Is jaylen Brown becoming untouchable in the offseason?

[Hybrid Shadow]

How dare you leave out Al Horford.

He's the boss, he doesn't go out in the field. I do have Smart as the driver though!

[Larry Legend 33]

I love Brown and who knows how good he’ll be. But watch the Kawhi highlights below and it is clear: Kawhi is bigger, faster, smoother, has a much better handle, has much better court vision, is an even better defender and has a much more reliable shot.

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Breaking news: 26 year old Kawhi Leonard is better than 21 year old Jaylen Brown.

Kawhi is 27, June 29

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Okay, is there something incorrect about the statement I made? Jaylen Brown is currently 21 and Kawhi is currently 26. Jaylen turns 22 in October, doesn't mean he's 22.

[Darth Celtic]

Not much in the future, now the answer is yes.

Of course for KD, AD and the likes you do it. Those guys aren't getting traded. KWL, no thank you.

[Edug27]

Not much in the future, now the answer is yes.

Of course for KD, AD and the likes you do it. Those guys aren't getting traded. KWL, no thank you.

It’s funny how most called Kawhi a top 3-4 player last year... not he’s not considered with the likes of AD.

[Darth Celtic]

Not much in the future, now the answer is yes.

Of course for KD, AD and the likes you do it. Those guys aren't getting traded. KWL, no thank you.

It’s funny how most called Kawhi a top 3-4 player last year... not he’s not considered with the likes of AD.

Maybe he is, but the cost of players JB and other good rotational players to make the money work, the picks needed to make the deal work, and the money over the lux tax keeping us from signing more free agents for a guy who is 6 years older, plays the same position, and sat out most the year is a questionable deal.

[BruceBanner18]

For my money, Jaylen Brown is special...he has stepped up his game in the playoffs averaging 24/6/2 with 1 steal shooting 51% and 46% only 1.3 turnovers and may have just delivered the best game of his career. On the road. In the playoffs. He imposed his will on game 4 and I don't think you can teach that. At 21, on this stage it's special. I can't wait to see what he's got for us tonight...

[sam_I_am]

I love Brown and who knows how good he’ll be. But watch the Kawhi highlights below and it is clear: Kawhi is bigger, faster, smoother, has a much better handle, has much better court vision, is an even better defender and has a much more reliable shot.

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Breaking news: 26 year old Kawhi Leonard is better than 21 year old Jaylen Brown.

I get your point but Jaylen may not get taller and I doubt he gets faster. And there is no guarantee that in 5 years he will improve enough to overcome the enormous gap in dribbling, shooting and passing that exists now. It’s like saying you wouldn’t trade Tatum for Durant.

And for the record, those highlights are 2 years old so that was age 24 Kawhi

[jmr07019]

I love Brown and who knows how good he’ll be. But watch the Kawhi highlights below and it is clear: Kawhi is bigger, faster, smoother, has a much better handle, has much better court vision, is an even better defender and has a much more reliable shot.

Watch on YouTube

Breaking news: 26 year old Kawhi Leonard is better than 21 year old Jaylen Brown.

I get your point but Jaylen may not get taller and I doubt he gets faster. And there is no guarantee that in 5 years he will improve enough to overcome the enormous gap in dribbling, shooting and passing that exists now. It’s like saying you wouldn’t trade Tatum for Durant.

And for the record, those highlights are 2 years old so that was age 24 Kawhi

FWIW BBall ref lists Kawhi and Jaylen at 6-7. I've always thought of Kawhi as closer to 6-8 or 6-9 and more of a SF/PF where as Brown is more SG/SF but that's what they are listed at.

I don't agree that Kawhi is faster or quicker. In fact I would give the edge to Jaylen.

The gap in shooting is minimal from 3 point range. When it comes to long 2's or shooting at the rim Kawhi is quite a bit better.

Kawhi is far superior to Jaylen when it comes to dribbling and passing and is a better overall player.

Given Jaylen's improvement over the 2 years that he's been here there is no reason to think he has plateaued. I expect him to be better next year.

Given the picks and addition players we'd have to send out as well as the lux tax implications of a Kawhi deal I'm not sure it makes sense.

[Larry Legend 33]

I love Brown and who knows how good he’ll be. But watch the Kawhi highlights below and it is clear: Kawhi is bigger, faster, smoother, has a much better handle, has much better court vision, is an even better defender and has a much more reliable shot.

Watch on YouTube

Breaking news: 26 year old Kawhi Leonard is better than 21 year old Jaylen Brown.

I get your point but Jaylen may not get taller and I doubt he gets faster. And there is no guarantee that in 5 years he will improve enough to overcome the enormous gap in dribbling, shooting and passing that exists now. It’s like saying you wouldn’t trade Tatum for Durant.

And for the record, those highlights are 2 years old so that was age 24 Kawhi

1) Jaylen and Kawhi are both listed at 6'7, why would Jaylen need to get taller to match Kawhi? Kawhi's size advantage comes from his wingspan (7'3 vs 7'0) and his freakishly large hands.
2) Those highlights are of the 16/17 season, so last year. Kawhi turned 26 in June 2017, so the highlights are of 25 year old Kawhi not 24 year old Kawhi?

People need to stop simplifying this thing as "Kawhi is better than Jaylen will become." Probably. BUT IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE. I can't say this enough times. Health and guaranteed contract length are important factors too. The tunnel vision when it comes to Kawhi is really absurd.

[BruceBanner18]

I love Brown and who knows how good he’ll be. But watch the Kawhi highlights below and it is clear: Kawhi is bigger, faster, smoother, has a much better handle, has much better court vision, is an even better defender and has a much more reliable shot.

Watch on YouTube

Breaking news: 26 year old Kawhi Leonard is better than 21 year old Jaylen Brown.

I get your point but Jaylen may not get taller and I doubt he gets faster. And there is no guarantee that in 5 years he will improve enough to overcome the enormous gap in dribbling, shooting and passing that exists now. It’s like saying you wouldn’t trade Tatum for Durant.

And for the record, those highlights are 2 years old so that was age 24 Kawhi

Yes it is...IF Durant had one year on his contract and just missed a season AND playoffs despite being cleared to play by Golden State due to a degenerative injury.

[Marvel]

I remember when he got drafted... It was pretty embarrassing on this board alone but everywhere too. I know I was wrong too for putting a few guys ahead of him; he's done a great job of proving a lot of people wrong. There's still some silly Jeff Green commentary from time to time but that's about it now. Most people like what they're seeing from JB.

If memory serves i had JB in my top 5. He has developed faster than what i expected him to be as a player and i love it.

You were a fan from what I remember as well.

Lots of people wanted to trade for Jimmy, including me. Ainge knows best.

Jimmy don't look too good. I don't know if it's knee but he looks slow right now. Glad that trade never materialised.

[Marvel]

classic.

[return2glory]

I’d like to see Jaylen have a go to move and create for others before I call him any close to untouchable.

[return2glory]

19, 22, 9, 24..

Thats the amount of shots Jaylen has taken per game in this series. With Kyrie, Hayward and an improved Tatum, he wont average close to that amount next season.. Will he be happy going back to a "developmental" prospect and role player?.. I dont get the sense that he would.

He seems to have an alpha personality and seems to also be prone to pouting. I think if the chance arises, you take a chance on the better current player that fits the timeline of your better players.. and allow Brown to flourish elsewhere vs competing with time and shots with 2 similarly talented wings and one who may already be better in Tatum(he's not, but its close)

Kawhi would step in and immediately be the best player on the team and best player in the East if LeBron leaves. Thats a larger disparity than even stats would display.

I think Jaylen is 2nd leading scorer next season even with Hayward back. I think Kyrie averages 22-23ppg, Jaylen averages 19-20ppg, Hayward 17-18ppg, Tatum 15ppg, Horford, Rozier and Morris all around 10-11ppg

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I think Tatum will average more points that Brown. Tatum should come back stronger and better. But a lot of it will depend on playing time and what Hayward looks like.

Useless Brown develops a go to shot during the summer, it’s going to be hard for him to score near 20 ppg on this team, especially with Hayward back.

[Fencer reregistered]

I’d like to see Jaylen have a go to move and create for others before I call him any close to untouchable.

I say again -- Jaylen will easily have as much offensive versatility as the Ray Allen/Reggie Miller kinds of players. He will also easily be their superior in defense. So he could quite conceivably match them in overall value without being any more of a "creator" than he is now.

For example, I watched the first 4 1/2 minutes of a video of Reggie Miller's career high-scoring game. There's nothing in there that Brown can't already do today (albeit with different techniques). It's just a question of consistency; the guys I named are all-time great scorers because they had all-time great consistency at fairly basic moves.

(As a bonus, this video features a flagrant foul committed against the often-annoying Reggie Miller, by none other than Steph Curry's dad.)

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[GoGreen]

If memory serves i had JB in my top 5. He has developed faster than what i expected him to be as a player and i love it.

You were a fan from what I remember as well.

Lots of people wanted to trade for Jimmy, including me. Ainge knows best.

Jimmy don't look too good. I don't know if it's knee but he looks slow right now. Glad that trade never materialised.

Was never a huge Jimmy fan myself. His game seems outdated, and a lot of Bulls fans weren't a fan of his lack of leadership. He could get hot from midrange, but he's not the kind of player that scares me in the sense that he's unstoppable or could take over a game.

[FlatearthZorro]

I love Brown and who knows how good he’ll be. But watch the Kawhi highlights below and it is clear: Kawhi is bigger, faster, smoother, has a much better handle, has much better court vision, is an even better defender and has a much more reliable shot.

Watch on YouTube

Kawhi is not bigger than Brown. He's probably 6'6-6'7 at best. He has freakish wingspan tho(Brown's around 7 feet, I think Kawhi's is longer).

[ddb]

For those of us old enough to have been through multiple eras of professional basketball, we have all witnessed young players develop into star players. For me, I'd like to think I have a pretty darn good grasp of evaluating NBA talent. For example, the moment Paul Pierce stepped on an NBA floor you knew he was special. I remember watching Rondo play garbage minutes in the preseason during his rookie season and saying to myself, "this kid is going to be GOOD." you get what I'm trying to say here....As it relates to Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum......these kids are STUDS. They will both be NBA All-Stars. We are literally witnessing Jaylen Brown's ascend into stardom. He has been arguably the 2nd best player in this series behind Giannis. Guys, he's 21 years old. This kid WANTS to be great. He wants to be an ambassador of the game globally. His mind, his talent and his work ethic are special. And that's just Jaylen Brown. Don't get me started with Jayson Tatum. This kid is ahead of the curve. He's a rookie doing things that rookies shouldn't do. And not only is he a rookie, he's a young rookie. He barely played in college. If I stopped watching professional basketball today and then picked it back up in 5 years having not watched or heard of a single thing about the NBA in between, I would be absolutely SHOCKED if Tatum wasn't a multiple time All-Star by that time.

Rozier is another one. He isn't a Tatum/Brown level prospect, but he is very good. He is a high caliber NBA player who brings toughness and fearlessness to the court.

Ainge has done a great job. A really great job drafting as of late. Gotta give him credit.

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The kid is definitely a stud. He always had the skill, just needed the confidence. And confidence comes with repetition.. trial and error. With Kyrie out, he is now in a position to play free. I always go back to what Durant said on the Bill Simmons podcast. As a high pick, you learn the most from being out there, making mistakes, playing through those mistakes, learning what you can and can't do, and having a green light to play your game. You would have seen more of these flashes from Jaylen last year had he played on a REAL lottery team rather than a ECF team.

He now has confidence in his shot. He feels he can make anything, from any spot, no matter who puts a hand in his face. He feels he can put the ball on the floor and drive on anyone.. no matter how good a defender you are. Once he continues to keep tightening up that handle, understanding where to place the ball on his passes, and not zoning out on defense... The dude will be an all star level player.

well said. I totally agree. I feel like the next big step Jaylen will take is continuing to work on his handle and also coming back next season with new moves. sounds obvious, but it's not. Not all players expand their offensive & defensive repertoire in the offseason. Only the good ones do. I think it's pretty clear that Jaylen has that work ethic to be great. I really hope Tatum/Brown continue to work out together and push each other this summer.

[PtruthP34]

JB is developing a nice post game. He can overpower any guard in the league and his fall away is already virtually unblockable. His drives are mostly straight-line but even adopting a simple upfake more consistently and figuring out when to go power and when to go finesse at the rim will add FT’s and points. I think his playmaking a creativity will improve as his handle does. Shooting off the dribble is a question, but with his first step, a step-back jumper seems like an easy move to add to his growing arsenal. I think he has the passing ability and mindset but is lacking the handle still to consistently create.

[The Corey's]

I’d like to see Jaylen have a go to move and create for others before I call him any close to untouchable.

I say again -- Jaylen will easily have as much offensive versatility as the Ray Allen/Reggie Miller kinds of players. He will also easily be their superior in defense. So he could quite conceivably match them in overall value without being any more of a "creator" than he is now.

For example, I watched the first 4 1/2 minutes of a video of Reggie Miller's career high-scoring game. There's nothing in there that Brown can't already do today (albeit with different techniques). It's just a question of consistency; the guys I named are all-time great scorers because they had all-time great consistency at fairly basic moves.

(As a bonus, this video features a flagrant foul committed against the often-annoying Reggie Miller, by none other than Steph Curry's dad.)

Watch on YouTube

Reggie Miller is one of the best shooters of all time with one of the prettiest and quickest shots.

Brown has improved but lets please not pretend like hes reggie Miller offensively. He hasn't even shown he can be. Its insulting to reggie.