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Round 1: GT #6: Raptors @ #SoWizards 7 PM (NBATV/NBCSW/1500 AM)

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WILL THERE BE A GAME 7 ON SUNDAY?!

YES, WE NEED IT FOR THE CULTURE
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NO, CAUSE I'M A RAPS FAN AND I'M GONNA DIE IF WE LOSE
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Re: Round 1: GT #6: Raptors @ #SoWizards 7 PM (NBATV/NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#381 » by ptptpt » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:14 pm

Tofubeque wrote:This year's Wizards and Blazers teams remind me so much of what the Raptors were the last 4 years. 2 all-star guards, talent to at least win a series, but an offense that keeps the ball in their hands too much and is too predictable. Also way too many midrange jumpers. That **** was infuriating in 2015 and I definitely feel for a fanbase that still has to put up with it.

So what happened since then? Last year the Raptors traded for Ibaka and PJ Tucker and rode that hype into taking 6 games to beat a worse version of the Bucks, and then getting destroyed by the Cavs in 4 with LeBron spinning the ball in his hands.

That culminating embarrassment gave Ujiri carte blanche to require all the stubborn players and head coach do the opposite of what they'd been doing to that point. DeRozan and Lowry were told to sit down and be humble. Casey was made to turn the offense over to Nick Nurse, the only assistant with a clue on that end. All of a sudden Raptors were running summer scrimmages where non-paint 2s counted for -1. That would have been unthinkable just a year ago. It seems obvious now that other playoff-bounced teams should follow that formula.

Ernie Grunfeld is not Masai Ujiri, so I agree with assessments here that he's your first and biggest problem. On the bright side, I don't think the Wizards are in as bad a spot with their backcourt as the Blazers are. Wall and Beal at least are tall and play defense sometimes.


I can definitely respect this insightful post. There is a bright side.
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Post#382 » by payitforward » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:18 pm

NatP4 wrote:Yet another shining example for why this guy shouldn’t be back next year:

Read on Twitter


Brooks actually believes that injuries and lack of 3pt shooting are the reasons for the failure that was this season. Once again he singles out Wall and Beal like they are above the rest of the roster.

He doesn’t even sound like a NBA coach. Completely clueless

Give the guy a break, Nat. You lose a big game, your season is over, you're pretty down. But you still have to face the media & answer whatever questions it pleases them to ask you.

I'm no fan of Brooks, but I'm not interested in crucifying him over this kind of press conference blah blah.
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Post#383 » by montestewart » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:27 am

payitforward wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Yet another shining example for why this guy shouldn’t be back next year:

Read on Twitter


Brooks actually believes that injuries and lack of 3pt shooting are the reasons for the failure that was this season. Once again he singles out Wall and Beal like they are above the rest of the roster.

He doesn’t even sound like a NBA coach. Completely clueless

Give the guy a break, Nat. You lose a big game, your season is over, you're pretty down. But you still have to face the media & answer whatever questions it pleases them to ask you.

I'm no fan of Brooks, but I'm not interested in crucifying him over this kind of press conference blah blah.

I'm with you PIF, but after a ****** loss like that to end an underwhelming season, I figure every fan has a right to rant in any direction needed in order to process yet another season being a Wizards fan. We all process/grieve/rant in our own ways.
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Re: Round 1: GT #6: Raptors @ #SoWizards 7 PM (NBATV/NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#384 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:04 pm

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nate33 wrote:We lost this game because of defense, not offense. From the 10:30 mark in the 4th quarter, all the way down to the :30 mark, the Raptors scored on 13 out of 16 possessions. It was a joke. They scored on the pick and roll almost every time. And whenever they missed, they get the offensive board. You can't erase a deficit if you can't get a stop.


This is true

However the turnovers in the 4th quarter were killer. And it stemmed from useless isolation or one pass possessions.
That isolation also stops player movement and it translate to the defensive end.

When Wall starts dribbling the life out of the basketball he also dribbles the life out of his own players legs. A lot of Toronto's baskets came immediately after a forced Wall shot or a missed Beal shot.

Bad offense led to bad defense.
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Re: Round 1: GT #6: Raptors @ #SoWizards 7 PM (NBATV/NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#385 » by queridiculo » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:32 pm

Predictably Leonsis already has his excuses for the 2017/18 season at the ready, don't expect any change going forward.

DC area fans deserve better, but we all know nothing's going to happen.
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Re: Round 1: GT #6: Raptors @ #SoWizards 7 PM (NBATV/NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#386 » by montestewart » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:59 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
nate33 wrote:We lost this game because of defense, not offense. From the 10:30 mark in the 4th quarter, all the way down to the :30 mark, the Raptors scored on 13 out of 16 possessions. It was a joke. They scored on the pick and roll almost every time. And whenever they missed, they get the offensive board. You can't erase a deficit if you can't get a stop.


This is true

However the turnovers in the 4th quarter were killer. And it stemmed from useless isolation or one pass possessions.
That isolation also stops player movement and it translate to the defensive end.

When Wall starts dribbling the life out of the basketball he also dribbles the life out of his own players legs. A lot of Toronto's baskets came immediately after a forced Wall shot or a missed Beal shot.

Bad offense led to bad defense.


Or they just stop moving. It's one thing to remain in motion following some sort of scheme, but just to remain in relentless motion just in case the ricochet rabbit handling the ball somehow sees you open seems to eventually kill movement. Arenas used to do some of that too, and he'd launch sometimes without really paying attention to his teammates, but at least he had multiple speeds (none as fast as Wall), fakes, and a killer clutch shot to bail him out.
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Re: Round 1: GT #6: Raptors @ #SoWizards 7 PM (NBATV/NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#387 » by payitforward » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:56 pm

montestewart wrote:
payitforward wrote:
NatP4 wrote:...Brooks actually believes that injuries and lack of 3pt shooting are the reasons for the failure that was this season. Once again he singles out Wall and Beal like they are above the rest of the roster.

He doesn’t even sound like a NBA coach. Completely clueless

Give the guy a break, Nat. You lose a big game, your season is over, you're pretty down. But you still have to face the media & answer whatever questions it pleases them to ask you.

I'm no fan of Brooks, but I'm not interested in crucifying him over this kind of press conference blah blah.

I'm with you PIF, but after a ****** loss like that to end an underwhelming season, I figure every fan has a right to rant in any direction needed in order to process yet another season being a Wizards fan. We all process/grieve/rant in our own ways.

Fair enough, Monte.

Yet, all they need to do to make Nat happy & PIF happy & all of us happy is to fire Brooks & fire Ernie. So so easy.... :)
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Re: Round 1: GT #6: Raptors @ #SoWizards 7 PM (NBATV/NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#388 » by NatP4 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:31 am

Rockets just won a 2nd round playoff game in which they never once played two bigs. Stayed small at the 4 all game. Ryan Anderson only played center. Ariza/Tucker/Mbah a moute handled the power forward position.

We hired the wrong guy
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Post#389 » by queridiculo » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:22 pm

Something that I haven't seen mentioned around here.

So apparently Porter has been playing with compartment syndrome since game 1 of the series, an injury the team misdiagnosed as a calf strain.

WTF, how are any of these butchers allowed to continue to work for this team?
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Post#390 » by payitforward » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm

NatP4 wrote:Rockets just won a 2nd round playoff game in which they never once played two bigs. Stayed small at the 4 all game. Ryan Anderson only played center. Ariza/Tucker/Mbah a moute handled the power forward position.

We hired the wrong guy

Of course they do have James Harden & Chris Paul, both of whom are among the best rebounding guards in the league. & they do have Clint Capela, who is a big-time rebounder as well. & they were up by 25 at the half.

But, what is admittedly very weird is that aside from Gobert, who played 35 minutes & managed only 9 rebounds (way below his average of over 12 per 35 minutes), Utah's entire front court, starters & bench combined, corralled a total of 11 rebounds, all defensive rebounds, in 95 minutes of playing time. That's ridiculous!

2 minutes into the 2d quarter, the Jazz were down by 18 points. I'd say Utah packed it in early in this game.
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Re: Round 1: GT #6: Raptors @ #SoWizards 7 PM (NBATV/NBCSW/1500 AM) 

Post#391 » by FAH1223 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:08 pm

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LOVERRO: Not even Wall thinks the Wizards have the right pieces

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Toronto Raptors guard DeMar DeRozan, left, talks with Washington Wizards guard John Wall (2) after Game 6 of an NBA basketball first-round playoff series Friday, April 27, 2018, in Washington. The Raptors won 102-92, and won the series. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Thom Loverro - - Sunday, April 29, 2018
ANALYSIS/OPINION:

Washington Wizards owner Ted Leonsis, following their Game 6 first-round exit at the hand of the Toronto Raptors Friday night, let the team’s fans know that he feels their pain in a “note to DC family:”

“Our singular goal in everything we do is to win a championship. You deserve it. Our city deserves it. It remains our first and only priority and I think our team showed this year that we have the pieces to make it happen.”

I prefer, though, to remember Leonsis’ tweet following his team’s opening season 120-115 win over the Philadelphia 76ers at the Capital One Arena:

“Process started here, 4 first round picks contributed to last nights win. Trust. Verify.”

What arrogance.

How can a man who is hailed as a visionary be so clueless?

Who, after the years of failure that have defined this franchise before and since Leonsis arrived, plants the flag of validation after one win?

A desperate man who is clinging to the hope that, despite all evidence otherwise, he will be proven right? Or a delusional man who truly believes that, despite all evidence otherwise, he is right?

The Wizards continue to wallow in the pool of mediocrity that has pretty much defined the franchise now for nearly 50 years, a franchise that hasn’t won 50 regular season games for four decades, an organization that hasn’t made it past the second round of the NBA playoffs in almost a half century.

This was the team that Leonsis took over when he assumed full ownership of the Wizards after the death of Abe Pollin in 2009 — the latest version at the time being the dysfunctional, embarrassing team built by general manager Ernie Grunfeld, who just completed his 15th season in the job and, based on some rumors, received a contract extension during this season, with a regular season record of 526-665 to show for it.

If ever a franchise cried out for change from Day 1 of new ownership, it was when Leonsis took over. Instead, he has embraced the status quo — keeping Grunfeld on board, year after year, ignoring the damage that it is doing to his fan base here, damage that will take years to repair.

A few playoff appearances and 45-win seasons aren’t going to cut it. Or didn’t you hear the boos at the arena at the end of Game 6 Friday night?

Contrary to Leonsis’ statement, no one believes they have the “pieces” here to win an NBA championship — not even his $207 million point guard John Wall, who, in his season-ending meeting with reporters, put the onus on the “front office” to get the missing pieces.

“It’s just figuring out what pieces we can add to our team,” Wall told reporters. “What guys can stay and what guys can go … that really want to win and really want to take that next step.

“I don’t put the pressure on everybody else. I put the pressure on myself because I am that franchise guy. I am the guy that has to be the leader of the team, that has to get everybody better, make everybody better on my team. At the same time, if I’m doing my part, the other 14 guys on my team have to do their part at getting better every year. Just being true to the team. Our problem at a lot of times is guys don’t understand guys their role and respect their role.”

In other words, it’s not me – it’s everyone else.

He is right, in the sense that this team’s failure to move forward is in large part because of Grunfeld’s inability to build a roster around his high-priced stars — Wall, Bradley Beal and Otto Porter, with one bad contract, like Ian Mahinmi’s $64 million deal, after another.

But another part of the problem is Grunfeld’s inability to attract quality star free agents to Washington — like Al Horford two years ago — leaving the general manager little choice but to spend the money on keeping his own players. And these three — Wall, Beal, and Porter — may simply not be able to take this next step.

Paul Pierce, who played in Washington three seasons ago and was a driving force behind their second playoff push in the Wall-Beal era, told ESPN last week that three years later, this team is still missing that leadership quality Pierce brought to the roster after a Game 2 confrontation on the bench between Wall and Marcin Gortat, with Beal covering his face with a towel.

“They’re lacking that veteran presence, such as myself, to get in the huddle and say look guys, this is what we have to do’” Pierce said. “Now, I tried to breed them into that role. Now it’s up to John and Bradley to step up. Everything they’re doing is between their head. They’re frustrated with one another, they’re not playing well, and if they don’t get it together, they can’t be like this.”

“For them not to break up, they would have to get to the conference finals,” Pierce said. “If they don’t get to the conference finals, I do believe that a major change has to happen. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out and you have to move on and maybe start all over or see what you can get for your talent.”

His partner on the show, Hall of Famer Tracy McGrady, agreed that changes need to be made. “I think changes have to happen,” McGrady said. “You look at how these guys responded when John was out of the lineup. You look at the things that were said in the media when John was out. I just think you have to move either John or Bradley Beal to get some assets back.”

Well, that’s not happening. And even if it did, does anyone really trust Grunfeld to get the most for an asset like Bradley Beal or John Wall?

No, these are your Washington Wizards now and for the future — 41, 45, maybe 49 wins a season, sometimes fun to watch, often frustrating and uninspiring, and finished by May.

Washington and these Wizards fans don’t deserve that.

I kept that tweet from Ted Leonsis after the Wizards opening night win because I could trust that that man who wrote it would look foolish by the end of the season. Friday night his team verified it.
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