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Post#181 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:18 am

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Years90Suns wrote:If we get the first pick, I would select Ayton. He is much different physically. He can shoot, run, block shots and especialy he can defend a C and a PF. He is 7-1 and can create his own shot.
If we get the number 2 pick and Ayton is gone, then I would select Doncic. I believe he is the best basketball player in this year's draft, but I am not sure he can show that on a court due to his relative lack of athleticism. He really has an advantage over the rest of the players thanks to his playing time in professional basketball, but that will level up with time.
He is intelligent, he can shoot, can handle the ball very well for a 6-8/6-9 player. He is already a little overweight while still 18. He has a tendency to gain weight.
He is the best player available right now, but he does not play the position that best fits us. Actually, we have JJ, we have Warren and we have Booker. All three play where Doncic can play.

Good players are going to adapt, no doubt. For the moment I believe he would be our sixth man and he should share the court with JJ and Booker, with JJ taking the opposing PG.

Doncic is growing by the day! Now he is 6-9!


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Come the start of the 2019 season, he's going to be 7'1 8-)
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Post#182 » by Saberestar » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:53 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
Years90Suns wrote:If we get the first pick, I would select Ayton. He is much different physically. He can shoot, run, block shots and especialy he can defend a C and a PF. He is 7-1 and can create his own shot.
If we get the number 2 pick and Ayton is gone, then I would select Doncic. I believe he is the best basketball player in this year's draft, but I am not sure he can show that on a court due to his relative lack of athleticism. He really has an advantage over the rest of the players thanks to his playing time in professional basketball, but that will level up with time.
He is intelligent, he can shoot, can handle the ball very well for a 6-8/6-9 player. He is already a little overweight while still 18. He has a tendency to gain weight.
He is the best player available right now, but he does not play the position that best fits us. Actually, we have JJ, we have Warren and we have Booker. All three play where Doncic can play.

Good players are going to adapt, no doubt. For the moment I believe he would be our sixth man and he should share the court with JJ and Booker, with JJ taking the opposing PG.

Doncic is growing by the day! Now he is 6-9!


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Come the start of the 2019 season, he's going to be 7'1 8-)

:D

In all seriousness, Doncic is actually around 6'7 and 6'8. Probably closer to 6'7.

His height, weight and body type is similar to Andres Nocioni IMO, who played for the Chicago Bulls and Real Madrid.
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Post#183 » by Fo-Real » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:44 pm

Saberestar wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:Doncic is growing by the day! Now he is 6-9!


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Come the start of the 2019 season, he's going to be 7'1 8-)

:D

In all seriousness, Doncic is actually around 6'7 and 6'8. Probably closer to 6'7.

His height, weight and body type is similar to Andres Nocioni IMO, who played for the Chicago Bulls and Real Madrid.


As I have compared him to before, he is roughly like Bojan Bogdanovic, 6"8 230 lbs
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Post#184 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:18 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Come the start of the 2019 season, he's going to be 7'1 8-)

:D

In all seriousness, Doncic is actually around 6'7 and 6'8. Probably closer to 6'7.

His height, weight and body type is similar to Andres Nocioni IMO, who played for the Chicago Bulls and Real Madrid.


As I have compared him to before, he is roughly like Bojan Bogdanovic, 6"8 230 lbs


As for past Suns, probably about the size Joe Johnson was when here.
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Post#185 » by Bogyo » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:28 pm

Doncic
Ayton
Young
Bagley

The rest is all tied up in my eyes, and could go either way. In some ways I wouldn't be totally shocked if Bagley turned out the best of the bunch... But in all likelyness one of these 4 will be the best from this class when it's all said and done.

As for Doncic not being athletic... yeah, dude has some baby fat (like Book used to with the chubby face), but check this:

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Post#186 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:39 pm

Bogyo wrote:Doncic
Ayton
Young
Bagley

The rest is all tied up in my eyes, and could go either way. In some ways I wouldn't be totally shocked if Bagley turned out the best of the bunch... But in all likelyness one of these 4 will be the best from this class when it's all said and done.

As for Doncic not being athletic... yeah, dude has some baby fat (like Book used to with the chubby face), but check this:


That’s all ya got for Doncic being athletic? That is a play most of the NBA could make.


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Post#187 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:07 pm

This is fairly close to mine though about the top 11-12. Probably swap Trae and JJJ and Bagley/Bamba. Then move Robert Williams and Mitchell Robinson right after Jontay. If we get Ayton/JJJ/Bamba move Shai and maybe Sexton up instead of Williams/Robinson.

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Post#188 » by TheLogician » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:13 am

The only way Doncic belongs in the top tier by himself is if you think he is a PG. IMO, he's an oversized SG like Booker. It'd be a mistake to double up there when we have black holes at 1, 4, and 5.
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Post#189 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:25 am

TheLogician wrote:The only way Doncic belongs in the top tier by himself is if you think he is a PG. IMO, he's an oversized SG like Booker. It'd be a mistake to double up there when we have black holes at 1, 4, and 5.

I think he's a top tier prospect whether you consider him a 1, 2 or 3. His ability to shoot, pass and creating offense gives him attributes which make him valuable at all three positions imo. His ability to defend will potentially limit him to the 2 or the 3 where opposing players aren't as quick as 1's. I don't think there's a reason why we can't play Doncic/Booker/JJ together with those three splitting PG duties.

We definitely have holes at the 1, 4 and 5 and that's why I think McD will go with Ayton if we ended up with the top pick but if it was up to me, I'd still go for BPA because I don't think this roster is even close to being set.
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Post#190 » by TheLogician » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:44 am

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TheLogician wrote:The only way Doncic belongs in the top tier by himself is if you think he is a PG. IMO, he's an oversized SG like Booker. It'd be a mistake to double up there when we have black holes at 1, 4, and 5.

I think he's a top tier prospect whether you consider him a 1, 2 or 3. His ability to shoot, pass and creating offense gives him attributes which make him valuable at all three positions imo. His ability to defend will potentially limit him to the 2 or the 3 where opposing players aren't as quick as 1's. I don't think there's a reason why we can't play Doncic/Booker/JJ together with those three splitting PG duties.

We definitely have holes at the 1, 4 and 5 and that's why I think McD will go with Ayton if we ended up with the top pick but if it was up to me, I'd still go for BPA because I don't think this roster is even close to being set.


Doncic/Booker/JJ aren't PGs. None of them can handle the basketball. We need players who have specific roles even if they play multiple positions. That's how a team is built. It doesn't matter if Doncic is the most talented player on the planet if we are getting killed inside and turn the ball over every other time down the court.
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Post#191 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:05 am

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TheLogician wrote:The only way Doncic belongs in the top tier by himself is if you think he is a PG. IMO, he's an oversized SG like Booker. It'd be a mistake to double up there when we have black holes at 1, 4, and 5.

I think he's a top tier prospect whether you consider him a 1, 2 or 3. His ability to shoot, pass and creating offense gives him attributes which make him valuable at all three positions imo. His ability to defend will potentially limit him to the 2 or the 3 where opposing players aren't as quick as 1's. I don't think there's a reason why we can't play Doncic/Booker/JJ together with those three splitting PG duties.

We definitely have holes at the 1, 4 and 5 and that's why I think McD will go with Ayton if we ended up with the top pick but if it was up to me, I'd still go for BPA because I don't think this roster is even close to being set.


Doncic/Booker/JJ aren't PGs. None of them can handle the basketball. We need players who have specific roles even if they play multiple positions. That's how a team is built. It doesn't matter if Doncic is the most talented player on the planet if we are getting killed inside and turn the ball over every other time down the court.

Why can't they handle the basketball? We've already seen Booker run plays and handle the ball as a pseudo-PG to mixed results but he was also a little inexperienced in that respect and I would say the same for JJ. So I wouldn't want to see Booker or JJ playing the point full time but in spurts or even part time, I dno't see an issue. Doncic is probably the closest to a PG of the 3, having had a lot of experience in that role in Europe but he can also play off the ball just fine with his shooting abilities and his bball IQ.

I think what you're saying about needing players with specific roles isn't right, especially in the draft because what you're describing is a role player; a guy who comes in, has a specific skillset for a specific role. But that's not necessarily the best player we could draft. We can fill roles with role player level type players later in the draft or in free agency. In the draft, you're looking to draft the BPA not for need. You don't pass on the the BPA to draft a role player to plug your hole at the 1, 4 or 5. That's why Ayton makes a lot of sense, he's the BPA in many people's books and he also fills a need at the 5. But I certainly wouldn't draft for need because no one prospect is going to fill all the needs on this team unless Ayton somehow can also be a DPOY level defender all of a sudden.
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Post#192 » by Villalobos » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:14 am

Even if Doncic at PG doesn't work, you still pick him. There's no guarantee Josh Jackson improves like everyone hopes.
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Post#193 » by sunsbum » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:57 am

LiAngelo Ball is prepping for the draft llllloooooolllll. What a clown fiesta lavar runs.
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Post#194 » by TheLogician » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:01 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
TheLogician wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I think he's a top tier prospect whether you consider him a 1, 2 or 3. His ability to shoot, pass and creating offense gives him attributes which make him valuable at all three positions imo. His ability to defend will potentially limit him to the 2 or the 3 where opposing players aren't as quick as 1's. I don't think there's a reason why we can't play Doncic/Booker/JJ together with those three splitting PG duties.

We definitely have holes at the 1, 4 and 5 and that's why I think McD will go with Ayton if we ended up with the top pick but if it was up to me, I'd still go for BPA because I don't think this roster is even close to being set.


Doncic/Booker/JJ aren't PGs. None of them can handle the basketball. We need players who have specific roles even if they play multiple positions. That's how a team is built. It doesn't matter if Doncic is the most talented player on the planet if we are getting killed inside and turn the ball over every other time down the court.

Why can't they handle the basketball? We've already seen Booker run plays and handle the ball as a pseudo-PG to mixed results but he was also a little inexperienced in that respect and I would say the same for JJ. So I wouldn't want to see Booker or JJ playing the point full time but in spurts or even part time, I dno't see an issue. Doncic is probably the closest to a PG of the 3, having had a lot of experience in that role in Europe but he can also play off the ball just fine with his shooting abilities and his bball IQ.

I think what you're saying about needing players with specific roles isn't right, especially in the draft because what you're describing is a role player; a guy who comes in, has a specific skillset for a specific role. But that's not necessarily the best player we could draft. We can fill roles with role player level type players later in the draft or in free agency. In the draft, you're looking to draft the BPA not for need. You don't pass on the the BPA to draft a role player to plug your hole at the 1, 4 or 5. That's why Ayton makes a lot of sense, he's the BPA in many people's books and he also fills a need at the 5. But I certainly wouldn't draft for need because no one prospect is going to fill all the needs on this team unless Ayton somehow can also be a DPOY level defender all of a sudden.


I think we're probably talking past each other. Every player has a role even if they have no defined position. It's a matter of division of labor and comparative advantages. LeBron is the only player talented enough to do everything at an elite level. I think Luka is similar to Booker and that is nothing to scoff at. We just can't draft another Booker at the expense of other needs.
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Post#195 » by kennydorglas » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:04 am

sunsbum wrote:LiAngelo Ball is prepping for the draft llllloooooolllll. What a clown fiesta lavar runs.


And he took LaMelo away from that Lithuanian team too lol
Had a beef with their coach and his punishment is taking LaMelo away from them ahahha
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Post#196 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:27 am

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Doncic/Booker/JJ aren't PGs. None of them can handle the basketball. We need players who have specific roles even if they play multiple positions. That's how a team is built. It doesn't matter if Doncic is the most talented player on the planet if we are getting killed inside and turn the ball over every other time down the court.

Why can't they handle the basketball? We've already seen Booker run plays and handle the ball as a pseudo-PG to mixed results but he was also a little inexperienced in that respect and I would say the same for JJ. So I wouldn't want to see Booker or JJ playing the point full time but in spurts or even part time, I dno't see an issue. Doncic is probably the closest to a PG of the 3, having had a lot of experience in that role in Europe but he can also play off the ball just fine with his shooting abilities and his bball IQ.

I think what you're saying about needing players with specific roles isn't right, especially in the draft because what you're describing is a role player; a guy who comes in, has a specific skillset for a specific role. But that's not necessarily the best player we could draft. We can fill roles with role player level type players later in the draft or in free agency. In the draft, you're looking to draft the BPA not for need. You don't pass on the the BPA to draft a role player to plug your hole at the 1, 4 or 5. That's why Ayton makes a lot of sense, he's the BPA in many people's books and he also fills a need at the 5. But I certainly wouldn't draft for need because no one prospect is going to fill all the needs on this team unless Ayton somehow can also be a DPOY level defender all of a sudden.


I think we're probably talking past each other. Every player has a role even if they have no defined position. It's a matter of division of labor and comparative advantages. LeBron is the only player talented enough to do everything at an elite level. I think Luka is similar to Booker and that is nothing to scoff at. We just can't draft another Booker at the expense of other needs.

There is some overlapping skillsets there which I've acknowledged in the past and considered it a reason for not drafting Doncic but when Doncic appears to be a clear BPA and worth of the #1 pick, I think that garners serious consideration even if we have players in those positions he plays already. Ayton makes sense and I wouldn't be opposed to drafting him because he also fits a need but if Doncic really is as good as advertised, why couldn't he play the PG, a position of need for us? He's far more of a natural PG than anyone on the team outside of Payton and I guess Ulis so I don't really see an issue there. IMO, Booker's best used as an off-guard anyway
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Post#197 » by dremill24 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:48 pm

What is this issue with overlapping skill sets? If it’s a useful skill then why wouldn’t you want more? Do the Warriors complain that the wing defense brought by Klay and Iguodala overlap too much? Or that Draymond and Steph’s playmaking abilities are too redundant? And god forbid the duplicated shooting ability of KD, Steph, and Klay...
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Post#198 » by pokerface3 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:22 am

Bogyo wrote:Doncic
Ayton
Young
Bagley

The rest is all tied up in my eyes, and could go either way. In some ways I wouldn't be totally shocked if Bagley turned out the best of the bunch... But in all likelyness one of these 4 will be the best from this class when it's all said and done.

As for Doncic not being athletic... yeah, dude has some baby fat (like Book used to with the chubby face), but check this:



A lot of fans knock Doncic because he's not jumping out of the gym but he's athletic 'enough'. He plays the game smart and has great court vision.

BTW Nash wasn't athletic either.
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Post#199 » by pokerface3 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:34 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
TheLogician wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Why can't they handle the basketball? We've already seen Booker run plays and handle the ball as a pseudo-PG to mixed results but he was also a little inexperienced in that respect and I would say the same for JJ. So I wouldn't want to see Booker or JJ playing the point full time but in spurts or even part time, I dno't see an issue. Doncic is probably the closest to a PG of the 3, having had a lot of experience in that role in Europe but he can also play off the ball just fine with his shooting abilities and his bball IQ.

I think what you're saying about needing players with specific roles isn't right, especially in the draft because what you're describing is a role player; a guy who comes in, has a specific skillset for a specific role. But that's not necessarily the best player we could draft. We can fill roles with role player level type players later in the draft or in free agency. In the draft, you're looking to draft the BPA not for need. You don't pass on the the BPA to draft a role player to plug your hole at the 1, 4 or 5. That's why Ayton makes a lot of sense, he's the BPA in many people's books and he also fills a need at the 5. But I certainly wouldn't draft for need because no one prospect is going to fill all the needs on this team unless Ayton somehow can also be a DPOY level defender all of a sudden.


I think we're probably talking past each other. Every player has a role even if they have no defined position. It's a matter of division of labor and comparative advantages. LeBron is the only player talented enough to do everything at an elite level. I think Luka is similar to Booker and that is nothing to scoff at. We just can't draft another Booker at the expense of other needs.

There is some overlapping skillsets there which I've acknowledged in the past and considered it a reason for not drafting Doncic but when Doncic appears to be a clear BPA and worth of the #1 pick, I think that garners serious consideration even if we have players in those positions he plays already. Ayton makes sense and I wouldn't be opposed to drafting him because he also fits a need but if Doncic really is as good as advertised, why couldn't he play the PG, a position of need for us? He's far more of a natural PG than anyone on the team outside of Payton and I guess Ulis so I don't really see an issue there. IMO, Booker's best used as an off-guard anyway


Not only could Doncic play pg but he would blend better with Booker than if we drafted Young. Plus I whole heartedly agree that Doncic is BPA. He's more tested than the "one and done" players and already proved he has a wide range of skills and is probably more NBA ready than most in this draft. Plus he's clutch and I view him as a winner.
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Post#200 » by pokerface3 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:41 am

I really like Ayton don't get me wrong but I think Doncic would make the suns run like a well oiled machine.

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