Political Roundtable Part XX

[nate33]

No chance Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for this. I mean, this pales in comparison to the list of Obama's accomplishments in his first year of the presidency.

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[stilldropin20]

No chance Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for this. I mean, this pales in comparison to the list of Obama's accomplishments in his first year of the presidency.

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yeah. check this out!

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here's the thing. North Korea would NOT have even been at the winter games had it not been for trump. They would have never talked. Trump forced NK into "finding" a friend. who better than SK. Korean War officially ends today. And CNN wants to tell their audience that Kim Jong Un's sister "made it all happen." How can the liberals accept this as their news source??? On its face, its a bold face lie. Its fake news. Liberals, They are not telling you the truth. And its in their web of lies is the foundation for all the divide in the country. I blame CNN for the divide. MSNBC jumped on board with CNN about a year ago.

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so the POS liberal left obstructionists demoralrats took 7 months to confirm our first openly Gay Ambassador??? 7 months!!! and still most of them did not vote for him.

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By Larry Elder, July 22, 2015 Town Hall

Ninety-five percent of black voters in 2008 voted for then-Sen. Barack Obama. Surely a “progressive” black president would care about, empathize with and understand black America in a way no other president ever has or could, right? Exit polls from Pew Research show that 63 percent of all voters – and 65 percent of Obama voters – cited the economy as the No. 1 reason they voted for him. Iraq was a distant second at 10 percent. Even for black Obama voters, “It’s the economy, stupid.”

After six years, the report card is in. The grades are not pretty. By every key economic measurement, blacks are worse off under Obama. In some cases, far worse off.

What about poverty? In 2009, when Obama took office, the black poverty rate was 25.8 percent. As of 2014, according to Pew Research Center, the black poverty rate was 27.2 percent.

What about income? CNNMoney says, “Minority households’ median income fell 9 percent between 2010 and 2013, compared to a drop of only 1 percent for whites.” The Financial Times wrote last October: “Since 2009, median non-white household income has dropped by almost a 10th to $33,000 a year, according to the U.S. Federal Reserve’s survey of consumer finances. As a whole, median incomes fell by 5 percent. But by the more telling measure of net wealth – assets minus liabilities – the numbers offer a more troubling story.”

What about net worth and the black-white “wealth gap”? The Financial Times said: “The median non-white family today has a net worth of just $18,100 – almost a fifth lower than it was when Mr. Obama took office. White median wealth, on the other hand, has inched up by 1 percent to $142,000. In 2009, white households were seven times richer than their black counterparts. That gap is now eightfold. Both in relative and absolute terms, blacks are doing worse under Mr. Obama.” Remember, these numbers apply to all “non-whites.” For blacks, it’s worse.

When looking only at “black net worth” – which is lower compared to non-whites as a whole – white households are actually 13 times wealthier than black households. From 2010 to 2013, according to the Federal Reserve, white household median wealth increased a modest 2.4 percent, while Hispanic families’ wealth declined 14 percent, to $13,700. But blacks’ net worth fell from $16,600 to $11,000. This is an astonishing three-year drop of 34 percent. Investors Business Daily put it this way, “That’s a steeper decline than occurred from 2007 to 2010, when blacks’ net worth fell 13.5 percent.” The black/white “wealth-gap” has reached a 25-year high.

What about unemployment? In 2009, black unemployment was 12.7 percent, and by 2014, it had fallen to 10.1 percent. This sounds like good news until one examines the black labor force participation rate – the percentage of blacks working or seeking work. It’s the lowest since these numbers have been recorded.

In a report for the Center for Economic and Policy Research, economist Dean Baker writes, “The drop in labor force participation was sharpest for African-Americans, who saw a decline of 0.3 percentage points to 60.2 percent, the lowest rate since December of 1977. The rate for African-American men fell 0.7 percentage points to 65.6 percent, the lowest on record. The decline in labor force participation was associated with a drop in the overall African-American unemployment rate of 0.5 percentage points to 11.9, and a drop of 0.6 percentage points to 11.6 percent for African-American men.” Not good.

What about home ownership? According to Harvard University’s Joint Center for Housing Studies, the picture is ugly: “Millions of homeowners, particularly in minority and high-poverty neighborhoods, are still underwater on their mortgages, while millions more renters have been forced to live in housing they cannot afford or is structurally inadequate. And with the ongoing growth in low-income households, housing assistance reaches a shrinking share of those in need. … Homeownership rates have fallen 6 percentage points among black households – double that among white households. … More than 25 percent of mortgage homeowners in both high-poverty and minority neighborhoods were underwater – owing more than their homes are now worth – in 2013. This rate is nearly twice the shares in either white or low-poverty neighborhoods.”

The chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., in 2011, complained about the economic plight of black America. He said, “If (former President) Bill Clinton had been in the White House and had failed to address this problem, we probably would be marching on the White House.” He repeated the statement 12 months later, when black unemployment stood at 14.1 percent: “As the chair of the Black Caucus, I’ve got to tell you, we are always hesitant to criticize the president. With 14 percent (black) unemployment, if we had a white president we’d be marching around the White House.” Rep. Cleaver should start marching because, to use his own words, the problems have not been addressed.

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meanwhile, this guy still lies. every.single.day.

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hey Nate,

you notice the libs aint got nothing to say this week?

They got their effin asses handed to them!!!

Each lie gets exposed. day by day.

[FAH1223]

No chance Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for this. I mean, this pales in comparison to the list of Obama's accomplishments in his first year of the presidency.

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The Nobel Peace Prize should go to President Moon. He’s the one that reached out to the North Koreans and kept lines of communication open even though the North ignored his outreach at first (they were focused on their nuke/ICBM tests).

Then Moon carefully managed to engage with the North Koreans while making sure to keep the US in the loop and doing so without pissing off either side. He practically became the mediator between Trump and Kim.

When things got hot between Trump and Kim, Moon himself said that there would no military attack on North Korea without him having a say on it. This was his way of pushing back on the potential bloody nose strike.

Take Moon out of the equation and today’s meeting and even the Trump-Kim summit either takes much longer to happen or doesn’t happen at all.

Trump’s maximum pressure campaign and having buy in from China and Russia (who both border DPRK) played a role but the North Koreans had to be able to reach out to someone once their nuke tests were complete. Moon and the South Koreans were ready to not only reach out but use diplomacy as the means to find a solution.

President Moon has 74% approval rating right now. His party has a strong lead over the opposition.

Besides, how on earth will Trump get the prize when he appears dead set on pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, which, among other things, could affect the denuclearization process in the peninsula?

(If there is a chance of an eventual reunion of north and south, a united Korea may well prefer to keep some nuclear weapons. There is nuclear armed China to the north and there is the former colonial overlord Japan which has the materials and capabilities to produce its own nuclear weapons over a long weekend or so.)

There are least three additional potential spoilers:

- Japan's hawkish Prime Minister Abe will dislike any agreement in favor of Korea. The Korean people hate Japan and a united Korea would be a strong political, economical and military competitor.
- John Bolton prefers violent 'regime change' over any agreement with the north. He supports negotiations, which he believes will fail, only as a necessary prelude to war.
- The U.S. military and its industrial complex will want to keep its forces in Korea and the lucrative hostile position towards China.

All three of these players have the capability that could sabotage any progress.

[JWizmentality]

No chance Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for this. I mean, this pales in comparison to the list of Obama's accomplishments in his first year of the presidency.

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Perhaps you should wait to see how things play out before you prostrate yourself to the altar of Trump. We don't want another Carrier incident.

[TGW]

No chance Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for this. I mean, this pales in comparison to the list of Obama's accomplishments in his first year of the presidency.

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The Nobel Peace Prize should go to President Moon. He’s the one that reached out to the North Koreans and kept lines of communication open even though the North ignored his outreach at first (they were focused on their nuke/ICBM tests).

Then Moon carefully managed to engage with the North Koreans while making sure to keep the US in the loop and doing so without pissing off either side. He practically became the mediator between Trump and Kim.

When things got hot between Trump and Kim, Moon himself said that there would no military attack on North Korea without him having a say on it. This was his way of pushing back on the potential bloody nose strike.

Take Moon out of the equation and today’s meeting and even the Trump-Kim summit either takes much longer to happen or doesn’t happen at all.

Trump’s maximum pressure campaign and having buy in from China and Russia (who both border DPRK) played a role but the North Koreans had to be able to reach out to someone once their nuke tests were complete. Moon and the South Koreans were ready to not only reach out but use diplomacy as the means to find a solution.

President Moon has 74% approval rating right now. His party has a strong lead over the opposition.

Besides, how on earth will Trump get the prize when he appears dead set on pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, which, among other things, could affect the denuclearization process in the peninsula?

(If there is a chance of an eventual reunion of north and south, a united Korea may well prefer to keep some nuclear weapons. There is nuclear armed China to the north and there is the former colonial overlord Japan which has the materials and capabilities to produce its own nuclear weapons over a long weekend or so.)

There are least three additional potential spoilers:

- Japan's hawkish Prime Minister Abe will dislike any agreement in favor of Korea. The Korean people hate Japan and a united Korea would be a strong political, economical and military competitor.
- John Bolton prefers violent 'regime change' over any agreement with the north. He supports negotiations, which he believes will fail, only as a necessary prelude to war.
- The U.S. military and its industrial complex will want to keep its forces in Korea and the lucrative hostile position towards China.

All three of these players have the capability that could sabotage any progress.

HOF posting and complete ownage right here.

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I predicted it first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[stilldropin20]

No chance Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for this. I mean, this pales in comparison to the list of Obama's accomplishments in his first year of the presidency.

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The Nobel Peace Prize should go to President Moon. He’s the one that reached out to the North Koreans and kept lines of communication open even though the North ignored his outreach at first (they were focused on their nuke/ICBM tests).

Then Moon carefully managed to engage with the North Koreans while making sure to keep the US in the loop and doing so without pissing off either side. He practically became the mediator between Trump and Kim.

When things got hot between Trump and Kim, Moon himself said that there would no military attack on North Korea without him having a say on it. This was his way of pushing back on the potential bloody nose strike.

Take Moon out of the equation and today’s meeting and even the Trump-Kim summit either takes much longer to happen or doesn’t happen at all.

Trump’s maximum pressure campaign and having buy in from China and Russia (who both border DPRK) played a role but the North Koreans had to be able to reach out to someone once their nuke tests were complete. Moon and the South Koreans were ready to not only reach out but use diplomacy as the means to find a solution.

President Moon has 74% approval rating right now. His party has a strong lead over the opposition.

Besides, how on earth will Trump get the prize when he appears dead set on pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, which, among other things, could affect the denuclearization process in the peninsula?

(If there is a chance of an eventual reunion of north and south, a united Korea may well prefer to keep some nuclear weapons. There is nuclear armed China to the north and there is the former colonial overlord Japan which has the materials and capabilities to produce its own nuclear weapons over a long weekend or so.)

There are least three additional potential spoilers:

- Japan's hawkish Prime Minister Abe will dislike any agreement in favor of Korea. The Korean people hate Japan and a united Korea would be a strong political, economical and military competitor.
- John Bolton prefers violent 'regime change' over any agreement with the north. He supports negotiations, which he believes will fail, only as a necessary prelude to war.
- The U.S. military and its industrial complex will want to keep its forces in Korea and the lucrative hostile position towards China.

All three of these players have the capability that could sabotage any progress.

HOF posting and complete ownage right here.

SD20 da only mafuqqa makin da hall from dis thread. And wit dat i say we need a new rule: you gotta be in da hall to nominate for da hall. Can i gets a second? No? no one? really? ok. carry on then with getting sick and tired of all the winning!!

[nate33]

No chance Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for this. I mean, this pales in comparison to the list of Obama's accomplishments in his first year of the presidency.

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The Nobel Peace Prize should go to President Moon. He’s the one that reached out to the North Koreans and kept lines of communication open even though the North ignored his outreach at first (they were focused on their nuke/ICBM tests).

Then Moon carefully managed to engage with the North Koreans while making sure to keep the US in the loop and doing so without pissing off either side. He practically became the mediator between Trump and Kim.

When things got hot between Trump and Kim, Moon himself said that there would no military attack on North Korea without him having a say on it. This was his way of pushing back on the potential bloody nose strike.

Take Moon out of the equation and today’s meeting and even the Trump-Kim summit either takes much longer to happen or doesn’t happen at all.

Trump’s maximum pressure campaign and having buy in from China and Russia (who both border DPRK) played a role but the North Koreans had to be able to reach out to someone once their nuke tests were complete. Moon and the South Koreans were ready to not only reach out but use diplomacy as the means to find a solution.

President Moon has 74% approval rating right now. His party has a strong lead over the opposition.

Besides, how on earth will Trump get the prize when he appears dead set on pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, which, among other things, could affect the denuclearization process in the peninsula?

(If there is a chance of an eventual reunion of north and south, a united Korea may well prefer to keep some nuclear weapons. There is nuclear armed China to the north and there is the former colonial overlord Japan which has the materials and capabilities to produce its own nuclear weapons over a long weekend or so.)

There are least three additional potential spoilers:

- Japan's hawkish Prime Minister Abe will dislike any agreement in favor of Korea. The Korean people hate Japan and a united Korea would be a strong political, economical and military competitor.
- John Bolton prefers violent 'regime change' over any agreement with the north. He supports negotiations, which he believes will fail, only as a necessary prelude to war.
- The U.S. military and its industrial complex will want to keep its forces in Korea and the lucrative hostile position towards China.

All three of these players have the capability that could sabotage any progress.

HOF posting and complete ownage right here.

Yeah, complete ownage. Except for the inconvenient fact that South Korea's foreign minister disagrees with you. As do many other experts:

"I think the president deserves credit for getting us this far. No president has put as much pressure on North Korea as Donald Trump has, and that's a good thing," CBS News senior national security contributor Michael Morell said Friday on "CBS This Morning." Morell spent more than three decades at the CIA, becoming the deputy and acting director.

CBS News military and homeland security analyst Sandy Winnefeld, a retired Navy admiral and former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on "CBS This Morning" Mr. Trump gets "some credit."

"He's put unprecedented pressure on North Korea, both militarily and economically," Winnefeld said. "By the same token, North Korea feels they put unprecedented pressure on us by achieving the nuclear weapons capability. But I would give the president good credit for placing that pressure on the North."

[gtn130]

I thought the Nobel Peace Prize was fake news ever since Obama won it?

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[Zonkerbl]

I suspect Veselnitskaya coming out and admitting she’s an informant for the head Russian prosecutor is a deliberate ploy by Russia to maximize US political chaos by dripping deliberate contradictions of previous Trump statements to make sure he never gains too much credibility. GOP house intelligence committee have really choked big time in their failure to protect their president from Russian meddling. Should have taken the investigation much more seriously. No coincidence the drip of Russian-sourced contradictions started after the committee releases its laughably incomplete and incompetent joke of an investigation.

[stilldropin20]

I suspect Veselnitskaya coming out and admitting she’s an informant for the head Russian prosecutor is a deliberate ploy by Russia to maximize US political chaos by dripping deliberate contradictions of previous Trump statements to make sure he never gains too much credibility. GOP house intelligence committee have really choked big time in their failure to protect their president from Russian meddling. Should have taken the investigation much more seriously. No coincidence the drip of Russian-sourced contradictions started after the committee releases its laughably incomplete and incompetent joke of an investigation.

ohhhhhhh christ, quit lying to yourself already. you were duped, ya dumbazz!!

This was a Clapper, Comey, Clinton (and likely Obama approved) conspiracy and everyone knows including you.

he never colluded to being with so Russia can do whatever it wants. Putin can stick a banana up his azz tomorrow and sniff it. on live TV. and trump still wont owe him anything. go away with this crap already. take stormy with you and whatever bullshxt propoganda you and your lying azz liberal media can come up with next. take it all with you and just GTFO already. and go find some other place to live if Trump being president bundles up your panties so much.

he won the fuqqin election fair a square. so take your clown azz candidate from your clown azz party and get!!!

[Zonkerbl]

Anyone else hear an irritating buzzing sound? Like the rantings of an irrelevant lunatic?

You know, like those guys you see muttering to themselves on the metro, and get all up in your face smelling like pee and a lifetime of failure and demand fifty cents and get all offended when you don’t give it to them? But admit out loud they’re a crack addict and will use your fitty cents to get high sniffing paint?

Like, it’s sad, but what do you do? Ignore them? Convince them they’re wrong to be a crack addict? Agree with them and help their self-harm?

[stilldropin20]

So Candace Owens was just fully featured on "the five." Full fifteen minute opening dialogue. she pushed back hard on heraldo rivera who holds his ground with everyone, and he fully backed off. Not because he didn't want no part of it. The producers upstairs clearly want this to be an easy path for her.

Since I'm better at this than nearly all of you (except nate), let me translate.

Fox News has just gone all **** in on this girl!!! All she has to do is NOT mess up at this point. The world is hers. If she doesn't get complacent with the same old story over and over she is golden.