WCQF: P1 | (4) OKC Thunder vs Utah Jazz (5) | Utah wins 4-2

TroubleS0me · Post #5981 » by **TroubleS0me** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:59 am

Son_of_Slam wrote:if that wasn't a foul on gobert then the miami heat owe the 2006 larry o'brien trophy to the mavs!

let it go ....we owned u guys that yr

stitches · Post #5982 » by **stitches** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:00 pm

Pillendreher wrote:Andre Roberson in the Playoffs last year: 7 made 3s, 108 OrtG, 59.8 eFG%, +17.7 On/Off NetRtG
Carmelo Anthony in the Playoffs this year: 6 made 3s, 90 ORtG, 41.7 eFG%, -26.6 On/Off NetRtG

This makes me all kinds of sad.

Roberson is a special defender. You guys definitely missed him in this series.

Pillendreher · Post #5983 » by **Pillendreher** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:12 pm

stitches wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:Andre Roberson in the Playoffs last year: 7 made 3s, 108 OrtG, 59.8 eFG%, +17.7 On/Off NetRtG
Carmelo Anthony in the Playoffs this year: 6 made 3s, 90 ORtG, 41.7 eFG%, -26.6 On/Off NetRtG

This makes me all kinds of sad.

Roberson is a special defender. You guys definitely missed him in this series.

But outperforming the guy we were getting for his offense? That just can't happen. But alas, I can't even blame Melo all that much: The problem is that tool sitting on our bench. He basically built the whole rotation around Anthony and never adjusted even though we were bleeding points all season long.

Russ-George without Melo: +14 NetRtG in 352 minutes
George+bench: -17 NetRtG in 340 minutes
Russ-Melo without George: -1 NetRtG in 353 minutes

All of this is due to Donovan's decision to NOT play Anthony with the bench anymore 10 games into the season. We paid for it then and we're paying for it now. -14 NetRtG with Melo on the floor, +14 NetRtG with him off the floor in this series. Playing him too many minutes in the wrong role all season long. But hey, it doesn't matter, right?

Pass_the_rock · Post #5984 » by **Pass_the_rock** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:42 pm

Post #5985 » by **Diop** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:53 pm

EireannX wrote:
udfa wrote:If that's not a foul then the league should retroactively remove about 1000 FTAs from Wade's career stats. I don't think the no call is quite the atrocity that some others seem to think it is, and I have no sympathy for PG given his zero heart performance, but it sucks to see the end of a good series sullied by poor officiating.

They changed the rules sometime in the last two years to specifically exclude cases where the shooter moves sideways to create contact. So it wouldn’t impact most of Wades career.

I think the no call was right and the refs explained that’s why they didn’t call it, but I completely understand why people are aggrieved that the refs don’t call it consistant.

I remember Al Houston trying the same move when Knicks were in the finals and the refs didn't bail him out.

right call i think, would be nice if it was always called that way though

Ymountain · Post #5986 » by **Ymountain** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:44 pm

George 2-16 is where game 6 was lost. He simply has to do better but i'm guessing he's already looking forward to free agency. Congrats to Utah who will surely trouble the Rockets in the next round.

As for OKC, this season promised much but delivered little. Melo isn't good anymore, George is almost certainly gone and Donovan should be fired.

Adam1221 · Post #5987 » by **Adam1221** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:53 pm

I really dont get how people are blaming Russel on any of this....
Melo has been terrible for 3 straight seasons, Adams and George are great players but outside those 2 who'se the 4th best player on this team?
Abrenas?
Felton?
This roster was trash aside from the 3 best players on that team.

MalonesElbows · Post #5988 » by **MalonesElbows** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:04 pm

Jkam31 wrote:
Tritodian wrote:

Read on Twitter

NBA determined that PG13 invaded Gobert's space in order to create contact, not the other way around. Sounds about right.

This is absolutely bull **** love and harden do way worse and get FTs out of it. I’ve seen Love literally take 3 steps to the side to get contact on a defender who blew by him

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Not in the last year you haven't, try to keep up with the the rule changes.

contestedlayups · Post #5989 » by **contestedlayups** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:07 pm

stitches wrote:Here's a good replay:

Read on Twitter

This is NOT a foul. Paul takes step to the right and leans into Gobert. If he doesn't Gobert doesn't touch him. Good call by the refs. The fact that other refs call similar situation the wrong way doesn't make this non-call bad. This is exactly how situations like this should be officiated, NOT the other way around.

You have to consider the placement of the refs though, which the second camera angle does nothing for the argument that it wasn't a foul. The first angle is the best, since there's a ref underneath the basket. The angle that was shown on ESPN, where George gets his hip clipped, was an angle where a ref had a position. That was why it was so surprising that it wasn't called.

Edit: Also, if you pause it at 3 seconds, George is going into his gather, and Gobert makes contact. I thought George exaggerated the contact after the fact, as he tried to actually make the shot.

Ramed Nazored · Post #5990 » by **Ramed Nazored** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:12 pm

This season has to be considered a monumental failure for OKC. Carmelo sucks. They never should have acquired him.

MalonesElbows · Post #5991 » by **MalonesElbows** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:15 pm

Lala870 wrote:
Ive looked at the review from every angle and multiple people affiliated with the NBA have said it was incorrectly called in real time.

Nice of you to really chime in though.

You don't understand NBA rules so looking at it a million times won't matter. The league as been 100% transparent on admitting their mistakes the next day. Take your ball and go home.

MalonesElbows · Post #5992 » by **MalonesElbows** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:17 pm

Ramed Nazored wrote:This season has to be considered a monumental failure for OKC. Carmelo sucks. They never should have acquired him.

The end goal was to get Paul George to resign. They were probably thinking Carmelo had enough left to get them at least to the conference finals which would satisfy George. With Roberson they might have done that. It wasn't a terrible gamble.

AdagioPace · Post #5993 » by **AdagioPace** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:19 pm

so,in the end, OKC's highly anticipated high ceiling was basically " when Westbrook gets hot...once in a while"

SirMars · Post #5994 » by **SirMars** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:21 pm

Ramed Nazored wrote:This season has to be considered a monumental failure for OKC. Carmelo sucks. They never should have acquired him.

I mean you put 2 ball dominate players with the ultimate ball dominate god...This isnt NBA2k

Im sure Melo will be Melo when put on a team that use him to his strenghts.

SirMars · Post #5995 » by **SirMars** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:24 pm

Adam1221 wrote:I really dont get how people are blaming Russel on any of this....
Melo has been terrible for 3 straight seasons, Adams and George are great players but outside those 2 who'se the 4th best player on this team?
Abrenas?
Felton?
This roster was trash aside from the 3 best players on that team.

Just like it was trash last year with Victor and co?

SirMars · Post #5996 » by **SirMars** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:31 pm

Tritodian wrote:
whocurrz wrote:
RCM88x wrote:
He probably would have shot less if anyone on his team showed up offensively. Lol

Yeah man there were maybe like 2 heat check threes I saw him take that were bad but he was moving the ball early, taking open threes off of rebounds when they needed it (like 3 at the end). If anything he tried to let others make plays too much(PG was awful creating off the dribble despite getting robbed of one maybe two opportunities for 3 FTs). He shot jump shots late because he tried to defer and it got back to him. Should have just attacked early is the only makor criticism.

I think the criticism is not that Westbrook took 43 shots, but he only scored 46 points off of 43 shots. Give any other top 10 player 43 shots, and I assure you they will score more than 46 points. Westbrook has a lot of Iverson in him (both good and bad), and it's just not going to work in 2018.

Iverson wouldnt took 19 3's, in fact he would have kept attacking the basket and challenge Gobert...Probally would have had 43 FTA's :roll:

inquisitive · Post #5997 » by **inquisitive** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:34 pm

when was the last time a fouled was called in the last 5 sec of a playoff game?

quatin · Post #5998 » by **quatin** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:42 pm

PGs shot was definitely not a foul. However, super star players get that call all the time. If it wasn't the last second tying shot, he would've gotten it.

The refs were trying to get OKC the win for game 7, but OKC couldn't make a shot. Tons of calls/ no calls going into OKCs favor in the end. Mitchell was fouled at least 2x driving with no call. Grant could've been called for a loose ball for reaching over the shoulder in the out of bound ball in last 30s. 3s should've been called on Adams during the 2nd-3rd offensive rebound and there was at least 1 more "holding" foul for rebound there.

Lots of trolls bashing Westbrook, but at least he tried. Yes he took 40+shots, but no one else was trying . You have to demand the ball and make plays in situations like this. WB is always wanting to take those "clutch" shots. PG and Melo were being too passive. Maybe they can't share the court with someone so ball dominant. It's probably for the best that they split up then.

kingmalaki · Post #5999 » by **kingmalaki** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:44 pm

Adam1221 wrote:I really dont get how people are blaming Russel on any of this....
Melo has been terrible for 3 straight seasons, Adams and George are great players but outside those 2 who'se the 4th best player on this team?
Abrenas?
Felton?
This roster was trash aside from the 3 best players on that team.

Because we saw his garbage play in games 2-4 (all losses), and saw him chuck 43 shots last night, missing most in the 4th. We saw him underperform for the 4th straight 4th quarter in 4 losses.

Now suddenly the roster is trash. Funny.

lakerz12 · Post #6000 » by **lakerz12** » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:23 pm

It may or may not be a foul but they call it 95% of the time.

If that were not the case, PG would never attempt to draw that foul.

KLove did a more exaggerated lean to his right recently and got the call:

Read on Twitter

Was it dumb for PG to rely on the officials in that situation? Yes.

But what we ask from officials is consistency, and that's not consistency. When we see guys do worse "lean-ins" all the time and get the whistle.

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