Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[GimmeDat]

Went straight to their board and the most recent post is someone wanting to trade Oubre for #23 (Indiana). I'd happily one up that and give them the Pels pick.

Will further shorten our cap space window once we have to extend him as well though.

Man, that'd be a hell of a draft day... We'd obviously have Ayton, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba, or Carter, with our own pick. One of them, plus Oubre, added to what we've got, would be extremely fun. Especially if we somehow got Ayton.

Why are people so high on Oubre? He isn't a difference maker and will probably want a huge deal like Porter got(yuck). Other than LaVine I want to save our money to go after some stars in the future.

Way I see it, that 2 way wing archetype is not an easy one to find. Oubre is 22, has improved every season, I think has a positive trajectory efficiency wise, athletic, etc.

I'm a bit concerned about what he might warrant with his 2nd contract, that is my reservation. You could probably the pick and sign Jabari for similar money to what Oubre would command, for instance. Or of course, just keep the money free completely.

[WindyCityBorn]

Man, that'd be a hell of a draft day... We'd obviously have Ayton, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba, or Carter, with our own pick. One of them, plus Oubre, added to what we've got, would be extremely fun. Especially if we somehow got Ayton.

Why are people so high on Oubre? He isn't a difference maker and will probably want a huge deal like Porter got(yuck). Other than LaVine I want to save our money to go after some stars in the future.

Way I see it, that 2 way wing archetype is not an easy one to find. Oubre is 22, has improved every season, I think has a positive trajectory efficiency wise, athletic, etc.

I'm a bit concerned about what he might warrant with his 2nd contract, that is my reservation. You could probably the pick and sign Jabari for similar money to what Oubre would command, for instance. Or of course, just keep the money free completely.

I don't think is bad player by any stretch. Like you I'm just thinking about that next contract. Jabari Parker? We need to stay as far away from him as possible. The Bucks are dying for help around Giannis and they are probably going to let him walk....

[N.O.R.E.]

If we go for Boogie, I think all parties would be agreeable to a S&T - the Pelicans gain an opportunity to get players that fit rather than him walking for nothing, while for us sending out contracts frees up space for other moves.

I'd certainly prefer to S&T Lavine to them while perhaps adding Rolo (with them sending something back for salary purposes).

Another option would be to try and capitalize on the Wiz turmoil, with an eye to perhaps acquire Wall (and look to sign Paul George) and/or send them assets to get Otto Porter to the Pellies in the Boogie deal.

I'm more for developing our own stars, but a core of Boogie, Wall, PG and Lauri is pretty damn enticing.

I wouldn't do it, but I think Wall could easily be had for Dunn, #6 and all of our short junk contracts.
PG would pick Boogie and Wall over the Lakers IMO.

Boogie/Felicio/Vonleh/#22
Lauri/Bobby/Vonleh
P.George/Hezonja (MLE?)
Valentine/Nwaba
Wall/J.Grant and/or C.Payne

[mack2354]

Melo might accept a trade if OKC says he will come off the bench next year. He flirted with coming to CHI before so he might go for it. Send them bad contracts in Felicio/Asik plus a young prospect in B. Portis. We get an expering to go all in with the 2019 Free Agency

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Would you really want Melo tanking 15 shots away from Markkanen, Dunn and LaVine. He doesn't seem like the guy of that is ready to to step aside and mentor young players. I could be wrong though. I would not trade Portis for Melo so this is non-starter though. At least not right now. Maybe a mid-season move like the Lakers did to clear cap space.

Personally I wouldn't want Melo on this team but I didn't want to tank in the first place either. Bringing Melo on to start at SF ensures we suck again next year for another lottery pick and he will be an expiring which will free up a ton of cap space. If we aren't going to try to compete next year anyway then I don't see the harm. I also don't see many other options to get rid of our bad contracts. Most trades have us doing the opposite which involve us taking on more bad contracts to get young assets.

[xpmar9x]

If we go for Boogie, I think all parties would be agreeable to a S&T - the Pelicans gain an opportunity to get players that fit rather than him walking for nothing, while for us sending out contracts frees up space for other moves.

I'd certainly prefer to S&T Lavine to them while perhaps adding Rolo (with them sending something back for salary purposes).

Another option would be to try and capitalize on the Wiz turmoil, with an eye to perhaps acquire Wall (and look to sign Paul George) and/or send them assets to get Otto Porter to the Pellies in the Boogie deal.

I'm more for developing our own stars, but a core of Boogie, Wall, PG and Lauri is pretty damn enticing.

I wouldn't do it, but I think Wall could easily be had for Dunn, #6 and all of our short junk contracts.
PG would pick Boogie and Wall over the Lakers IMO.

Boogie/Felicio/Vonleh/#22
Lauri/Bobby/Vonleh
P.George/Hezonja (MLE?)
Valentine/Nwaba
Wall/J.Grant and/or C.Payne

S&T of Lavine 4 Boogie would be interesting. The rest of this is a stretch, but even if we only did that...

Dunn - Grant
Valentine - Nwaba
MPJ (6)
Lauri - BP
Cousins
+ 22.

I just dont think Dunn/Lavine will ever work (like most).

[xpmar9x]

Now's the prime time to scoop up Oubre or Otto Porter....

What does it cost if we take Mahinmi to get Oubre also??

Went straight to their board and the most recent post is someone wanting to trade Oubre for #23 (Indiana). I'd happily one up that and give them the Pels pick.

Will further shorten our cap space window once we have to extend him as well though.

Hmmm, so the question is "what does Oubre think he's worth?". Who knows... especially after a hypothetical year of starting in Chicago.

I'd still do it think I'd prefer a Portis for Oubre/Smith swap though. Keep 22, pay Oubre instead of Bobby. Can go Bamba or MPJ at 6 to fill in some PF mins.

[Kurt Heimlich]

Went straight to their board and the most recent post is someone wanting to trade Oubre for #23 (Indiana). I'd happily one up that and give them the Pels pick.

Will further shorten our cap space window once we have to extend him as well though.

Man, that'd be a hell of a draft day... We'd obviously have Ayton, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba, or Carter, with our own pick. One of them, plus Oubre, added to what we've got, would be extremely fun. Especially if we somehow got Ayton.

Why are people so high on Oubre? He isn't a difference maker and will probably want a huge deal like Porter got(yuck). Other than LaVine I want to save our money to go after some stars in the future.

Agreed. I like Oubre, but a lot of folks are way too eager to give up our cap assets and controllable draft pick assets for him. If it's Bobby and/or Denzel plus taking a little 2018 salary (no 2019 salary) for Oubre, sure. Otherwise there are better options.

[xpmar9x]

#1: Oubre/Smith for Portis/Zipser
#2: S&T Lavine for Boogie (Boogie follows the $, NO lowballs him, LA signs other stars, etc & Bulls offer 4 full max.. ik dream)

Dunn - #22 (Khyri Thomas)
Valentine - Nwaba
Porter (6) - Oubre
Lauri - Porter/Oubre - Vonleh?
Cousins - Lopez/Asik/Felicio


...still have max cap to make another move.. just spitballing

Sidenote: wonder if WAS would send 15 if we took Mahinmi?

[MrSparkle]

You gotta remember that when you trade for a guy like Oubre (or Lavine), you're not getting a $3m player. You're getting a guy who is a RFA next summer. Coming to our crappy young team, he's gonna inflate all his stats, and ask for a $15m-25m contract on the open market, assuming he makes any strides beyond being an 11.9 PER player.

My sentiment: pass. Bulls should be asset-building, not signing mid-tier fringe starters to big/long salaries like Miami (dunno why they locked up a 1st rd. exit). The time to trade-for-talent was when Chicago was competitive, the prior 5 years.

[Dan Z]

Would the Wizards trade Bradley Beal? Should we go after him? Do we even have the assets?

[WindyCityBorn]

Would the Wizards trade Bradley Beal? Should we go after him? Do we even have the assets?

I don't think so unless they are ready to rebuild.

[Kurt Heimlich]

Would the Wizards trade Bradley Beal? Should we go after him? Do we even have the assets?

I'd sign and trade Zach in addition to Bobby for Beal. But beyond that IDK how much more I'd give. Beal is at the fringe of being overpaid, but IMO still worth the money and still only 25 with some growth potential left. Our package would have to be built around Zach though, which I'm not sure would interest them.

[Dan Z]

Would the Wizards trade Bradley Beal? Should we go after him? Do we even have the assets?

I'd sign and trade Zach in addition to Bobby for Beal. But beyond that IDK how much more I'd give. Beal is at the fringe of being overpaid, but IMO still worth the money and still only 25 with some growth potential left. Our package would have to be built around Zach though, which I'm not sure would interest them.

I might add #22 or Valentine for him too. But at a certain point we can only offer so much. Beal is great, but we'd still have a big question mark at the SF spot.

I agree that the deal would have to be build around Zach. The Wizards would have to believe in him (ha!).

[sco]

Would the Wizards trade Bradley Beal? Should we go after him? Do we even have the assets?

I'd sign and trade Zach in addition to Bobby for Beal. But beyond that IDK how much more I'd give. Beal is at the fringe of being overpaid, but IMO still worth the money and still only 25 with some growth potential left. Our package would have to be built around Zach though, which I'm not sure would interest them.

I might add #22 or Valentine for him too. But at a certain point we can only offer so much. Beal is great, but we'd still have a big question mark at the SF spot.

I agree that the deal would have to be build around Zach. The Wizards would have to believe in him (ha!).

The big win, IMO would be:

S&T Zach, Bobby, Valentine, RoLo, #22 for Beal, Oubre, Gortat.

[scoobs07]

Trade offer:

#6 to Lakers for Ingram, Deng and #25. Deal agreed upon on draft night and completed on July 1st.

Why for Bulls?

Ingram is a 20 year old small forward who averaged 16ppg, 5rpg, 4apg and 39% threes. His measurements are 6-9 205 with a 7-3 wing span. In addition to his shooting, he has a knack for getting to the free throw line, with 4.8 attempts per game which was 27th in the league. The kid has a great attitude and is poised to be a future star. I feel he would be a great fit with the Bulls. He would fit the mold of some of the great wing players the Bulls had, like Scottie Pippen and Jimmy Butler. His attacking ability would be a great complement to Markenann's shooting ability to shoot. At 20 years old, Ingram is already proven himself and he is better than any wing player that will be available at #6. Bulls also get the 25th pick out of it.

Why for Lakers?

We need to dump Deng in order to afford James, George and Randle. Getting the 6th pick back helps balance out loosing Ingram.

[N.O.R.E.]

No way I'm giving up the #6 and taking back Deng. Makes no sense.

[N.O.R.E.]

Trade offer:

#6 to Lakers for Ingram, Deng and #25. Deal agreed upon on draft night and completed on July 1st.

Why for Bulls?

Ingram is a 20 year old small forward who averaged 16ppg, 5rpg, 4apg and 39% threes. His measurements are 6-9 205 with a 7-3 wing span. In addition to his shooting, he has a knack for getting to the free throw line, with 4.8 attempts per game which was 27th in the league. The kid has a great attitude and is poised to be a future star. I feel he would be a great fit with the Bulls. He would fit the mold of some of the great wing players the Bulls had, like Scottie Pippen and Jimmy Butler. His attacking ability would be a great complement to Markenann's shooting ability to shoot. At 20 years old, Ingram is already proven himself and he is better than any wing player that will be available at #6. Bulls also get the 25th pick out of it.

Why for Lakers?

We need to dump Deng in order to afford James, George and Randle. Getting the 6th pick back helps balance out loosing Ingram.

I'm unwilling to part with the #6 like that. If possible, I'd try and take on Bayless's $9 million off Philly's hands in exchange for swapping the #22 with the #10.

I'd then perhaps look to do your deal, switching the #6 with the Lakers #10 going full circle. I'd even look to include Bayless, as that is taking on a tonne of money with the Deng contract,

[Kurt Heimlich]

Trade offer:

#6 to Lakers for Ingram, Deng and #25. Deal agreed upon on draft night and completed on July 1st.

Why for Bulls?

Ingram is a 20 year old small forward who averaged 16ppg, 5rpg, 4apg and 39% threes. His measurements are 6-9 205 with a 7-3 wing span. In addition to his shooting, he has a knack for getting to the free throw line, with 4.8 attempts per game which was 27th in the league. The kid has a great attitude and is poised to be a future star. I feel he would be a great fit with the Bulls. He would fit the mold of some of the great wing players the Bulls had, like Scottie Pippen and Jimmy Butler. His attacking ability would be a great complement to Markenann's shooting ability to shoot. At 20 years old, Ingram is already proven himself and he is better than any wing player that will be available at #6. Bulls also get the 25th pick out of it.

Why for Lakers?

We need to dump Deng in order to afford James, George and Randle. Getting the 6th pick back helps balance out loosing Ingram.

I'm unwilling to part with the #6 like that. If possible, I'd try and take on Bayless's $9 million off Philly's hands in exchange for swapping the #22 with the #10.

I'd then perhaps look to do your deal, switching the #6 with the Lakers #10 going full circle. I'd even look to include Bayless, as that is taking on a tonne of money with the Deng contract,

Not that I'd necessarily do it but a deal of

Philly gets:
22nd pick
25th pick
9M cap relief

Bulls get:
Brandon Ingram
Lu Deng

Lakers get:
Bayless (or Omer Asik's stretch friendly contract)
10th pick
(Luol Deng's cap savings)

Makes some sense all around.

[N.O.R.E.]

^I thought about that, however, they're competing for Lebron, etc. Best to keep them separate IMHO.

[scoobs07]

Trade offer:

#6 to Lakers for Ingram, Deng and #25. Deal agreed upon on draft night and completed on July 1st.

Why for Bulls?

Ingram is a 20 year old small forward who averaged 16ppg, 5rpg, 4apg and 39% threes. His measurements are 6-9 205 with a 7-3 wing span. In addition to his shooting, he has a knack for getting to the free throw line, with 4.8 attempts per game which was 27th in the league. The kid has a great attitude and is poised to be a future star. I feel he would be a great fit with the Bulls. He would fit the mold of some of the great wing players the Bulls had, like Scottie Pippen and Jimmy Butler. His attacking ability would be a great complement to Markenann's shooting ability to shoot. At 20 years old, Ingram is already proven himself and he is better than any wing player that will be available at #6. Bulls also get the 25th pick out of it.

Why for Lakers?

We need to dump Deng in order to afford James, George and Randle. Getting the 6th pick back helps balance out loosing Ingram.

I'm unwilling to part with the #6 like that. If possible, I'd try and take on Bayless's $9 million off Philly's hands in exchange for swapping the #22 with the #10.

I'd then perhaps look to do your deal, switching the #6 with the Lakers #10 going full circle. I'd even look to include Bayless, as that is taking on a tonne of money with the Deng contract,

Not that I'd necessarily do it but a deal of

Philly gets:
22nd pick
25th pick
9M cap relief

Bulls get:
Brandon Ingram
Lu Deng

Lakers get:
Bayless (or Omer Asik's stretch friendly contract)
10th pick
(Luol Deng's cap savings)

Makes some sense all around.

Man, honestly if I were the Bulls, and offered Ingram, straight up for the 6th pick, I would do it. Ingram is going to be a 20+ ppg scorer starting next season. You cant get anybody like that with #6. I guess you could gamble on Porter, but you just dont know. Maybe im biased as a Lakers fan though, but I would do it if in your shoes.