11 » by **bokoli** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:50 am

I will never forget when durant was there and westbrook repeatingly shot 5,6 more shots...what a character

Ugly0598 · Post #12 » by **Ugly0598** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:06 am

bondom34 wrote:I still think they keep him and are a treadmill team. Ugh.

Whether you guys can come back from 3-1 or not, OKC is a treadmill team with Russ as the main guy if you ask me.

Pillendreher · Post #13 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:07 am

Read on Twitter

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No-Man · Post #14 » by **No-Man** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:49 am

I mean they can't really attack Utah, which is the problem, you don't have the offensive personnel to do it

InTheSabonus · Post #15 » by **InTheSabonus** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:03 am

wco81 wrote:How much higher ceiling does this roster have with a different coach?

Could they be champions, or win the WC, or get to the WC with Pop or some other coach?

I don't know. Maybe it's true that the ceiling of this team is extremely restricted with Russ leading the way.

But I just want to find out the answer to that question with a decent coach.

Post #16 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:50 am

wco81 wrote:How much higher ceiling does this roster have with a different coach?

Could they be champions, or win the WC, or get to the WC with Pop or some other coach?

I’m ok if we get rid of everyone and judge them by how they do elsewhere. I don’t really want to eliminate them one by one and slowly watch the same crap happen year after year.

spearsy23 · Post #17 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:58 pm

Next year is going to be the same team minus George, we're going the Memphis route.

Post #18 » by **bondom34** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:00 pm

UtahJazzFan88 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:I still think they keep him and are a treadmill team. Ugh.

Whether you guys can come back from 3-1 or not, OKC is a treadmill team with Russ as the main guy if you ask me.

If he's thus bad sure. If he's his normal self no. They weren't in the past and wouldn't be with a real coach and some talent if he played well. Not to be rude but probably not the time to pile on. And also not the time to think that he's ever been like this in the last 8 years.

But yeah that's a Cowherd esque opinion.

Post #19 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:46 pm

spearsy23 wrote:Next year is going to be the same team minus George, we're going the Memphis route.

Not wishing for injuries but if they happen, we’ll have a similar record with a chance for a top three pick. What sucks is if we had missed the playoffs and kept our pick, we likely would have been bad enough for the foreseeable future to never lose our frp that Minnesota has. It would have eventually became second round picks. The season has literally ended the worst way possible.

Post #20 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:50 pm

RalphSampsonJr wrote:what is Sam to do from here?
Does anyone want to play with Russ?
Do we really have to have Melo for another year Taking up a quarter of the cap?!
With no 1st rounders and three guys eating all the cap i cant see how this team gets any where next year.
This was a gamble that backfired so badly for Sammy boi. I truely feel sorry for him. He did what EVERYONE thought was a good idea.
He needs to get real creative if he is to get out of this mess

1- raise the incline on the treadmill
2- Kanter
3- welcome to the Terrance Ferguson era
4- I understand the George trade. He should have known better when it comes to Melo.
5- there is one option moving forward. He either accepts it or things get really bad.