Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[aramada]

Would the Wizards trade Bradley Beal? Should we go after him? Do we even have the assets?

To WAS: Portis, Valentine, #6, #12
To CHI: Beal, Mahinmi
To LAC: #15, #22

Deal would be made on draft night with execution on 07/01. Bulls would have to waive LaVine and Vonleh (and their large cap holds) for the league to approve the trade.

(it's virtually impossible to S&T LaVine and package him with our pick, unless the trade is done in late July and Washington loves our pick)

[Kurt Heimlich]

I'm unwilling to part with the #6 like that. If possible, I'd try and take on Bayless's $9 million off Philly's hands in exchange for swapping the #22 with the #10.

I'd then perhaps look to do your deal, switching the #6 with the Lakers #10 going full circle. I'd even look to include Bayless, as that is taking on a tonne of money with the Deng contract,

Not that I'd necessarily do it but a deal of

Philly gets:
22nd pick
25th pick
9M cap relief

Bulls get:
Brandon Ingram
Lu Deng

Lakers get:
Bayless (or Omer Asik's stretch friendly contract)
10th pick
(Luol Deng's cap savings)

Makes some sense all around.

Man, honestly if I were the Bulls, and offered Ingram, straight up for the 6th pick, I would do it. Ingram is going to be a 20+ ppg scorer starting next season. You cant get anybody like that with #6. I guess you could gamble on Porter, but you just dont know. Maybe im biased as a Lakers fan though, but I would do it if in your shoes.

Sure, Ingram for the 6th pick is certainly a fair, reasonable offer. Pro's and con's to be argued.

But taking Deng's albatross of a $36M 2 year remaining deal for just the 25th pick is a big fat no. You need a real asset to move that deal.

[Kurt Heimlich]

Would the Wizards trade Bradley Beal? Should we go after him? Do we even have the assets?

To WAS: Portis, Valentine, #6, #12
To CHI: Beal, Mahinmi
To LAC: #15, #22

Deal would be made on draft night with execution on 07/01. Bulls would have to waive LaVine and Vonleh (and their large cap holds) for the league to approve the trade.

Surely you can't want the Bulls to do this. Give up Zach, Portis, Denzel, 6th and 22nd picks for Brad Beal and a $30M bad contract?

[waffle]

that is, let me state this firmly, an awful trade.

[sco]

Would the Wizards trade Bradley Beal? Should we go after him? Do we even have the assets?

To WAS: Portis, Valentine, #6, #12
To CHI: Beal, Mahinmi
To LAC: #15, #22

Deal would be made on draft night with execution on 07/01. Bulls would have to waive LaVine and Vonleh (and their large cap holds) for the league to approve the trade.

Surely you can't want the Bulls to do this. Give up Zach, Portis, Denzel, 6th and 22nd picks for Brad Beal and a $30M bad contract?

Yeah...only trade that makes sense on Beal is essentially a s&t for Zach plus a minor sweetener, like Valentine.

[aramada]

Would the Wizards trade Bradley Beal? Should we go after him? Do we even have the assets?

To WAS: Portis, Valentine, #6, #12
To CHI: Beal, Mahinmi
To LAC: #15, #22

Deal would be made on draft night with execution on 07/01. Bulls would have to waive LaVine and Vonleh (and their large cap holds) for the league to approve the trade.

Surely you can't want the Bulls to do this. Give up Zach, Portis, Denzel, 6th and 22nd picks for Brad Beal and a $30M bad contract?

Beal is a 24 year old all star who has had to be in the shadow of Wall. He's good enough to be a number one option. Those are not cheap.
With a little bit of polishing, he can become a superstar and be a 1-2 punch with Lauri. Adding Dunn, you have a nice core for the next few years.
That option would prevent us from overpaying LaVine, who I doubt will ever be as good as Beal and will have to be hidden defensively for the rest of his career. Mahinmi is a bad contract but a clear upgrade at back up Center.
By my calculations, Bulls would also keep enough cap room for a max contract (and more) in the summer of 2019 with Lopez, Grant, Asik (-3MM), and Holiday coming off the books.

[GimmeDat]

I like Washington's pieces like Beal and Porter in particular a lot, but those salaries are pretty massive as well. Scares me off them. Maybe the sort of moves we should be looking at in a year or two once we have the young core more established.

Porter in particular I think has been misused. He's a stud.

[xpmar9x]

I like Washington's pieces like Beal and Porter in particular a lot, but those salaries are pretty massive as well. Scares me off them. Maybe the sort of moves we should be looking at in a year or two once we have the young core more established.

Porter in particular I think has been misused. He's a stud.

Getting Otto Porter, while keeping #6 would be clutch. Dunn-Lavine-Porter-Lauri-1st.

Would they entertain Otto for Val and/or Portis, 22, and us taking salary back? Who knows. Does us trading all our assets + adding Otto/1st push us anywhere?

[GimmeDat]

I like Washington's pieces like Beal and Porter in particular a lot, but those salaries are pretty massive as well. Scares me off them. Maybe the sort of moves we should be looking at in a year or two once we have the young core more established.

Porter in particular I think has been misused. He's a stud.

Getting Otto Porter, while keeping #6 would be clutch. Dunn-Lavine-Porter-Lauri-1st.

Would they entertain Otto for Val and/or Portis, 22, and us taking salary back? Who knows. Does us trading all our assets + adding Otto/1st push us anywhere?

We'd basically have to include RoLo and Asik to match salary, because Otto is on roughly 26m.... I feel like Portis would on the outs considering Porter can play 4 part time.

How many assets we'd have to cough up depends on how much the salary relief helps them, imo, but on our end, I'd be wary of giving up too much value given how much cap flexibility we'd be foregoing.

My head's saying leave that alone, but Otto is a great piece. Dunn/Lavine/Porter/Lauri/Bamba, for instance, has a lot of potential. We would have a poor bench and little assets, though.

[xpmar9x]

I like Washington's pieces like Beal and Porter in particular a lot, but those salaries are pretty massive as well. Scares me off them. Maybe the sort of moves we should be looking at in a year or two once we have the young core more established.

Porter in particular I think has been misused. He's a stud.

Getting Otto Porter, while keeping #6 would be clutch. Dunn-Lavine-Porter-Lauri-1st.

Would they entertain Otto for Val and/or Portis, 22, and us taking salary back? Who knows. Does us trading all our assets + adding Otto/1st push us anywhere?

We'd basically have to include RoLo and Asik to match salary, because Otto is on roughly 26m.... I feel like Portis would on the outs considering Porter can play 4 part time.

How many assets we'd have to cough up depends on how much the salary relief helps them, imo, but on our end, I'd be wary of giving up too much value given how much cap flexibility we'd be foregoing.

My head's saying leave that alone, but Otto is a great piece. Dunn/Lavine/Porter/Lauri/Bamba, for instance, has a lot of potential. We would have a poor bench and little assets, though.

Dunn/Lavine/Porter/Lauri/Bamba really intrigues me (or Ayton, Bagley, JJJ )

Taking Porter and Mahinmi back possible if we sent Rolo, Asik, Portis, and Felicio? They could then flip Gortat/Morris in another trade, if wanted. Taking those future contracts of Otto/Ian will hurt, but I love that above core. Likely include 22.

Sign Hezonja for cheap. Resign Nwaba/Vonleh for cheap.

Dunn - Grant - Payne
Lavine - Valentine - Nwaba - Kilpatrick
Porter - Hezonja
Lauri - Vonleh
1st - Mahinmi

...hmmm, maybe not worth the cap flexibility.

[sco]

Getting Otto Porter, while keeping #6 would be clutch. Dunn-Lavine-Porter-Lauri-1st.

Would they entertain Otto for Val and/or Portis, 22, and us taking salary back? Who knows. Does us trading all our assets + adding Otto/1st push us anywhere?

We'd basically have to include RoLo and Asik to match salary, because Otto is on roughly 26m.... I feel like Portis would on the outs considering Porter can play 4 part time.

How many assets we'd have to cough up depends on how much the salary relief helps them, imo, but on our end, I'd be wary of giving up too much value given how much cap flexibility we'd be foregoing.

My head's saying leave that alone, but Otto is a great piece. Dunn/Lavine/Porter/Lauri/Bamba, for instance, has a lot of potential. We would have a poor bench and little assets, though.

Dunn/Lavine/Porter/Lauri/Bamba really intrigues me (or Ayton, Bagley, JJJ )

Taking Porter and Mahinmi back possible if we sent Rolo, Asik, Portis, and Felicio? They could then flip Gortat/Morris in another trade, if wanted. Taking those future contracts of Otto/Ian will hurt, but I love that above core. Likely include 22.

Sign Hezonja for cheap. Resign Nwaba/Vonleh for cheap.

Dunn - Grant - Payne
Lavine - Valentine - Nwaba - Kilpatrick
Porter - Hezonja
Lauri - Vonleh
1st - Mahinmi

...hmmm, maybe not worth the cap flexibility.

The wiz would need to have made a decision that they want Oubre over Porter and that Portis is better than Morris. I don't think either is really true.

[thxfrthmmrs]

To WAS: Portis, Valentine, #6, #12
To CHI: Beal, Mahinmi
To LAC: #15, #22

Deal would be made on draft night with execution on 07/01. Bulls would have to waive LaVine and Vonleh (and their large cap holds) for the league to approve the trade.

Surely you can't want the Bulls to do this. Give up Zach, Portis, Denzel, 6th and 22nd picks for Brad Beal and a $30M bad contract?

Beal is a 24 year old all star who has had to be in the shadow of Wall. He's good enough to be a number one option. Those are not cheap.
With a little bit of polishing, he can become a superstar and be a 1-2 punch with Lauri. Adding Dunn, you have a nice core for the next few years.
That option would prevent us from overpaying LaVine, who I doubt will ever be as good as Beal and will have to be hidden defensively for the rest of his career. Mahinmi is a bad contract but a clear upgrade at back up Center.
By my calculations, Bulls would also keep enough cap room for a max contract (and more) in the summer of 2019 with Lopez, Grant, Asik (-3MM), and Holiday coming off the books.

Are you related to Brad Beal? I am sure not even his mother thinks that highly of him. He averaged something like 22-4-5 in significant amount of games with Wall out this year, while the team had a so-so record. He's a nice 2nd or 3rd option, not someone worth both 6th, 12th pick along with Portis, Valentine.

[dumbell78]

Wizards will try and make moves, if they are to move anyone I think Wall will be dealt. I'm not sure they are 100% committed to anyone right now. I would love to have Beal or Porter in our line-up, I just don't know how you make it work. I dont see us as great trade partners and I'm not trading #6.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Otto Porter and Mahinmi for Lopez,Valentine and #22

[N.O.R.E.]

What do you guys think of Myles Turner as a target to pair with Lauri going forward?

He didn't have the best season, was injured IIRC, and plays the same position as Sabonis.

What do you guys think about the following:

Indiana give: Turner, Al Jefferson/expiring junk as required
Receive: #10, Portis, Robin Lopez, J. Grant

Potential 2018/19 line up:

Sabonis/R.Lopez
Thad Young??/Portis/TJ Leaf
Bogdanovic/#10 - Mikal Bridges (if available of course)
Oladipo/Lance
Collison?/C.Joseph/J.Grant

The Pacers get a great win-now-with-upside return for an expiring Turner, if they're not convinced on locking him up long-term.

Sixers send out the #10 to dump Bayless, and we give them the #22 in return. This kind of idea has been beaten to death, however gets us a required valuable asset to flip for Turner.


Bulls give: Portis, Lopez, Jerian Grant, #22
Receive: M. Turner, Al Jefferson's unguaranteed contract, Bayless (EC)

M.Turner/Felicio
Lauri/Vonleh
#6 - Porter or Bridges/Hezonja??
Val/Nwaba
Dunn/Payne

The above is only a tentative lineup. Unless he is willing to come back on a "prove it" type contract, I'd look for S&T packages for Lavine.

Do you think the Pacers would do it?

Who are some other players we could target using the Sixer's #10 along with our assets that are young and could fit long-term?

EDIT: Another benefit of the deal, is being able to offer the Spurs Lauri + Zach in a S&T for Kawhi, while keeping the #6 (or to be used in another deal for another star) and our cap flexibility intact going forward.

[Davell]

Bayless only has 1/8.5 left on his deal. The Sixers have over 30 mill of cap space already. IF they need to move him, they've got plenty of ways to do it, without taking a humongous drop off in talent, going from 10 to 22.

It's only 8.5 mill total, IF they need to move him, an early 2nd rounder(they've got 2), would do the trick probably. Both, certainly would.

And THIS is something I can see the Bulls using cap space for this offseason. No long term money, that still lends us a decent prospect

[aramada]

Bayless only has 1/8.5 left on his deal. The Sixers have over 30 mill of cap space already. IF they need to move him, they've got plenty of ways to do it, without taking a humongous drop off in talent, going from 10 to 22.

It's only 8.5 mill total, IF they need to move him, an early 2nd rounder(they've got 2), would do the trick probably. Both, certainly would.

And THIS is something I can see the Bulls using cap space for this offseason. No long term money, that still lends us a decent prospect

That's the key. All those 1 year contracts at below $10MM can be stretched over 3 years. No way those teams use significant assets to create room.

[xpmar9x]

Mia gets: #22, Gortat
Chi gets: Whiteside, Oubre, Jason Smith
Was gets: Portis


...fillers needed, but a solid trade base?

[sco]

Mia gets: #22, Gortat
Chi gets: Whiteside, Oubre, Jason Smith
Was gets: Portis


...fillers needed, but a solid trade base?

Not sure Was or Mia get enuf.

I'd do that all day.

[aramada]

Surely you can't want the Bulls to do this. Give up Zach, Portis, Denzel, 6th and 22nd picks for Brad Beal and a $30M bad contract?

Beal is a 24 year old all star who has had to be in the shadow of Wall. He's good enough to be a number one option. Those are not cheap.
With a little bit of polishing, he can become a superstar and be a 1-2 punch with Lauri. Adding Dunn, you have a nice core for the next few years.
That option would prevent us from overpaying LaVine, who I doubt will ever be as good as Beal and will have to be hidden defensively for the rest of his career. Mahinmi is a bad contract but a clear upgrade at back up Center.
By my calculations, Bulls would also keep enough cap room for a max contract (and more) in the summer of 2019 with Lopez, Grant, Asik (-3MM), and Holiday coming off the books.

Are you related to Brad Beal? I am sure not even his mother thinks that highly of him. He averaged something like 22-4-5 in significant amount of games with Wall out this year, while the team had a so-so record. He's a nice 2nd or 3rd option, not someone worth both 6th, 12th pick along with Portis, Valentine.

I don't know Beal - met his brother who went to Loyola once, total dbag, but that's it - but it's fair to say that I value him more as an NBA player than you do.

It's kind of interesting that your first argument against him is his stats line, which not only got him an all-star selection, but also top 15 on the scoring list despite sharing the ball with Wall. He also improved on all aspects of his game since the previous year (TRB%, AST%, STL%, BLK% all went up) outside of a slight slump in shooting. That his team had a "so-so" (i.e. enough for playoffs) record can only partially be blamed on him - this is clearly Wall's team, even when he's injured.
You are right in saying that he is not a first option because it's not his role. But I guarantee you that his value is really high because if you put him in a situation to be a primary option, his production will go even higher (into top 10 in scoring) and even if he doesn't become a superstar, he will still be a multiple all-star guy. Just check out where SGs who grew into leaders, like Butler, Oladipo, or DeRozan, were when they were 24. Besides DeMar who had scarily similar stats, he's way ahead of these guys.

In this context, he is head and shoulder above any other piece involved in this deal. Val and Portis haven't proved they can be starters in this league + Portis is expiring. If you want to get a sense of the value of #6, just check out players that have been selected at that spot. In the past 40 years (starting on a good note with Bird in 1978), 8 players (20%) became all-stars, but only 3 of them (Bird, Antoine Walker, and B Roy) had more than one selection. Only Bird made it to HOF. Years of great historical drafts produced Melvin Turpin (1984), Chris Kaman (2003), and Danilo Gallinari (2008). Lastly, Washington is only getting #12 by combining our #22 with their #15, just to get another chance at talent. #22 could potentially be removed from the deal. The real controversial piece is how LaVine would need to be released as a result, which I can understand.