Better current player: Brown or Tatum?

[Moose23]

Agreed. He just fits better with hayward amd Brown. And Tatum has such high value, horfords fit at pf......just makes sense to see what center could be had for Tatum.

Cause thats what this team lacks.

Perhaps a 3 team deal with lac netting wiggins+, minny netting tatum and jordan and boston netting KAT.

Irving/terry/larkin
Brown/smart/bird
Hayward/morris/semi
Horford/theis/yabu
KAT/moose or baynes/vet or draft

I agree with the general sentiment in the thread. "Currently", based on his playoff performance, Brown is better.Next year at this time, I think we'll be saying Jayson is better. Long Term, I believe Jason will have the better career. Have to give up one of them in a Khawi / AD trade? The answer is Jaylen. Although I hope we can keep both of them.

Ya i suspect I'm in the minority on this opinin, but I think Jayen will be the better long term player. I just like the combination of elite athleticism and the drive he has to be great combined with his already serious improvement. But time will tell. Its craxy we have both of these guys. Hopefully we add another with the Lakings pick. And another with the Memphis pick.

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https://www.celticsblog.com/2018/4/27/17288698/brad-stevens-on-stagnant-boston-offense-we-gotta-get-in-popping is a Celtics blog article about what the Celtics offense looks like when it's working well. There's a video with about 4 plays. Brown is constantly moving to open spaces where it's easy to make a play for him. Tatum does that once, but it's more sophisticated than any of Brown's moves, in that he fakes one way (without the ball) and then goes around his man in the other direction to receive a pass.

I think that's pretty representative of how their games look in general. Brown make more good plays than Tatum; Tatum makes more great ones than Brown.

[Braindesign]

I agree with the general sentiment in the thread. "Currently", based on his playoff performance, Brown is better.Next year at this time, I think we'll be saying Jayson is better. Long Term, I believe Jason will have the better career. Have to give up one of them in a Khawi / AD trade? The answer is Jaylen. Although I hope we can keep both of them.

Ya i suspect I'm in the minority on this opinin, but I think Jayen will be the better long term player. I just like the combination of elite athleticism and the drive he has to be great combined with his already serious improvement. But time will tell. Its craxy we have both of these guys. Hopefully we add another with the Lakings pick. And another with the Memphis pick.

I'll join you in the minority. I feel pretty confident in saying Brown will be an All Star and the best player on the team next season. He'll be out there 38-40 minutes a night and the leader of the team. Kyrie will be a close second. Tatum is going to be an excellent player in his own right. A multiple All Star selection for sure. Brown will be the Superstar though. I see him with Kobe Bryant potential minus the ball hog tendency. He's got the intelligence, drive and natural athleticism to advance his game rapidly. We are seeing it now. Next season he takes a big step

[sully00]

I agree with the general sentiment in the thread. "Currently", based on his playoff performance, Brown is better.Next year at this time, I think we'll be saying Jayson is better. Long Term, I believe Jason will have the better career. Have to give up one of them in a Khawi / AD trade? The answer is Jaylen. Although I hope we can keep both of them.

Ya i suspect I'm in the minority on this opinin, but I think Jayen will be the better long term player. I just like the combination of elite athleticism and the drive he has to be great combined with his already serious improvement. But time will tell. Its craxy we have both of these guys. Hopefully we add another with the Lakings pick. And another with the Memphis pick.

I'll join you in the minority. I feel pretty confident in saying Brown will be an All Star and the best player on the team next season. He'll be out there 38-40 minutes a night and the leader of the team. Kyrie will be a close second. Tatum is going to be an excellent player in his own right. A multiple All Star selection for sure. Brown will be the Superstar though. I see him with Kobe Bryant potential minus the ball hog tendency. He's got the intelligence, drive and natural athleticism to advance his game rapidly. We are seeing it now. Next season he takes a big step

The challenge in that thinking is that a year ago Brown could barely stay on the floor while Tatum is the first Celtic rookie since Bird to start every game (Pierce started all but 1 in a strike shortened season and is the better comparison to Tatum) that difference is really stark. Brown's growth this season has been fantastic but if you give Tatum that same 25-30% bump in scoring rate then he is going to be over 20 ppg. I just think the game comes much easier to Tatum and his path to being a star is much clearer I think Brown has to work hard for everything he gets.

[nickgammon]

Ya i suspect I'm in the minority on this opinin, but I think Jayen will be the better long term player. I just like the combination of elite athleticism and the drive he has to be great combined with his already serious improvement. But time will tell. Its craxy we have both of these guys. Hopefully we add another with the Lakings pick. And another with the Memphis pick.

I'll join you in the minority. I feel pretty confident in saying Brown will be an All Star and the best player on the team next season. He'll be out there 38-40 minutes a night and the leader of the team. Kyrie will be a close second. Tatum is going to be an excellent player in his own right. A multiple All Star selection for sure. Brown will be the Superstar though. I see him with Kobe Bryant potential minus the ball hog tendency. He's got the intelligence, drive and natural athleticism to advance his game rapidly. We are seeing it now. Next season he takes a big step

The challenge in that thinking is that a year ago Brown could barely stay on the floor while Tatum is the first Celtic rookie since Bird to start every game (Pierce started all but 1 in a strike shortened season and is the better comparison to Tatum) that difference is really stark. Brown's growth this season has been fantastic but if you give Tatum that same 25-30% bump in scoring rate then he is going to be over 20 ppg. I just think the game comes much easier to Tatum and his path to being a star is much clearer I think Brown has to work hard for everything he gets.

Honestly, the only thing holding Jaylen back is FT shooting and an inconsistent mid-range game. Once he starts hitting 75-80% from the line and gets a bit better with his pump fakes, he’ll be an elite offensive talent. Jayson has a more polished game, but Jaylen has athletic skills that you can’t teach.

Both will be fantastic players in their own right though. I just feel lucky that we ended up with both.

[claycarver]

Both will be fantastic players in their own right though. I just feel lucky that we ended up with both.

I agree with the sentiment, it's awesome that we have both. But I still remember how unlucky people felt when Danny "reached" for Brown. And when we traded out of the first overall pick...you never do that, they said. Less than a year ago, the "Danny can't draft" meme was in high gear.

I think we're lucky that we landed our GM. After that, it's less about luck and more about Danny's general badassery.

[nickgammon]

Both will be fantastic players in their own right though. I just feel lucky that we ended up with both.

I agree with the sentiment, it's awesome that we have both. But I still remember how unlucky people felt when Danny "reached" for Brown. And when we traded out of the first overall pick...you never do that, they said. Less than a year ago, the "Danny can't draft" meme was in high gear.

I think we're lucky that we landed our GM. After that, it's less about luck and more about Danny's general badassery.

Yeah, Danny hasn’t been in as good of a drafting position in 2016 and 2017. He’s drafted some solid players, just not any elite-level talent. He completely nailed it with Jaylen and Jayson. His hiring of Brad also has helped out a great deal since Doc was allergic to developing players.

I was beyond thrilled when he drafted Jaylen though. I did not expect him to come on as quickly as he did, but it was clear that if he could learn to shoot the 3 that he would transition very well to the NBA with his athleticism and intelligence.

Jayson’s another guy that I know will develop into a 20+ PPG guy, but I had questions about his defense. He has his rookie struggles, but he’s much further ahead than advertised on the defensive end. He’s far from Melo 2.0 in that regard.

[Braindesign]

Ya i suspect I'm in the minority on this opinin, but I think Jayen will be the better long term player. I just like the combination of elite athleticism and the drive he has to be great combined with his already serious improvement. But time will tell. Its craxy we have both of these guys. Hopefully we add another with the Lakings pick. And another with the Memphis pick.

I'll join you in the minority. I feel pretty confident in saying Brown will be an All Star and the best player on the team next season. He'll be out there 38-40 minutes a night and the leader of the team. Kyrie will be a close second. Tatum is going to be an excellent player in his own right. A multiple All Star selection for sure. Brown will be the Superstar though. I see him with Kobe Bryant potential minus the ball hog tendency. He's got the intelligence, drive and natural athleticism to advance his game rapidly. We are seeing it now. Next season he takes a big step

The challenge in that thinking is that a year ago Brown could barely stay on the floor while Tatum is the first Celtic rookie since Bird to start every game (Pierce started all but 1 in a strike shortened season and is the better comparison to Tatum) that difference is really stark. Brown's growth this season has been fantastic but if you give Tatum that same 25-30% bump in scoring rate then he is going to be over 20 ppg. I just think the game comes much easier to Tatum and his path to being a star is much clearer I think Brown has to work hard for everything he gets.

A very fair argument. However, Tatum had the benefit of likely better coaching his entire life. His dad was a college player and high school coach. Brown's dad was a boxer. Tatum played for arguably the greatest college coach of all time. Brown played for a subpar program at Cal.

I could be wrong, but Brown just has something to him. He's elite athletically and intellectually to go along with incredible drive. His ceiling just looks to be higher to me than Tatum's and I think he's going to get there a lot faster than people think. 1-2 years from now I think people will be questioning why he wasn't selected second or perhaps even first. I'm that high on him.

[return2glory]

Some of the green glasses need to come off when it comes to Brown. A few people on this thread throwing out comparisons to Kobe, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen. Pump the brakes and take off the green glasses.

Brown’s improvements this year have been nice. There is no reason to compare him to all time greats. Brown had a long ways to go before he is anything close to those guys.

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I just think the game comes much easier to Tatum and his path to being a star is much clearer I think Brown has to work hard for everything he gets.

Even though he's younger, Tatum has had high-quality basketball training for much longer than Brown has.

[Fencer reregistered]

Some of the green glasses need to come off when it comes to Brown. A few people on this thread throwing out comparisons to Kobe, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen. Pump the brakes and take off the green glasses.

Brown’s improvements this year have been nice. There is no reason to compare him to all time greats. Brown had a long ways to go before he is anything close to those guys.

I introduced Reggie Miller/Ray Allen analogies to make a point: Catch-and-shoot scoring can be very, very valuable. Obviously, Klay Thompson is a better comp right now than first-ballot HoFers with debatable defensive skills. Ditto a comp to Avery Bradley. But I think guys who are good at getting open and good at scoring when they do are consistently undervalued compared to the guys who are idolized for being able to score even when they're well-covered.

[sully00]

I'll join you in the minority. I feel pretty confident in saying Brown will be an All Star and the best player on the team next season. He'll be out there 38-40 minutes a night and the leader of the team. Kyrie will be a close second. Tatum is going to be an excellent player in his own right. A multiple All Star selection for sure. Brown will be the Superstar though. I see him with Kobe Bryant potential minus the ball hog tendency. He's got the intelligence, drive and natural athleticism to advance his game rapidly. We are seeing it now. Next season he takes a big step

The challenge in that thinking is that a year ago Brown could barely stay on the floor while Tatum is the first Celtic rookie since Bird to start every game (Pierce started all but 1 in a strike shortened season and is the better comparison to Tatum) that difference is really stark. Brown's growth this season has been fantastic but if you give Tatum that same 25-30% bump in scoring rate then he is going to be over 20 ppg. I just think the game comes much easier to Tatum and his path to being a star is much clearer I think Brown has to work hard for everything he gets.

A very fair argument. However, Tatum had the benefit of likely better coaching his entire life. His dad was a college player and high school coach. Brown's dad was a boxer. Tatum played for arguably the greatest college coach of all time. Brown played for a subpar program at Cal.

I could be wrong, but Brown just has something to him. He's elite athletically and intellectually to go along with incredible drive. His ceiling just looks to be higher to me than Tatum's and I think he's going to get there a lot faster than people think. 1-2 years from now I think people will be questioning why he wasn't selected second or perhaps even first. I'm that high on him.

I love me some Jaylen Brown don't misunderstand, but the ceiling thing is where I think your wrong I think he will always have to bust his ass to score 17-18 ppg while Tatum is the guy who will have 18-20 and you won't even realize he was having a game yet. Tatum's ability to see the floor and handle the ball at NBA speed is just so much more advanced than Brown. But I think Brown is the man to man defender of the two, the lock down guy.

[keevsnick1]

The challenge in that thinking is that a year ago Brown could barely stay on the floor while Tatum is the first Celtic rookie since Bird to start every game (Pierce started all but 1 in a strike shortened season and is the better comparison to Tatum) that difference is really stark. Brown's growth this season has been fantastic but if you give Tatum that same 25-30% bump in scoring rate then he is going to be over 20 ppg. I just think the game comes much easier to Tatum and his path to being a star is much clearer I think Brown has to work hard for everything he gets.

A very fair argument. However, Tatum had the benefit of likely better coaching his entire life. His dad was a college player and high school coach. Brown's dad was a boxer. Tatum played for arguably the greatest college coach of all time. Brown played for a subpar program at Cal.

I could be wrong, but Brown just has something to him. He's elite athletically and intellectually to go along with incredible drive. His ceiling just looks to be higher to me than Tatum's and I think he's going to get there a lot faster than people think. 1-2 years from now I think people will be questioning why he wasn't selected second or perhaps even first. I'm that high on him.

I love me some Jaylen Brown don't misunderstand, but the ceiling thing is where I think your wrong I think he will always have to bust his ass to score 17-18 ppg while Tatum is the guy who will have 18-20 and you won't even realize he was having a game yet. Tatum's ability to see the floor and handle the ball at NBA speed is just so much more advanced than Brown. But I think Brown is the man to man defender of the two, the lock down guy.

Count me among those who think Brown is gonna be a better player than Tatum. I get why people like Tatum's scoring, he clearly has more advanced scoring moves than Brown does right now. But I think Brown actually creates more space open on his shots due to his athleticm and speed, while it fees like Tatum has to fight a little harder to gt his shot. They go in, cuz he's very skilled, but I'm not sure its going to scale up as simply to 20+ points a game as some others think. Meanwhile brown is already pretty solid offensively, even with alot of relatively low hanging fruit he could improve on (free throw shooting, finishing, ect). I like that Brown has alreayd showed some pretty impressive growth, that gives me hope he'll continue to improve. We just dont know yet that Tatum will make the same leap.

But ultimately, who cares what any of think? We'll just have to wait and see. Either, both or neither of them could end up all stars.

[Braindesign]

A very fair argument. However, Tatum had the benefit of likely better coaching his entire life. His dad was a college player and high school coach. Brown's dad was a boxer. Tatum played for arguably the greatest college coach of all time. Brown played for a subpar program at Cal.

I could be wrong, but Brown just has something to him. He's elite athletically and intellectually to go along with incredible drive. His ceiling just looks to be higher to me than Tatum's and I think he's going to get there a lot faster than people think. 1-2 years from now I think people will be questioning why he wasn't selected second or perhaps even first. I'm that high on him.

I love me some Jaylen Brown don't misunderstand, but the ceiling thing is where I think your wrong I think he will always have to bust his ass to score 17-18 ppg while Tatum is the guy who will have 18-20 and you won't even realize he was having a game yet. Tatum's ability to see the floor and handle the ball at NBA speed is just so much more advanced than Brown. But I think Brown is the man to man defender of the two, the lock down guy.

Count me among those who think Brown is gonna be a better player than Tatum. I get why people like Tatum's scoring, he clearly has more advanced scoring moves than Brown does right now. But I think Brown actually creates more space open on his shots due to his athleticm and speed, while it fees like Tatum has to fight a little harder to gt his shot. .

Well said. That's exactly what I see

[jumblin]

Brown is a far better defender, better with his off hand, more athletic.
Tatum has a wider arsenal of moves, better shooter, better offensive instincts.

Id take Brown. Tatum really needs to learn how to use his off hand.

[cek]

Jaylen wasn't good as Tatum in his rookie year but he improved so much.

So far we cannot say if Tatum will reach higher levels in the next years or he has already reached his top.

[Moose23]

Some of the green glasses need to come off when it comes to Brown. A few people on this thread throwing out comparisons to Kobe, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen. Pump the brakes and take off the green glasses.

Brown’s improvements this year have been nice. There is no reason to compare him to all time greats. Brown had a long ways to go before he is anything close to those guys.

As much as I hate it, offensively at least, brown is more like a demar derozan.



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[Tyakack]

Jaylen wasn't good as Tatum in his rookie year but he improved so much.

So far we cannot say if Tatum will reach higher levels in the next years or he has already reached his top.

I think it's pretty safe to say he hasn't reached his top at age 19.

[return2glory]

Some of the green glasses need to come off when it comes to Brown. A few people on this thread throwing out comparisons to Kobe, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen. Pump the brakes and take off the green glasses.

Brown’s improvements this year have been nice. There is no reason to compare him to all time greats. Brown had a long ways to go before he is anything close to those guys.

As much as I hate it, offensively at least, brown is more like a demar derozan.



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That’s more of a good comparison. But Derozan is a legit all-star. He is a very good offensive player. Brown on the other hand doesn’t know what he is doing half the time with the ball in his hands. I get that he is young and will benefit from more experience but he is a ways away from even being an all star player.

[liveod]

Tatum needs to play defense with his body, not his hands. Once he gets there, develops a left hand and has 5 or 6 go to moves, he'll be a superstar.