2018 Offseason Thread

nedleeds · Post #81 » by **nedleeds** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:20 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:I like Salty Melo. Now let's work on a buy out please

He will gladly let you buy him out for $25.5M. That way he will get his full contract amount with a vet minimum contract.

Why would OKC even consider a buy out when he can just opt out if he's unhappy. If he opts in his salary is expiring and has some value in trades.

Pillendreher · Post #82 » by **Pillendreher** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:23 pm

He still has his NTC.

Balkman32 · Post #83 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:12 pm

Pillendreher wrote:He still has his NTC.

If the Thunder put him on the Bench I am sure he would ok his way out. Its just a matter of what we would have to take back.

Balkman32 · Post #84 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:14 pm

Any chance George returns to the Thunder?

Post #85 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:19 pm

Balkman32 wrote:Any chance George returns to the Thunder?

I think it's higher than most would have you believe, but that being said, I'm not optimistic.

It's there. But it's not high.

Post #86 » by **Dadouv47** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:39 pm

Balkman32 wrote:Any chance George returns to the Thunder?

Depends a lot on Lebron's decision IMO

PHANTOMPHOENIX · Post #87 » by **PHANTOMPHOENIX** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:12 pm

Balkman32 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:He still has his NTC.

If the Thunder put him on the Bench I am sure he would ok his way out. Its just a matter of what we would have to take back.

OKC should basically take anything back for Melo, it has to be better. 28 million in salaries spread out across 2 players could give you two overpaid players, but each one of them would be better than Melo.

Balkman32 · Post #88 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:23 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:
Balkman32 wrote:Any chance George returns to the Thunder?

I think it's higher than most would have you believe, but that being said, I'm not optimistic.

It's there. But it's not high.

I guess the only thing we can hang out hat on is that we can give him the most money and years.

Balkman32 · Post #89 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:24 pm

PHANTOMPHOENIX wrote:
Balkman32 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:He still has his NTC.

If the Thunder put him on the Bench I am sure he would ok his way out. Its just a matter of what we would have to take back.

OKC should basically take anything back for Melo, it has to be better. 28 million in salaries spread out across 2 players could give you two overpaid players, but each one of them would be better than Melo.

I rather have Melo on my bench then take Ryan Anderson's 2 year 40 million deal.

It has to be a team that wants Melo. I dont think he makes any snese after this season.

PHANTOMPHOENIX · Post #90 » by **PHANTOMPHOENIX** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:27 pm

Balkman32 wrote:
PHANTOMPHOENIX wrote:
Balkman32 wrote:
If the Thunder put him on the Bench I am sure he would ok his way out. Its just a matter of what we would have to take back.

OKC should basically take anything back for Melo, it has to be better. 28 million in salaries spread out across 2 players could give you two overpaid players, but each one of them would be better than Melo.

I rather have Melo on my bench then take Ryan Anderson's 2 year 40 million deal.

It has to be a team that wants Melo. I dont think he makes any snese after this season.

Well I think you have to look at the bottom of the league teams who want to tank and give up any talent that will prevent them from tanking. You can absorb quite a lot with a 28 million expiring.

And no one wants Melo.

Post #91 » by **slick_watts** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:31 pm

imo the only way melo is traded is if we take on long(er) term salary and that would be stupid.

Pillendreher · Post #92 » by **Pillendreher** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:50 pm

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Colonia · Post #93 » by **Colonia** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:58 pm

Therefore we desperately need a good coach with a system and philosophy. We have to increase the productivity of guys like Adams, Tpat and even Abrines. We need to create more and new plays for those guys.
Moreover, I really look forward to see the improvments of Ferguson over the offseason.

Post #94 » by **ThunderBolt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:34 pm

Anyone else think it odd Sam didn’t speak at exit interviews?

Post #95 » by **slick_watts** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:41 pm

Knrstz wrote:Anyone else think it odd Sam didn’t speak at exit interviews?

he usually has his separately at a later date.

Thundershock88 · Post #96 » by **Thundershock88** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:46 pm

Balkman32 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:He still has his NTC.

If the Thunder put him on the Bench I am sure he would ok his way out. Its just a matter of what we would have to take back.

Are we sure? I could see him taking the 28 mil to sit on the bench for a year.

Post #97 » by **ThunderBolt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:57 pm

Reggie Jackson made it clear in his exit interview in 2014 that he wanted to start. Either Presti ignored all the signals or didn’t address them adequately during the off-season and the result was a very disgruntled Reggie Jackson and a locker room that fell apart. Eventually, that became an eleventh-hour trade demand from Jackson that turned into Enes Kanter and the Thunder’s $5M Armani model, Kyle Singler, coming to OKC. Singler never fit, Kanter was traded for Melo and Melo just dropped another exit interview gauntlets

https://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2018/4/29/17299424/sounds-of-thunder-oklahoma-city-thunder-has-a-melo-problem-2018-nba-off-season

getrichordie · Post #98 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:58 pm

[Lowe] Russell Westbrook can't be OKC's entire system anymore

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23364202/zach-lowe-russell-westbrook-oklahoma-city-thunder-nba

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Old Man Game · Post #99 » by **Old Man Game** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:28 pm

getrichordie wrote:[Lowe] Russell Westbrook can't be OKC's entire system anymore

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23364202/zach-lowe-russell-westbrook-oklahoma-city-thunder-nba

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Great article. Zach fails to go to the next logical step and point out how unlikely it is at this stage in his career that Westbrook ever learns to play any other way though. Seems like he hints at that strongly and just doesn't quite want to flat out say it.

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Post #100 » by **slick_watts** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:44 pm

it's a great article. this is what i would add.

first is that, while the idea of westbrook + adams + three shooters and an all out spread pnr attack is appealing, it is still inherently limited by westbrook's poor pull-up shooting ability. lowe compared westbrook to harden in this vein and sort of skirts over that difference. i don't see it as such a minor thing. westbrook also runs into a similar problem harden has when building such a team, in that you need one or more of those shooters to be quality defensive wings as well because westbrook isn't going to defend. morey has chris paul now, and a stable of '3&D' wings to flank harden. that's not an easy thing to do.

second, i believe westbrook's influence on the offense is overstated. he's a great offensive player but his flaws relative to harden and the others lowe mentions will always hold him back. i've noted this before, but the thunder offense with westbrook in the game this season being even above league average is entirely predicated on the offensive rebounding of steven adams (and to a lessor extent, others). the thunder are league average or worse at a factor level at eFG, TOV%, and FT/FGA with westbrook in the game this year, but blow the league away on ORB% because adams has turned into moses malone. some will quibble about how much influence westbrook has on ORB% but it's definitely the factor of the four he's least responsible for. by contrast, kemba walker's hornets have a better eFG, FT/FGA and TOV% when he is on the court. i don't think this should be the case if westbrook is as influential as lowe is implying.