Political Roundtable Part XX

[TGW]

OMG why did I have a Luvabull flashback when I saw this pic of Sanders?

yea that's one ugly mug

and uh, could you guys not quote STD please if it's not necessary? the troll block doesn't work when it's quoted unfortunately

[closg00]

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[stilldropin20]

interesting. and not surprisingly. follow the link above and you will see that Dat2U and TGW are admitted haters of MAGA solely because they didn't jump on board quickly. THEY BOTH WANTED TO JOIN MAGA!!!! Go look before they edit their posts!! But Alas they tidn't think quickly enough and go all in... AKA didn't think they were strong enough to withstand the arrows that would be slung.

So now they just hate. Guys, guys guys. its never too late. There is space for you. I'll save you a seat. For everyone. For all americans.

I actually think Dat2U makes a good point. There is a cottage industry of alt-right and/or pro-Trump charlatans who are pretending to jump on the bandwagon mostly just for fame and fortune. I am suspicious of many of them.

I've had an idea for years to craft a two panelist talk show that's sort of a hi-test Hannity and Colmes, with a couple of extremely acerbic wordsmiths, a lefty and a righty. A show so tightly scripted that each side lands every point efficiently and with maximum impact, such that partisan fans revere their champion for the harsh eloquence offered while hating the opponent for the caustic blasphemies delivered with equal eloquence.

Fans would tune in to love and to hate and each episode would be like a game where the lead changes with every possession and the winner depends on who you wanted to win. Could even amp up the drama by making the lefty a disabled war veteran and the rightly a Nigerian Muslim immigrant.

Not sure who the sponsors would be, maybe a chain of drug rehab centers.

at bold. "Possessions lead changes"

One show. instead of switching back and forth between Hannity and Lemon.

ok...so......moment of truth? I sold my electronic DJ equipment last year(which was traded in for my technics 1200's about 8 years ago) for a couple of mid level high def video cams and turned my living room into a TV studio. I got the entire chicago skyline as a back drop and floor to ceiling windows. And yes, I have been testing my matierial. who wants in!!???



but seriously. there is a vacuum right now for witty nuanced political conservative comedy content. Your post hits on that... huge vacuum for conservative comedy...everything is always liberal! Sad.

Gutfeld is the only true righty out there doing open and bold faced cons. comedy. And I like greg, but he is doing too much news and not enough comedy. the right needs like a Ben Stiller (dodgeball) character with a late night show. Just someone willing to go all in and make themselves part of the joke. I think it would totally take off.

CNN, MSNBC, FOX, SNL and all the late night pundits have become too predictable for years. No one is doing anything different. Mostly because the the big box news stores assume that there is not a large enough audience for a more nuanced show that goes deeper into the issues and the psyche of voters. everything is surface level...especially on CNN.

Speaking of CNN, My god. I just dont know how any of you guys can watch CNN and take them serious. They assume their audience is the dumbest muthaphuckas on earth. I would be offended. I watch them because I'm a sadistic phuck and like to see them slither around and squirm and spin. I mean, at least Fox pundits like Faulkner, Kilmeade, and others have some nuance. Liberals cant see it because they just get so...well....mad at the message on its surface and dont understand that quite a bit of Fox "news" has layers and is delievered with nuance for those that are daily followers. But CNN? Only Cuomo has anything at all for the "thinkers" when he isn't too busy being just another troll for the left.

and yeah...that's totally real...my living room is a total TV studio. My show: I'm trying to do the "fly Girls thing" where I have 3-4 millenial northwestern grads who are real sex workers as my hard core feminist liberals and do booty dances in between sets. 1 black lawyer whose parents are both federal judges and and me the brown doctor with crack head parents doing the conservatives. But I mostly i just want to do the comedy. This is harder than it looks because the libs get so damn mad all the time. Which could be good if they could also stay on message. when they arent mad they are laughing at my jokes. so we dont cover much ground and end just partying. which isn't necessarily a bad thing-and more proof that its better to grow up and make some cash. "No Ragrets"

[TGW]

So the terrorist who ran over people in Toronto was part of an alt-right group called "incel" or "involuntary celibate"--basically a bunch of nerds that bonded online because they couldn't get a woman to sleep with them.

Notice that Trump didn't say a gotdamn thing about it too (except for a fake tweet made by a staffer). Probably because the nerd wasn't muslim or brown skin.

[Zonkerbl]

I ask again, has *anything* in the Steele dossier been disproven?

Is that the new standard? Make an allegation without proof and it's up to the defense to disprove it? Guilty until proven innocent?

I heard you were a pedophile. Now disprove it.

Spoiler:

I don't actually think you are a pedophile and this is not an accusation. It's a rhetorical point.

You don’t get off that easy. Explain how the Nunes memo is anything other than a criminally misleading political hit job, given that the entirety of its argument rests on how laughably inaccurate the Steele dossier was? I ask, again, what in the Steele dossier has been disproven, that allowed nunes to fabricate his fantastically mendacious and traitorous memo?

[Zonkerbl]

So the terrorist who ran over people in Toronto was part of an alt-right group called "incel" or "involuntary celibate"--basically a bunch of nerds that bonded online because they couldn't get a woman to sleep with them.

Notice that Trump didn't say a gotdamn thing about it too (except for a fake tweet made by a staffer). Probably because the nerd wasn't muslim or brown skin.

OMG. Everything about that first paragraph is tragically hilarious. That’s online toxic masculinity culture to a “t.”

[nate33]

I ask again, has *anything* in the Steele dossier been disproven?

Is that the new standard? Make an allegation without proof and it's up to the defense to disprove it? Guilty until proven innocent?

I heard you were a pedophile. Now disprove it.

Spoiler:

I don't actually think you are a pedophile and this is not an accusation. It's a rhetorical point.

You don’t get off that easy. Explain how the Nunes memo is anything other than a criminally misleading political hit job, given that the entirety of its argument rests on how laughably inaccurate the Steele dossier was? I ask, again, what in the Steele dossier has been disproven, that allowed nunes to fabricate his fantastically mendacious and traitorous memo?

The entirety of its argument rests on how laughably unverified the Steele dossier was. All it would take is a couple of Russian operatives to have fed Steele disinformation. You don't wiretap a Presidential candidate based on the word of a couple of Russian "informants".

[JWizmentality]

Is that the new standard? Make an allegation without proof and it's up to the defense to disprove it? Guilty until proven innocent?

I heard you were a pedophile. Now disprove it.

Spoiler:

I don't actually think you are a pedophile and this is not an accusation. It's a rhetorical point.

You don’t get off that easy. Explain how the Nunes memo is anything other than a criminally misleading political hit job, given that the entirety of its argument rests on how laughably inaccurate the Steele dossier was? I ask, again, what in the Steele dossier has been disproven, that allowed nunes to fabricate his fantastically mendacious and traitorous memo?

The entirety of its argument rests on how laughably unverified the Steele dossier was. All it would take is a couple of Russian operatives to have fed Steele disinformation. You don't wiretap a Presidential candidate based on the word of a couple of Russian "informants".

Stop spreading lies. The dossier had nothing to do with it.


Fact: Much of the dossier has been proven.
Fact: Trump lied about how long he was in Moscow...pee pee tape looking real authentic now.

[gtn130]

Read on Twitter

Hilary gave speeches, both sides the same, etc.

[Wizardspride]

Read on Twitter

Hilary gave speeches, both sides the same, etc.

Draining the swamp....

[TGW]

It's been rough for Sean hack Hannity the past few days. Mr. "Big Government is bad" outed receiving HUD loans...what a friggin' hack.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-hannity-defends-real-estate-portfolio_us_5addf7a7e4b0df502a4e0b52

and on another note, fake liberal Bill Maher had fake philosoph Jordan Peterson on his show, and gives us this gem of stupidity in response to Trump's politics:

Watch on YouTube

Really...so George Bush was respectable when he lied america into multiple wars, but Trump is unacceptable because he tweets a lot? GTFOH

[JWizmentality]

It's been rough for Sean hack Hannity the past few days. Mr. "Big Government is bad" outed receiving HUD loans...what a friggin' hack.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-hannity-defends-real-estate-portfolio_us_5addf7a7e4b0df502a4e0b52

There is something very sick and evil about these people who rail against the poor, yet this POS makes 30 million a year and is getting loans from HUD.

[Pointgod]

Read on Twitter

Hilary gave speeches, both sides the same, etc.

Waiting for the both sides people to find a way to blame this on Elizabeth Warren and the Democrats.

[TGW]

Read on Twitter

Hilary gave speeches, both sides the same, etc.

Waiting for the both sides people to find a way to blame this on Elizabeth Warren and the Democrats.

Uh, Elizabeth Warren is one of the very few Democrats who is squeaky clean. The other ones OTOH, not so much.

I noticed that resident liberal goof gtn sarcastically mentioned Hillary in his post like she's not the most notorious pay-for-play abuser in politics. Uh sorry to break it to you bitch, but Hillary used Haiti for P2P for years...just read the leaked wikileaks emails.

[closg00]

The entirety of its argument rests on how laughably unverified the Steele dossier was. All it would take is a couple of Russian operatives to have fed Steele disinformation. You don't wiretap a Presidential candidate based on the word of a couple of Russian "informants".

Nate, you have falsely asserted repeatedly that the Steele dossier is unverified, this is not accurate. Parts of the dossier have indeed been verified. Among the verified dossier claims:

The Kremlin targeted educated youth and swing-state voters during its cyberattacks: verified. This has been proven by congressional investigations into Russia's misinformation campaigns.

Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with representatives of Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft: verified. The House intelligence committee released a transcript of Page's testimony revealing he did meet with Rosneft officials during a trip to Moscow in 2016.

Among the dossier claims that are unverified but look money now:

Alleged Cohen Prague trip

It was alleged that Trumps "Fixer" Michael Cohen went to Prague in August 2016 to meet with Russians to clean-up loose ends on Trump/Russia collusion. This allegation was made long before Cohen's role as "fixer" became widely known.
In any case. Cohen swore up and down that he had never been to Prague and filed a law suit against Vox puffing his chest out.

1. Cohen dropped the suit (Vox would have had discovery)
2. Mueller allegedly has information the Cohen was indeed in Prague, therefore moving another Dossier claim into the likely verified category.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article208870264.html


Re: The Golden Shower Allegation:

1. Trump has offered to pay woman for sex according to several women
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-23/ex-playmate-says-donald-trump-offered-to-pay-her-after-sex
2. Trump had sex with a porn star
3. Trumps Bodyguard testified that Trump was offered Russian prostitutes during his Russian visit, but that it was turned-down.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-bodyguard-testifies-russian-offered-trump-women-was-turned-down-n819386

I posit that Trumps loyal bodyguard lied to protect Trump. The bodyguard was subsequently given a $15,000 a month "consulting job", paid from an RNC slush fund. The bodyguard was rewarded for his loyalty.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/21/trumps-ex-bodyguard-makes-15000-a-month-from-a-gop-slush-fund.html

Trump turned-down an offer of "beautiful Russian prostitutes"? A man that prefers Eastern European women, who offers money for sex, who has sex with porn stars? The only thing missing is the tape
Trumps lie that he did not spend the night in Russia has recently been debunked.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-russia-dossier-pee-tape-prostitutes-flight-records-moscow-christopher-steele-james-comey-memos-a8319731.html

Go-through the entire list of dossier allegations and compare them to what we know now. The dossier is looking more and more credible, who knows how-many more of the allegations Mueller has been able to verify behind the scenes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier

[nate33]

The entirety of its argument rests on how laughably unverified the Steele dossier was. All it would take is a couple of Russian operatives to have fed Steele disinformation. You don't wiretap a Presidential candidate based on the word of a couple of Russian "informants".

Nate, you have falsely asserted repeatedly that the Steele dossier is unverified, this is not accurate. Parts of the dossier have indeed been verified. Among the verified dossier claims:

The Kremlin targeted educated youth and swing-state voters during its cyberattacks: verified. This has been proven by congressional investigations into Russia's misinformation campaigns.

Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with representatives of Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft: verified. The House intelligence committee released a transcript of Page's testimony revealing he did meet with Rosneft officials during a trip to Moscow in 2016.

Among the dossier claims that are unverified but look money now:

Alleged Cohen Prague trip

It was alleged that Trumps "Fixer" Michael Cohen went to Prague in August 2016 to meet with Russians to clean-up loose ends on Trump/Russia collusion. This allegation was made long before Cohen's role as "fixer" became widely known.
In any case. Cohen swore up and down that he had never been to Prague and filed a law suit against Vox puffing his chest out.

1. Cohen dropped the suit (Vox would have had discovery)
2. Mueller allegedly has information the Cohen was indeed in Prague, therefore moving another Dossier claim into the likely verified category.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article208870264.html


Re: The Golden Shower Allegation:

1. Trump has offered to pay woman for sex according to several women
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-23/ex-playmate-says-donald-trump-offered-to-pay-her-after-sex
2. Trump had sex with a porn star
3. Trumps Bodyguard testified that Trump was offered Russian prostitutes during his Russian visit, but that it was turned-down.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-bodyguard-testifies-russian-offered-trump-women-was-turned-down-n819386

I posit that Trumps loyal bodyguard lied to protect Trump. The bodyguard was subsequently given a $15,000 a month "consulting job", paid from an RNC slush fund. The bodyguard was rewarded for his loyalty.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/21/trumps-ex-bodyguard-makes-15000-a-month-from-a-gop-slush-fund.html

Trump turned-down an offer of "beautiful Russian prostitutes"? A man that prefers Eastern European women, who offers money for sex, who has sex with porn stars? The only thing missing is the tape
Trumps lie that he did not spend the night in Russia has recently been debunked.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-russia-dossier-pee-tape-prostitutes-flight-records-moscow-christopher-steele-james-comey-memos-a8319731.html

Go-through the entire list of dossier allegations and compare them to what we know now. The dossier is looking more and more credible, who knows how-many more of the allegations Mueller has been able to verify behind the scenes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier

The McClatchy story is based on unnamed sources. And at this point, I have no faith in unnamed sources discussing the Trump/Russia collusion. They have been wrong too many times. I will cede that if it is indeed true that Michael Cohen was indeed in Prague and he lied about it, it would raise a lot of red flags. I'm just not prepared to believe the story yet.

Your so called proof backing the golden shower allegation is very thin and circumstantial. It is not surprising to me that Trump's bodyguard, who was being paid $165,000 a year when working for Trump, got a gig with the RNC for $180,000 a year after Trump no longer needed him. That's not proof of anything shady whatsoever.

And the fact that Trump has sex with porn stars leads me to believe he didn't do anything with Russian prostitutes because he doesn't need to pay for it.

Finally, we can see that Trump is immune to shame, so the fact that there were some number of encounters with beautiful women doesn't seem like it would be much leverage to blackmail Trump.

[Pointgod]

Read on Twitter

Hilary gave speeches, both sides the same, etc.

Waiting for the both sides people to find a way to blame this on Elizabeth Warren and the Democrats.

Uh, Elizabeth Warren is one of the very few Democrats who is squeaky clean. The other ones OTOH, not so much.

I noticed that resident liberal goof gtn sarcastically mentioned Hillary in his post like she's not the most notorious pay-for-play abuser in politics. Uh sorry to break it to you bitch, but Hillary used Haiti for P2P for years...just read the leaked wikileaks emails.

Lol wikileaks.

[Wizardspride]

The entirety of its argument rests on how laughably unverified the Steele dossier was. All it would take is a couple of Russian operatives to have fed Steele disinformation. You don't wiretap a Presidential candidate based on the word of a couple of Russian "informants".

Nate, you have falsely asserted repeatedly that the Steele dossier is unverified, this is not accurate. Parts of the dossier have indeed been verified. Among the verified dossier claims:

The Kremlin targeted educated youth and swing-state voters during its cyberattacks: verified. This has been proven by congressional investigations into Russia's misinformation campaigns.

Trump campaign adviser Carter Page met with representatives of Russian state-owned oil giant Rosneft: verified. The House intelligence committee released a transcript of Page's testimony revealing he did meet with Rosneft officials during a trip to Moscow in 2016.

Among the dossier claims that are unverified but look money now:

Alleged Cohen Prague trip

It was alleged that Trumps "Fixer" Michael Cohen went to Prague in August 2016 to meet with Russians to clean-up loose ends on Trump/Russia collusion. This allegation was made long before Cohen's role as "fixer" became widely known.
In any case. Cohen swore up and down that he had never been to Prague and filed a law suit against Vox puffing his chest out.

1. Cohen dropped the suit (Vox would have had discovery)
2. Mueller allegedly has information the Cohen was indeed in Prague, therefore moving another Dossier claim into the likely verified category.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article208870264.html


Re: The Golden Shower Allegation:

1. Trump has offered to pay woman for sex according to several women
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-23/ex-playmate-says-donald-trump-offered-to-pay-her-after-sex
2. Trump had sex with a porn star
3. Trumps Bodyguard testified that Trump was offered Russian prostitutes during his Russian visit, but that it was turned-down.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-bodyguard-testifies-russian-offered-trump-women-was-turned-down-n819386

I posit that Trumps loyal bodyguard lied to protect Trump. The bodyguard was subsequently given a $15,000 a month "consulting job", paid from an RNC slush fund. The bodyguard was rewarded for his loyalty.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/21/trumps-ex-bodyguard-makes-15000-a-month-from-a-gop-slush-fund.html

Trump turned-down an offer of "beautiful Russian prostitutes"? A man that prefers Eastern European women, who offers money for sex, who has sex with porn stars? The only thing missing is the tape
Trumps lie that he did not spend the night in Russia has recently been debunked.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-russia-dossier-pee-tape-prostitutes-flight-records-moscow-christopher-steele-james-comey-memos-a8319731.html

Go-through the entire list of dossier allegations and compare them to what we know now. The dossier is looking more and more credible, who knows how-many more of the allegations Mueller has been able to verify behind the scenes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier

https://www.justsecurity.org/44697/steele-dossier-knowing/

Additionally:

the Trump Administration’s effort lift sanctions on Russia immediately following the inauguration seems to mirror Orbis reporting related to Mr. Cohen’s promises to Russia, as reported in the Orbis documents. A June 2017 Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff described the Administration’s efforts to engage the State Department about lifting sanctions “almost as soon as they took office.” Their efforts were halted by State Department officials and members of Congress. Following the inauguration, Cohen was involved, again with Felix Sater, to engage in back-channel negotiations seeking a means to lift sanctions via a semi-developed Russian-Ukrainian plan (which also included the hand delivery of derogatory information on Ukrainian leaders) also fits with Orbis reporting related to Cohen.

The quid pro quo as alleged in the dossier was for the Trump team to “sideline” the Ukrainian issue in the campaign. We learned subsequently the Trump platform committee changed only a single plank in the 60-page Republican platform prior to the Republican convention. Of the hundreds of Republican positions and proposals, they altered only the single sentence that called for maintaining or increasing sanctions against Russia, increasing aid for Ukraine and “providing lethal defensive weapons” to the Ukrainian military. The Trump team changed the wording to the more benign, “appropriate assistance.”

[montestewart]

And the fact that Trump has sex with porn stars leads me to believe he didn't do anything with Russian prostitutes because he doesn't need to pay for it.

Maybe he didn't pay for it. Possibly a Putin gift basket? Besides, the president may just take a page from Trump supporter Charlie Sheen's playbook, where Sheen says: "I don't pay prostitutes to have sex with me. I pay them to leave afterwords."

[gtn130]

Uh, Elizabeth Warren is one of the very few Democrats who is squeaky clean. The other ones OTOH, not so much.

I noticed that resident liberal goof gtn sarcastically mentioned Hillary in his post like she's not the most notorious pay-for-play abuser in politics. Uh sorry to break it to you bitch, but Hillary used Haiti for P2P for years...just read the leaked wikileaks emails.

Dude, you're laughably ignorant. Like, you have literally no idea what you're talking about.

Bolded is completely wrong. Clintons lead an inefficient recovery effort in Haiti and gave contracts to people they had worked with in the past. Your conclusion that routine US foreign policy / foreign aid practices equate to PAY TO PLAY is wrong on its face and totally unsubstantiated.

Please cite with verifiable evidence that Hillary Clinton is 'the most notorious pay-for-play abuser in politics'. I'll wait.