WCQF | (4) Oklahoma City Thunder vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 4-2

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Series Prediction

Thunder in 4
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1%
Thunder in 5
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8%
Thunder in 6
20
25%
Thunder in 7
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8%
Jazz in 4
0
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Jazz in 5
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22%
Jazz in 6
25
32%
Jazz in 7
4
5%
 
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Post#1621 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:20 pm

RalphSampsonJr wrote:Does Russ taking 46 shots impact free agency though? Like i know OKC isnt the most attractive city in the world but will the 46 shots linger in the minds of players when Sam goes to them with an offer?
Its like Russ has only child syndrom and players are fully aware that if they sign with OKC they will only be getting the crumbs that Russ chooses to leave them

We’re talking tax payer mle options since we have no capspace so I’m no too worried.
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Post#1622 » by Pillendreher » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:41 pm

Sources within the team were adamant throughout the season that chemistry was never an issue. Veterans marveled at the connectivity of the group. Everyone was aligned, everyone wanted the same thing. Even as players adjusted to new roles and responsibilities, some having a harder time than others, the buy-in was total.

Among the many issues they ended up with -- fit, focus, consistency -- some rested simply in hubris. They lived in denial all season, right up to the bitter end. After getting whacked in Game 4, it was explained away with their missing shots and the Jazz getting hot. Before Game 5, Anthony forgot what time the game started, showing up to the arena as if it tipped at 7 p.m. local time, rather than the scheduled 8:30 start. He walked down the hallway to the Thunder's locker room, nonchalantly looking around and seeing no one, before realizing he was there way too early. He got in his car and left. They told themselves from Day 1 that they were a superteam, but they existed as such only on paper.


Not like we didn't see this coming. Self-delusion paired with a horrible coach and holes in the roster the GM wasn't willing to fix. Not a good combo.
"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Post#1623 » by High level » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:53 pm

The Carmelo signing and Roberson going down really killed the Thunder. Westbrook and PG with Kanter and Adams down low would have been a problem for Utah and Roberson would have shut Ingles down.
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Post#1624 » by spearsy23 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:27 pm

RalphSampsonJr wrote:Does Russ taking 46 shots impact free agency though? Like i know OKC isnt the most attractive city in the world but will the 46 shots linger in the minds of players when Sam goes to them with an offer?
Its like Russ has only child syndrom and players are fully aware that if they sign with OKC they will only be getting the crumbs that Russ chooses to leave them

No, and the suggestion is dumb.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#1625 » by dakomish23 » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:41 pm

Season didn’t end how anyone expected or hoped, but I’m happy that I had folks invested in the team to discuss it with.

See you guys in the summer. Should be interesting. My prediction - PG comes back and they do an extension for Grant. Everything else, :dontknow:
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Post#1626 » by Pillendreher » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:37 pm

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Post#1627 » by Old Man Game » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:01 pm

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For all the **** Lebron takes for "running the franchise" or whatever, I often wish our star(s) were more like that instead of just go along to get along.
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Post#1628 » by Pillendreher » Sat Apr 28, 2018 8:15 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
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For all the **** Lebron takes for "running the franchise" or whatever, I often wish our star(s) were more like that instead of just go along to get along.


It's not the Thunder way to go after somebody publicly. Who knows what they really think.
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Post#1629 » by Old Man Game » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:04 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:
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For all the **** Lebron takes for "running the franchise" or whatever, I often wish our star(s) were more like that instead of just go along to get along.


It's not the Thunder way to go after somebody publicly. Who knows what they really think.

I've seen very little evidence that Russ (or KD before him) directed decisions like Lebron has. Maybe you can point to something but I can't recall anything.
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Post#1630 » by Pillendreher » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:13 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
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For all the **** Lebron takes for "running the franchise" or whatever, I often wish our star(s) were more like that instead of just go along to get along.


It's not the Thunder way to go after somebody publicly. Who knows what they really think.

I've seen very little evidence that Russ (or KD before him) directed decisions like Lebron has. Maybe you can point to something but I can't recall anything.


I'm sure Justin has extensive data on Westbrook calling all the shots ;)
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Post#1631 » by RalphSampsonJr » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:22 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
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All the while Grant was +29 in 133 mins..

Stay Me7o indeed..
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Post#1632 » by NaturalThunder » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:59 am

RalphSampsonJr wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
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Stay Me7o


All the while Grant was +29 in 133 mins..

Stay Me7o indeed..

And **** Billy Donovan for being either too stupid or too ignorant to realize the drastic difference in team performance with Melon on the floor vs. with Melo on the bench. It wouldn't been enough to win this series if Donovan had realized it.
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Post#1633 » by spearsy23 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:01 am

Pillendreher wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
It's not the Thunder way to go after somebody publicly. Who knows what they really think.

I've seen very little evidence that Russ (or KD before him) directed decisions like Lebron has. Maybe you can point to something but I can't recall anything.


I'm sure Justin has extensive data on Westbrook calling all the shots ;)

Didn't presti directly say that Durant and Russ weren't involved in personnel decisions?
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#1634 » by Kizz Fastfists » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:27 am

spearsy23 wrote:Didn't presti directly say that Durant and Russ weren't involved in personnel decisions?


There have been some mixed messages on this over the years. Recruiting Pau Gasol and the Horford, which would have sent Kanter packing, rumors would imply that Presti listens when they want someone or can get someone. That is different then them telling Presti who or what to get. An interesting aspect there though is that Russ was recruiting Horford which would have sent Kanter packing then signed his extension AFTER Kanter was gone. So maybe Russ flexed his muscle to get rid of Kanter?
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Post#1635 » by Kizz Fastfists » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:29 am

NaturalThunder wrote:And **** Billy Donovan for being either too stupid or too ignorant to realize the drastic difference in team performance with Melon on the floor vs. with Melo on the bench. It wouldn't been enough to win this series if Donovan had realized it.


This is nothing new. Donovan did the same thing last year against Houston. Taj had no negative lineups in that series. Russ had a negative lineup or two. Grant with the starters, in place of Taj, was a HUGE negative in that series.
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Post#1636 » by RalphSampsonJr » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:33 am

spearsy23 wrote:
RalphSampsonJr wrote:Does Russ taking 46 shots impact free agency though? Like i know OKC isnt the most attractive city in the world but will the 46 shots linger in the minds of players when Sam goes to them with an offer?
Its like Russ has only child syndrom and players are fully aware that if they sign with OKC they will only be getting the crumbs that Russ chooses to leave them

No, and the suggestion is dumb.


Sorry buddy.. must of hit a nerve
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Post#1637 » by Kizz Fastfists » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:39 am

RalphSampsonJr wrote:Does Russ taking 46 shots impact free agency though? Like i know OKC isnt the most attractive city in the world but will the 46 shots linger in the minds of players when Sam goes to them with an offer?
Its like Russ has only child syndrom and players are fully aware that if they sign with OKC they will only be getting the crumbs that Russ chooses to leave them


I don't think it has anything to do with it because of the caliber of FAs that OKC will be chasing. Unless you think that ONE game was what sent PG away I don't think you can say it effects anything. If Melo opts out and PG leaves OKC is still only playing with the taxpayer's MLE and MAYBE the bi-yearly in FA. They could possibly use the full MLE if they let Grant go to someone else for their MLE, probably the taxpayer's. The point being these aren't guys who are going to be worried about Russ taking that many shots, especially if PG and Melo are gone. These are going to be guys dreaming of 10 shots a night not 20.
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Post#1638 » by RalphSampsonJr » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:39 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
RalphSampsonJr wrote:Does Russ taking 46 shots impact free agency though? Like i know OKC isnt the most attractive city in the world but will the 46 shots linger in the minds of players when Sam goes to them with an offer?
Its like Russ has only child syndrom and players are fully aware that if they sign with OKC they will only be getting the crumbs that Russ chooses to leave them


I don't think it has anything to do with it because of the caliber of FAs that OKC will be chasing. Unless you think that ONE game was what sent PG away I don't think you can say it effects anything. If Melo opts out and PG leaves OKC is still only playing with the taxpayer's MLE and MAYBE the bi-yearly in FA. They could possibly use the full MLE if they let Grant go to someone else for their MLE, probably the taxpayer's. The point being these aren't guys who are going to be worried about Russ taking that many shots, especially if PG and Melo are gone. These are going to be guys dreaming of 10 shots a night not 20.


Yea i know what your saying but guys that can stil contribute but want to do it on a team that does it the “right” way.
I guess i look at someone like Zbo for example. Hes not gonna be worried about how many shots hes taking but he may see a pg taking 43 shots as a bad way of playing a team game. Therefore not willingn to sign for a vet min. Would rather jump on a team like the kings where they are young and dont have any bad habits. Team wise not org wise
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Post#1639 » by spearsy23 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:02 am

RalphSampsonJr wrote:
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RalphSampsonJr wrote:Does Russ taking 46 shots impact free agency though? Like i know OKC isnt the most attractive city in the world but will the 46 shots linger in the minds of players when Sam goes to them with an offer?
Its like Russ has only child syndrom and players are fully aware that if they sign with OKC they will only be getting the crumbs that Russ chooses to leave them

No, and the suggestion is dumb.


Sorry buddy.. must of hit a nerve

Must of is also dumb.
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Post#1640 » by RalphSampsonJr » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:45 am

spearsy23 wrote:
RalphSampsonJr wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:No, and the suggestion is dumb.


Sorry buddy.. must of hit a nerve

Must of is also dumb.


I get it youre upset.. no need to make yourself look like a fool

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