Denver's weaknesses and how to address them in the off-season

[NuggetsWY]

1 guy I would love to get is Gordon Hayward, now there is some questions about his injury issues and I don't know that the Celtics would trade him due to his connections to Stevens, but they have the 2 young SFs that have been great this year. They also need bigs. I wonder what it would take to swap Millsap for Hayward?

If I understand correctly, Boston has 11 players still under contract. They include:

Horford-Theis
Morris-Yabusele
Hayward-Tatum-Brown-Ojeleye
Smart (if he opts in)-Nader
Irving-Rozier

This year they seemed content with Tatum & Brown playing SF & SG together. Not sure they'd be interested in Millsap, but he'd be a good player for them IMO.

Who knows? They might be interested in Plumlee - but they truly need young players. We could add Faried to Plumlee and match salary's just fine. They can certainly afford to trade a SF. They just might be interested in Beasley, I'm not sure. They have several questions/options - so it's hard to predict which way they'll go.

[skywalker33]

With Wall calling for changes (specifically seems like Gortat), could we offer Plumlee for Gortat and a future pick, perhaps even expand it somehow to add Porter (little help here Rebel ??)

This doesn't explain how but does address the why of my supposition

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/4/30/17299068/trade-rumors-john-wall-athletic-bigs-bradley-beal-marcin-gortat-washington-wizards-nba-trades

[the_process]

I didn’t know where else to post this since I didn’t see a trade thread. If it’s in the wrong place please move it and accept my apologies.

What would you guys want from Philly for Trey Lyles?

[NuggetsWY]

I didn’t know where else to post this since I didn’t see a trade thread. If it’s in the wrong place please move it and accept my apologies.

What would you guys want from Philly for Trey Lyles?

Nice spot to put this post - we've had a "Trade Thread" but this one does seem to have taken it's place. Perhaps I should create one. Thanks for the reminder.

Where does Lyles rank? That's a good question. I'd love a future 1st. Of course Sacramento's would be great but he's probably not worth that. Perhaps the Philly 2019 1st? Clearly it's probably not going to be in the top20. Perhaps one of those really nice 2019 2nds (and a lesser 2nd).

If we are talking a player exchange, I like the looks of McConnell as a Nuggets backup PG.

If we are talking about a real trade, I'd love a sign-and-trade for Covington. Perhaps Plumlee or Faried or Chandler + Lyles for Covington.

[The Rebel]

I didn’t know where else to post this since I didn’t see a trade thread. If it’s in the wrong place please move it and accept my apologies.

What would you guys want from Philly for Trey Lyles?

Nice spot to put this post - we've had a "Trade Thread" but this one does seem to have taken it's place. Perhaps I should create one. Thanks for the reminder.

Where does Lyles rank? That's a good question. I'd love a future 1st. Of course Sacramento's would be great but he's probably not worth that. Perhaps the Philly 2019 1st? Clearly it's probably not going to be in the top20. Perhaps one of those really nice 2019 2nds (and a lesser 2nd).

If we are talking a player exchange, I like the looks of McConnell as a Nuggets backup PG.

If we are talking about a real trade, I'd love a sign-and-trade for Covington. Perhaps Plumlee or Faried or Chandler + Lyles for Covington.

I don't see anyway that the Nuggets trade Lyles for anything but in a package for the perfect fit or all star type player. Another draft pick is not likely to get minutes and they know it. Using him in a salary dump a year after trading a really good pick for him would be too much egg on Connelly and Josh's face with the stockholders who are sitting after watching them get to the edge of the tax for a team that did not make the playoffs for 5 years.

[skywalker33]

I didn’t know where else to post this since I didn’t see a trade thread. If it’s in the wrong place please move it and accept my apologies.

What would you guys want from Philly for Trey Lyles?

Nice spot to put this post - we've had a "Trade Thread" but this one does seem to have taken it's place. Perhaps I should create one. Thanks for the reminder.

Where does Lyles rank? That's a good question. I'd love a future 1st. Of course Sacramento's would be great but he's probably not worth that. Perhaps the Philly 2019 1st? Clearly it's probably not going to be in the top20. Perhaps one of those really nice 2019 2nds (and a lesser 2nd).

If we are talking a player exchange, I like the looks of McConnell as a Nuggets backup PG.

If we are talking about a real trade, I'd love a sign-and-trade for Covington. Perhaps Plumlee or Faried or Chandler + Lyles for Covington.

While Covington would be a nice acquisition, I'd trade Chandler for him but Lyles is a better player with a higher ceiling, he's a lot younger too. Covington is a good defender, but a career 12ppg scorer. Lyle, when given mins was putting up an 17-20ppg click. I'd trade for your 10th pick, nothing short of that. Sorry, I won't give him away !!

[NuggetsWY]

I didn’t know where else to post this since I didn’t see a trade thread. If it’s in the wrong place please move it and accept my apologies.

What would you guys want from Philly for Trey Lyles?

Nice spot to put this post - we've had a "Trade Thread" but this one does seem to have taken it's place. Perhaps I should create one. Thanks for the reminder.

Where does Lyles rank? That's a good question. I'd love a future 1st. Of course Sacramento's would be great but he's probably not worth that. Perhaps the Philly 2019 1st? Clearly it's probably not going to be in the top20. Perhaps one of those really nice 2019 2nds (and a lesser 2nd).

If we are talking a player exchange, I like the looks of McConnell as a Nuggets backup PG.

If we are talking about a real trade, I'd love a sign-and-trade for Covington. Perhaps Plumlee or Faried or Chandler + Lyles for Covington.

While Covington would be a nice acquisition, I'd trade Chandler for him but Lyles is a better player with a higher ceiling, he's a lot younger too. Covington is a good defender, but a career 12ppg scorer. Lyle, when given mins was putting up an 17-20ppg click. I'd trade for your 10th pick, nothing short of that. Sorry, I won't give him away !!

I hear ya. The only reason I'd trade Lyles is for a good SF and while Covington isn't great, he just might make a nice 4th or 5th starter for the Nuggets. He doesn't need the ball a lot and he can hit some outside shots. He's not afraid of working on defense although I wouldn't call him great. If we didn't have Hernangomez on the bench, I probably wouldn't trade Lyles at all.

Think about it this way, if we were to sign/trade a good SF, maybe it would push Chandler out the door faster. I just can't wait to get rid of his attitude and I'm still afraid he'll opt in and Malone will play him 30+ mpg.

[skywalker33]

Nice spot to put this post - we've had a "Trade Thread" but this one does seem to have taken it's place. Perhaps I should create one. Thanks for the reminder.

Where does Lyles rank? That's a good question. I'd love a future 1st. Of course Sacramento's would be great but he's probably not worth that. Perhaps the Philly 2019 1st? Clearly it's probably not going to be in the top20. Perhaps one of those really nice 2019 2nds (and a lesser 2nd).

If we are talking a player exchange, I like the looks of McConnell as a Nuggets backup PG.

If we are talking about a real trade, I'd love a sign-and-trade for Covington. Perhaps Plumlee or Faried or Chandler + Lyles for Covington.

While Covington would be a nice acquisition, I'd trade Chandler for him but Lyles is a better player with a higher ceiling, he's a lot younger too. Covington is a good defender, but a career 12ppg scorer. Lyle, when given mins was putting up an 17-20ppg click. I'd trade for your 10th pick, nothing short of that. Sorry, I won't give him away !!

I hear ya. The only reason I'd trade Lyles is for a good SF and while Covington isn't great, he just might make a nice 4th or 5th starter for the Nuggets. He doesn't need the ball a lot and he can hit some outside shots. He's not afraid of working on defense although I wouldn't call him great. If we didn't have Hernangomez on the bench, I probably wouldn't trade Lyles at all.

Think about it this way, if we were to sign/trade a good SF, maybe it would push Chandler out the door faster. I just can't wait to get rid of his attitude and I'm still afraid he'll opt in and Malone will play him 30+ mpg.

I have come to the realization that we're going to have to make a decision between Trey and Juancho, maybe not this season but soon. I really like both, leaning towards Lyles because I have seen more offensive production out of him when he's been given mins. I do think Juanch has (will have) a more rounded game but his ill-timed case of Mono set the Nuggets back, I'd bet we would've made the playoffs. Not blaming Juancho, but I'm sure he would've helped had he been healthy.

Drafting Lydon, who is still a total unknown for most of us, didn't help either. I am really perplexed why the FO wasn't pro-active to get jump up and get OG Anunoby if he were their target as I suspect, wouldn't of cost more than a couple of 2nds IMO

[NuggetsWY]

Drafting Lydon, who is still a total unknown for most of us, didn't help either. I am really perplexed why the FO wasn't pro-active to get jump up and get OG Anunoby if he were their target as I suspect, wouldn't of cost more than a couple of 2nds IMO

Clearly the Nuggets' plan was to acquire as many PFs as possible so nobody else would have any.

They said, "We need length and defense". Lydon has neither.
OK, I get it, they wanted Lyles. It still might prove to be a good trade. But picking Lydon to sit behind Lyles and Hernangomez plus Faried and Arthur, not to mention the soon-to-be-acquired Millsap absolutely made no sense whatsoever.

[skywalker33]

Drafting Lydon, who is still a total unknown for most of us, didn't help either. I am really perplexed why the FO wasn't pro-active to get jump up and get OG Anunoby if he were their target as I suspect, wouldn't of cost more than a couple of 2nds IMO

Clearly the Nuggets' plan was to acquire as many PFs as possible so nobody else would have any.

They said, "We need length and defense". Lydon has neither.
OK, I get it, they wanted Lyles. It still might prove to be a good trade. But picking Lydon to sit behind Lyles and Hernangomez plus Faried and Arthur, not to mention the soon-to-be-acquired Millsap absolutely made no sense whatsoever.

Well, how many teams have perfectly balanced rosters ???

As for Lydon's defense, in college he was a good weak side shot blocker, there are all kinds of defense. I was a bit mortified by his selection but saw what they were trying to do, just a lack of execution. If we got to draft OG, this trade would have been looked at a lot differently.

[THE J0KER]

Kokoskov - out.
Fizdale - out.
Budenholzer - best option right now.

That would be the best improvement this offseason... All-Star FA will not join Denver "small market" Nuggets this summer, nor we will be in a position once again to make a draft steal like we have a chance last draft with #13 Donovan "generational talent" Mitchell.

So let's hope our FO will cancel self-destructive decision to not replace Malone. After all, Budenholzer was not available when they announce that, and Budenholzer>>>>Malone is so obvious case.

[skywalker33]

Kokoskov - out.
Fizdale - out.
Budenholzer - best option right now.

That would be the best improvement this offseason... All-Star FA will not join Denver "small market" Nuggets this summer, nor we will be in a position once again to make a draft steal like we have a chance last draft with #13 Donovan "generational talent" Mitchell.

So let's hope our FO will cancel self-destructive decision to not replace Malone. After all, Budenholzer was not available when they announce that, and Budenholzer>>>>Malone is so obvious case.

Negative Nancy hold your horses. First, why bitch about a coach we're not going to get because we're already stuck with Malone. Second, we have already attracted an All-Star FA, remember Paul Millsap ??? Besides we don't have any money to get a FA, we will sign our own superstar in Jokic. And we're probably drafting #14, Donovan was selected at #`13 so is it possible...perhaps, last year proves it's possible. 20/20 hisdsight is easy to bitch about, let's hear reasonable suggestion, not revisionist history. Can't say I remember YOU clamoring for Mitchell until AFTER he showed what he is turning into.

If you just wanna bitch about the FO, make a thread about that, this one is about what we can do to improve our team not for you to vent about our FO mistakes you dislike or what isn't changable .

[THE J0KER]

...this one is about what we can do to improve our team...

Just like already say - our best possible improvement right now is to hire Budenholzer.

Previous summer we almost traded Gary Harris (last minute canceled Kevin Love / Paul George DEN-IND-CLE deal) despite all public statements about him, so why we not doing same with Malone now when Budenholzer is available (which is not the case when Connoly gives that deeply wrong statement about Malone).

So I will repeat it once again, right now the best thing which Denver can do is to hire Budenholzer. Of course that it would be a perfect scenario for Nuggets if we sign some elite SF like Paul George... but that is extremely unrealistic.

[skywalker33]

Love Adam Mares' perspective, here's his take on Lyles and what could be, both good and bad. Does Malone want him, or another of his player mismanagement ??

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/5/3/17315888/is-trey-lyles-part-of-the-denver-nuggets-future

[NuggetsWY]

Same head coach? Wouldn't be as bad if we could hire a defensive coach too.

[skywalker33]

Same head coach? Wouldn't be as bad if we could hire a defensive coach too.

I kinda thought that was part of the current sales pitch ??!?!

[NuggetsWY]

Same head coach? Wouldn't be as bad if we could hire a defensive coach too.

I kinda thought that was part of the current sales pitch ??!?!

Here's what I know - I have no idea what the Nuggets will do when it comes to coaches or players or trades or draft picks or free agents. What I know for certain is they will complain about not enough fans in the seats.

[youngthegiant]

Love Adam Mares' perspective, here's his take on Lyles and what could be, both good and bad. Does Malone want him, or another of his player mismanagement ??

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/5/3/17315888/is-trey-lyles-part-of-the-denver-nuggets-future

Shame that our front office spent so much money on Plumlee. Would like to see Millsap get more minutes at center next season and have him be the focal point on offense while Jokic is getting rest. This allows Jokic to get more minutes with wings and take advantage of his offensive strengths. Millsap gets more offensive responsibility while Jokic is out.

[youngthegiant]

Adam also discusses my take on Craig. Craig is overrated as a defender is only playing because he is a "Malone" guy. I'm extremely worried that Denver/Malone will play Craig over guys like Lyles and Juancho next season(which happened at the end of the season). Craig is a borderline NBA player and should not be in any 50 win teams rotation.

[skywalker33]

Adam also discusses my take on Craig. Craig is overrated as a defender is only playing because he is a "Malone" guy. I'm extremely worried that Denver/Malone will play Craig over guys like Lyles and Juancho next season(which happened at the end of the season). Craig is a borderline NBA player and should not be in any 50 win teams rotation.

I'm not so sure he shouldn't be in the rotation but I do see him as more of a bench guy