ECSF: P1 | (2) Boston Celtics vs Philadelphia 76ers (3) | BOS 1-0

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Series Prediction

Celtics in 4
10
3%
Celtics in 5
14
4%
Celtics in 6
35
11%
Celtics in 7
70
22%
76ers in 4
17
5%
76ers in 5
54
17%
76ers in 6
108
33%
76ers in 7
17
5%
 
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Post#201 » by hookshot199 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:04 pm

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kuclas wrote:The Celtics (healthy lineup) of Hayward, Tatum, Kyrie, Brown, Horford on paper is better than the sixers lineup of Reddick, Simmons, embiid, saric, Covington

For the future. It depends on how the best players of each teams play. Cause if Simmons and Embiid perform at max level (aka playoff Lebron). Having the two best players playing at max level with beat any max level of the Celtics starting 5.

But chances are embiid/Simmons won’t perform at max level every game. So the core Celtics likely have the best regular season record next year. I expect them to win 58-63 games with a healthy roster.

Sixers will be between 49-55 games (in my opinion)

Reallly depends how these teams beat up on lesser/tanking teams.

Like Toronto having the best record in the east primarily destroying tanking/losing teams. Toronto was like 34-2 against those teams. So Toronto only needs to go .500 against winning teams.

Celtics will be more consistent.

Now when it comes playoffs time. If embiid/Simmons perform to max level. I think sixers are favored over max performing Celtics healthy team.

Like how max performing Lebron is willing cavaliers over pacers who are clearly the better team. But max Lebron is better than the pacers team performance.


Usually that is the case but teams like the pistons, warriors in 2015 and spurs have beaten superior talents. And Shaq and Kobe are so much better than billups and sheed. If you wanna say embiid and Simmons are better than kyrie and Hayward(which remains to be seen) it’s not by that margin and the rest is clearly better for the Celtics. Not to mention brown or Tatum could be one of our two best players going forward.


You still don't have a front court. Horford turns 32 in June and you got great play out of Baynes. You have a 2.9% chance to get a two or three pick in this year's draft. Not likely, but possible. More problematic, Horford's $30 mil doesn't come off the books until after the 2019-2020 season. If Embiid stays healthy, who defends him? Yes, Embiid turns the ball over more than he should, but he's a good passer and he makes more than 75% of his free throws - and he's a magnet for drawing fouls.
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Post#202 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:14 pm

PierceFan4ever wrote:Hayward being a little better than Dario Saric? Lmaoooo :lol:

I get it Sixers fans. You’ve been trash for 5 years let all the homer takes out right now


Hayward is a 1 time All-Star. The way Celtics fans talk about him you'd think peak Bird was returning to Boston. Saric isn't on Hayward's level yet but it's not unrealistic to believe he will be in the not-so-distant future.
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Post#203 » by Snotbubbles » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:16 pm

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Let's calm the **** down on Hayward okay. He played all of 5 minutes before a season ending injury. You have no idea how he would it onto the celtics. You also have a huge dillema now with Jaylen Brown and Tatum playing well enough to start next year. Who is going to come off the bench? Hayward is also not a superstar. He's an allstar on occasion, and not at the level of Kyrie Irving. He's a little better than Dario Saric at the moment. Kyrie Irving is the only known quantity that you are lack on this team right now. Just like how you guys tell us to stop getting ahead of ourselves with the Sixers, you need to stop getting ahead of yourselves with Hayward, and what he could be. You guys have some questions to answer this offseason and next year. What happens to Rozier? Smart? What are you guys going to do about Tatum/Brown/Hayward (I gaurantee you that Ainge will need to trade one of them). What are you going to do about an aging Horford who doesn't feelt he timeline of the rest of your players?

Let's not forget the biggest elephant in the room. Kyrie Irving's health? Will he be the same player when he's back. Having all these surgeries on his knee looks a lot like a degenerative condition. But yeah, keep telling yourself that Danny Ainge will save you, and pull some lopsided trade out of his ass. How's that worked out so far? Obviously not his fault, but the way you guys act so condescendingly when you get threatened by another team's success, and bring your past history of success as a measuring point, is inherently flawed.


Hayward being a little better than Dario Saric? Lmaoooo :lol:

I get it Sixers fans. You’ve been trash for 5 years let all the homer takes out right now



We shouldn't be comparing Saric with Hayward. He might be there some day. He's not there yet.

The Tatum/Jaylen Brown comparisons are reasonable. Saric is two years older than Brown, but they're both second-year NBA players. Saric is bigger and Europe tested. He's also slower. Brown has made enormous progress this season, more than I thought possible. As for Tatum, he's still a babe - but who's playing like a man.

The Marcus Morris comparison is a bit over the top. Morris is 28. Until this year, he's been a very average player on below-average teams. Credit to him and Brad Stevens for his performance this year. But let's not get all gushy about where he is at this stage of his career.

Back to Saric: I live in Providence, thus tend to watch Celtics games. I enjoy Tommy Heihson (in small doses) and never once have heard any of your announcers, Tommy included, say a negative thing about Saric. He would be a fan favorite in Boston if were wearing green. So let's not put him down.

Secondly, it is my firm belief that Saric would have been drafted closer to 5 than 10 if he hadn't been under contract in Europe. It is also my belief - though I have no insider information to support this - that Sam Hinkie, having drafted Saric, a 6'10 Euro in 2014, passed on Porzingis the following year when he had a chance to take him. Was that a dumb move? Maybe. Probably. We'll know 10 years from now.

The biggest concern I have for the Sixers if we play the Celtics in the second round is your defense. If you can force Simmons and Embiid, in particular, into making turnovers, you'll win the series. And the guy who will force them into mistakes is Marcus Smart. Don't expect him not (sorry for the double negative) to pull an Andre Igoudala on you.

I do see problems with your back line, however. We are bigger. We are also - by way of the Belenelli, Ilyasova, Redick and Amir Johnson pickups this year - playoff tested. But you do have the home court advantage.

And the officials, in my opinion as a frequent Celtics viewer, tend to allow you to maul opposing teams.

I expect a hard-fought series.


Just took a look at Sarics' numbers. They are almost identical to Gordon Hayward at the same age. Currently Hayward is a more developed player, but long-term, Saric has the potential to be a Gordon Hayward-type players. Surprisingly, he may still only be the 4th option on offense for Philly in 2 or 3 years. The Sixers are absolutely stacked and could add Lebron James to this team. :o
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Post#204 » by Mister Ze » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:20 pm

Wonder what Brad Stevens is gonna do about Embiid and the 76ers ball movement. Boston seems like a good team when it comes to defending the 3, but I feel like people are quick to write them off cause they don't have Kyrie.

If the Bucks advance, I think they're at risk of getting swept. Philly has the tools to stop Giannis while the Bucks don't have answers for Embiid or Philly's bench.
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Post#205 » by bebopdeluxe » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:34 pm

At this time of the year - especially after the first round - there are no easy series unless you are a GSW/Jordan-led Bulls juggernaut. I would expect that both Sixers-Bucks and Sixers-Celtics go at least 6 games.
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Post#206 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:38 pm

bebopdeluxe wrote:At this time of the year - especially after the first round - there are no easy series unless you are a GSW/Jordan-led Bulls juggernaut. I would expect that both Sixers-Bucks and Sixers-Celtics go at least 6 games.


I don't see either series going more than 5 to be honest.
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Post#207 » by Snotbubbles » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:41 pm

Master Ze wrote:Wonder what Brad Stevens is gonna do about Embiid and the 76ers ball movement. Boston seems like a good team when it comes to defending the 3, but I feel like people are quick to write them off cause they don't have Kyrie.

If the Bucks advance, I think they're at risk of getting swept. Philly has the tools to stop Giannis while the Bucks don't have answers for Embiid or Philly's bench.


Both teams can bring it defensively. Without Kyrie, I feel the same way I did about Miami, will play hard and tough, but at the end of the day they just don't have enough offense to keep up over 48 minutes.
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Post#208 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:46 pm

Can we please stop overrating Dario Saric? Im a guy whos said he has all-star potential and that its possible that he could one day put up numbers similar to present day Blake Griffin in the right system as the top option.

But today? To call him a little worse than Hayward? Laughable take. Hes worlds behind Hayward as a player. Lets be serious now.
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Post#209 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:59 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Can we please stop overrating Dario Saric? Im a guy whos said he has all-star potential and that its possible that he could one day put up numbers similar to present day Blake Griffin in the right system as the top option.

But today? To call him a little worse than Hayward? Laughable take. Hes worlds behind Hayward as a player. Lets be serious now.


Hayward was a fringe top 30 player pre-injury, let's not go overboard here.
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Post#210 » by BullyKing » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:00 pm

It will be hilarious if the Bucks come back and win the series and this entire Philly-Boston pissing contest was for nothing.
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Post#211 » by PierceFan4ever » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:06 pm

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PierceFan4ever wrote:Hayward being a little better than Dario Saric? Lmaoooo :lol:

I get it Sixers fans. You’ve been trash for 5 years let all the homer takes out right now


Hayward is a 1 time All-Star. The way Celtics fans talk about him you'd think peak Bird was returning to Boston. Saric isn't on Hayward's level yet but it's not unrealistic to believe he will be in the not-so-distant future.


The way you think of Saric is like the next Dirk foh. I don’t care what Saric could potentially be. Bottom line is Hayward last year being an all star in the West is ONLY A LITTLE better than Dario Saric right now is a stupid take. That’s an extreme homer view. Perhaps Sixers fans should quit sipping the koolaid maybe the responses wouldn’t be so embarrassing.
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Post#212 » by PierceFan4ever » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:08 pm

SuperDario wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Can we please stop overrating Dario Saric? Im a guy whos said he has all-star potential and that its possible that he could one day put up numbers similar to present day Blake Griffin in the right system as the top option.

But today? To call him a little worse than Hayward? Laughable take. Hes worlds behind Hayward as a player. Lets be serious now.


Hayward was a fringe top 30 player pre-injury, let's not go overboard here.


Most on Espn, nba.com, cbs all had Hayward in their top 20. Some had him as high as 15 so yeah no he’s not top 30. Maybe to Sixers fans who think each player on the Celtics is top 30 or worse.
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Post#213 » by 76thBearCub » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:09 pm

We really only need to worry about Saric for the sake of this thread, as Hayward is not playing.
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Post#214 » by 76thBearCub » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:11 pm

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Most on Espn, nba.com, cbs all had Hayward in their top 20. Some had him as high as 15 so yeah no he’s not top 30. Maybe to Sixers fans who think each player on the Celtics is top 30 or worse.



Hey I don't think each player on the Celtics is top 30 or worse. I don't even know what that means.
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Post#215 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:11 pm

PierceFan4ever wrote:
SuperDario wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Can we please stop overrating Dario Saric? Im a guy whos said he has all-star potential and that its possible that he could one day put up numbers similar to present day Blake Griffin in the right system as the top option.

But today? To call him a little worse than Hayward? Laughable take. Hes worlds behind Hayward as a player. Lets be serious now.


Hayward was a fringe top 30 player pre-injury, let's not go overboard here.


Most on Espn, nba.com, cbs all had Hayward in their top 20. Some had him as high as 15 so yeah no he’s not top 30. Maybe to Sixers fans who think each player is probably on the Celtics is top 25 or worse.


Meaningless post without links to back it up. Top 15!? Says the guy accusing Sixers fans of being homers :lol: Wow.
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Post#216 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:12 pm

PierceFan4ever wrote:
SuperDario wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:Hayward being a little better than Dario Saric? Lmaoooo :lol:

I get it Sixers fans. You’ve been trash for 5 years let all the homer takes out right now


Hayward is a 1 time All-Star. The way Celtics fans talk about him you'd think peak Bird was returning to Boston. Saric isn't on Hayward's level yet but it's not unrealistic to believe he will be in the not-so-distant future.


The way you think of Saric is like the next Dirk foh. I don’t care what Saric could potentially be. Bottom line is Hayward last year being an all star in the West is ONLY A LITTLE better than Dario Saric right now is a stupid take. That’s an extreme homer view. Perhaps Sixers fans should quit sipping the koolaid maybe the responses wouldn’t be so embarrassing.


Nobody is calling Saric Dirk. If Saric was Dirk he would be much better than Hayward instead of being a little worse.
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Post#217 » by PierceFan4ever » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:22 pm

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Hayward was a fringe top 30 player pre-injury, let's not go overboard here.


Most on Espn, nba.com, cbs all had Hayward in their top 20. Some had him as high as 15 so yeah no he’s not top 30. Maybe to Sixers fans who think each player is probably on the Celtics is top 25 or worse.


Meaningless post without links to back it up. Top 15!? Says the guy accusing Sixers fans of being homers :lol: Wow.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/09/sports_illustrateds_top-100_nb.amp

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank1130/nbarank-players-11-30

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/sports/nba-top-100-players-2017/?utm_term=.ed642177b05d

My bad it was #16 by sports illustrated. Anyways each had Gordon Hayward in there top 20. I’ve yet to see any article that had Hayward 30 or worse. So yeah. I’m not trying to be a homer thinking Hayward is some superstar or you claiming I think of him as Bird. Just...Dario Saric being not that far off from a top 15-20 player...yeah no. Like I said, some of your fanbase has some extreme over the top homer takes such as that of Saric. Embiid and Simmons being the next magic and Kareem is bad enough lmao. Again like I said I’m not surprised with these takes because after all, you guys were down the bottom pile of garbage the last 5 years so it’s okay to be really optimistic but some of these takes are a little embarrassing.
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Post#218 » by PierceFan4ever » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:23 pm

SuperDario wrote:
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Hayward is a 1 time All-Star. The way Celtics fans talk about him you'd think peak Bird was returning to Boston. Saric isn't on Hayward's level yet but it's not unrealistic to believe he will be in the not-so-distant future.


The way you think of Saric is like the next Dirk foh. I don’t care what Saric could potentially be. Bottom line is Hayward last year being an all star in the West is ONLY A LITTLE better than Dario Saric right now is a stupid take. That’s an extreme homer view. Perhaps Sixers fans should quit sipping the koolaid maybe the responses wouldn’t be so embarrassing.


Nobody is calling Saric Dirk. If Saric was Dirk he would be much better than Hayward instead of being a little worse.


And nobody is calling Hayward the next bird. Again, to end this, Saric right now is not a little worse than Gordon Hayward from last season. If you don’t think that’s a homer take then yeah ok don’t expect people to take your responses seriously, superdario
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Post#219 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:32 pm

PierceFan4ever wrote:
SuperDario wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:
Most on Espn, nba.com, cbs all had Hayward in their top 20. Some had him as high as 15 so yeah no he’s not top 30. Maybe to Sixers fans who think each player is probably on the Celtics is top 25 or worse.


Meaningless post without links to back it up. Top 15!? Says the guy accusing Sixers fans of being homers :lol: Wow.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/09/sports_illustrateds_top-100_nb.amp

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank1130/nbarank-players-11-30

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/sports/nba-top-100-players-2017/?utm_term=.ed642177b05d

My bad it was #16 by sports illustrated. Anyways each had Gordon Hayward in there top 20. I’ve yet to see any article that had Hayward 30 or worse. So yeah. I’m not trying to be a homer thinking Hayward is some superstar or you claiming I think of him as Bird. Just...Dario Saric being not that far off from a top 15-20 player...yeah no. Like I said, some of your fanbase has some extreme over the top homer takes such as that of Saric. Embiid and Simmons being the next magic and Kareem is bad enough lmao. Again like I said I’m not surprised with these takes because after all, you guys were down the bottom pile of garbage the last 5 years so it’s okay to be really optimistic but some of these takes are a little embarrassing.


Man, some of these links... Notice how the 3rd link you posted ranks him 1 spot above Ty Lawson :lol: Sounds about right.

Hayward won't sniff Simmons/Embiid level impact.
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Post#220 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:35 pm

PierceFan4ever wrote:
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The way you think of Saric is like the next Dirk foh. I don’t care what Saric could potentially be. Bottom line is Hayward last year being an all star in the West is ONLY A LITTLE better than Dario Saric right now is a stupid take. That’s an extreme homer view. Perhaps Sixers fans should quit sipping the koolaid maybe the responses wouldn’t be so embarrassing.


Nobody is calling Saric Dirk. If Saric was Dirk he would be much better than Hayward instead of being a little worse.


And nobody is calling Hayward the next bird. Again, to end this, Saric right now is not a little worse than Gordon Hayward from last season. If you don’t think that’s a homer take then yeah ok don’t expect people to take your responses seriously, superdario


Sounds like you're attributing Gobert's impact last season to Hayward. Good player, not great. Sorry.
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