ECSF: P1 | (1) Toronto Raptors vs Cleveland Cavaliers (4) | TIED 0-0

Warchant · Post #341 » by **Warchant** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:30 am

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Whats the series odds?

Raptors -220
Cavs +180

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Mister Ze · Post #342 » by **Mister Ze** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:32 am

Raps in 6 if we're legit otherwise we falter in 7

Heej · Post #343 » by **Heej** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:34 am

Only way the Raptors lose imo is if George Hill proves to be a matchup problem for Lowry on defense and Lowry can't hold up on switches vs Bron on 1-3 PnRs or KLove on 1-4 PnRs (Lowry will do well here tho). As for Derozan we've had years of film showing JR has no chance in hell of guarding him. In a series that will ultimately be decided by smallball, if Cedi Osman proves to be a serviceable defender on DD and actually gets minutes and doesn't grenade the offense the Cavs might have enough to squeak by. Pascal Siakam is going to make KLoves life a living hell the same way Thad Young did. The only way to unlock him is by once again running a 1-4 PNR, and Hill is the only capable ballhandler.

fart · Post #344 » by **fart** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:35 am

Basketball is all about matchups. Indy was just a bad matchup for Cleveland. I expect a very good performance vs the Raps.

Ramed Nazored · Post #345 » by **Ramed Nazored** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:37 am

Heej wrote:Only way the Raptors lose imo is if George Hill proves to be a matchup problem for Lowry on defense and Lowry can't hold up on switches vs Bron on 1-3 PnRs or KLove on 1-4 PnRs (Lowry will do well here tho). As for Derozan we've had years of film showing JR has no chance in hell of guarding him. In a series that will ultimately be decided by smallball, if Cedi Osman proves to be a serviceable defender on DD and actually gets minutes and doesn't grenade the offense the Cavs might have enough to squeak by. Pascal Siakam is going to make KLoves life a living hell the same way Thad Young did. The only way to unlock him is by once again running a 1-4 PNR, and Hill is the only capable ballhandler.

This is all accurate.

Would you say Lue stick with TT in the starting 5?

CptCanada · Post #346 » by **CptCanada** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:37 am

People who are saying that LeBron has some mental edge over the Raptors are stupid. He has simply had a better team than the Raptors every single year and he plays his guts out every time that he plays Toronto. For the first time ever LeBron does not have a better team than the Raptors, figure it out.

AIfan3 · Post #347 » by **AIfan3** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:38 am

Raps in 5. This Cavs team has got to be amongst the worst playoff teams in NBA history, Remove LeBron and its at most a 25 win team..

Atmanne · Post #348 » by **Atmanne** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:42 am

Froob wrote:Thinking Cavs in six....their defense actually looked really good vs Indy and Raps don’t have the defense the Pacers do. Granted Cavs don’t have Kyrie anymore who used to torch the Raps. It’s now or never for Toronto. If they can really bring it defensively, they should be able to do it.

Not sure why you feel the Raps don't have the defense the Pacers do. They were comfortably better than Indiana on both sides of the ball this season.

Wolfgang630 · Post #349 » by **Wolfgang630** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:43 am

I’m gonna have to root for the Raptors on this one. It’s time for Lowry and Derozan to prove they can beat Lebron mentally. It’s time to show all these years of work the Raptors have put in come to fruition. This is their BEST CHANCE to get to the NBA Finals.

Warchant · Post #350 » by **Warchant** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:45 am

fart wrote:Basketball is all about matchups. Indy was just a bad matchup for Cleveland. I expect a very good performance vs the Raps.

I would love an explanation how Indy is a bad matchup?

Heej · Post #351 » by **Heej** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:47 am

Ramed Nazored wrote:
Heej wrote:Only way the Raptors lose imo is if George Hill proves to be a matchup problem for Lowry on defense and Lowry can't hold up on switches vs Bron on 1-3 PnRs or KLove on 1-4 PnRs (Lowry will do well here tho). As for Derozan we've had years of film showing JR has no chance in hell of guarding him. In a series that will ultimately be decided by smallball, if Cedi Osman proves to be a serviceable defender on DD and actually gets minutes and doesn't grenade the offense the Cavs might have enough to squeak by. Pascal Siakam is going to make KLoves life a living hell the same way Thad Young did. The only way to unlock him is by once again running a 1-4 PNR, and Hill is the only capable ballhandler.

This is all accurate.

Would you say Lue stick with TT in the starting 5?

Knowing Lue he's going to ride with his guys and go big to start the series now that TTs corpse resurrected. Then JV is gonna eat his lunch money the first 2 games and force Lue to go to a smallball lineup in Game 3 and start Korver over TT.

The ever fascinating subplot of the Jonas vs TT debate will continue. For a few years there it looked like TT had him and this season JV has come storming back and taking the lead in this debate.

Jazz9 · Post #352 » by **Jazz9** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:48 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:I’m gonna have to root for the Raptors on this one. It’s time for Lowry and Derozan to prove they can beat Lebron mentally. It’s time to show all these years of work the Raptors have put in come to fruition. This is their BEST CHANCE to get to the NBA Finals.

They won't beat him mentally.
They should beat the Cavs though because they're the better team this year

Kobeshow · Post #353 » by **Kobeshow** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:49 am

Warchant wrote:
fart wrote:Basketball is all about matchups. Indy was just a bad matchup for Cleveland. I expect a very good performance vs the Raps.

I would love an explanation how Indy is a bad matchup?

It's funny because last 2 weeks of the regular season I read on the internet that Cavs were trying to avoid Miami because it was a bad matchup for them. Now Indy is a bad matchup.

I guess any decent basketball team is a bad matchup for the Cavs

Heej · Post #354 » by **Heej** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:52 am

Warchant wrote:
fart wrote:Basketball is all about matchups. Indy was just a bad matchup for Cleveland. I expect a very good performance vs the Raps.

I would love an explanation how Indy is a bad matchup?

Indy has 2 very good defensive point guards (Collison and CoJo) that can pick up full court and get the Cavs out of their sets. This has an ancillary effect of draining LeBron's tank as he's forced to bring the ball up every possession. Oladipo is unguardable in isolation, the only one who even remotely has a chance is LeBron but Oladipo still crosses him up and blows by him basically at will. Thad Young is one of the best Stretch 4 defenders in the league. The pacers as a unit have solid 2 way players rounding that out with Bogdanovic and Turner.

Oladipos singular brilliance in single coverage combined with the Pacers outright dominance by their bigs in the post and on the offensive glass vs switches forced the Cavs into playing a gimmick defense to have any hope of containing him. Also, these Pacers are arguably the most physical team in the playoffs after the Heat and the Warriors. The Cavs are soft except for George Hill, JR, and LeBron. The extra physical teams have always done a number on the Cavs

JordansBulls · Post #355 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:55 am

This looks like a game 7 in Toronto to be honest. I just don't see Toronto ever being able to knock a team out early in a series. Even in 2016 there best year they went 7 in both the 1st and 2nd round and could have lost both times.

Wolfgang630 · Post #356 » by **Wolfgang630** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:57 am

Jazz9 wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:I’m gonna have to root for the Raptors on this one. It’s time for Lowry and Derozan to prove they can beat Lebron mentally. It’s time to show all these years of work the Raptors have put in come to fruition. This is their BEST CHANCE to get to the NBA Finals.

They won't beat him mentally.
They should beat the Cavs though because they're the better team this year

Maybe you should understand what I'm saying? Jesus you people will go the bat for Lebron. Lowry and Derozan have sucked ass when they played against him and had NOTHING to do with Lebron's teams being better than the Raptors. It was a mentality thing for Lowry and Derozan. Just being able to carry their teams and perform is breaking through mentally.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #357 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:59 am

Raps should be favored. Will be a tough series with only a day off in between games. Bron is much better energy wise when he gets the two days off in between games.

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ElectricMayhem · Post #358 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:00 am

I still think Cleveland is the most likely team to come out of the East. Didn't matter when they were down 7 at halftime in a 2-2 series or after they got their souls eaten in Game 6. I'd like to see the Raptors win, but I see Cleveland in 6. They seemed to control the Raptors when the game was on the line the last couple games late in the regular season.

LightTheBeam · Post #359 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:10 am

Cavs in 6. Raptors don't have a single guy who can guard lebron. Hes going to destroy OG to start the series, siakam will be their best bet but hes not fast enough on the wing.

Lowry and DeRozan will take turns having their usual 5-18 shooting nights.

Not to mention George hill got his confidence back, and Love should have an easier time finding his spots. This last game helped the Cavs role players find their confidence.

CodeBreaker · Post #360 » by **CodeBreaker** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:10 am

DeRozan and Lowry are mentally defeated just be seeing LeBron across the court

They won't win this again

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