Travis Schlenk trying to build Hawks in Warrior’s image (aka 2018 offseason thread)

[tbhawksfan1]

TS will also have his co-tank conspiritor (new coach) firmly in place to get another top pick

[Jamaaliver]

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Right now, there are just seven teams expected to have significant cap space next summer.

teams with coming cap space who aren't ready to contend immediately -- like the Atlanta Hawks and Phoenix Suns -- may be more judicious with their money instead of making big offers to free agents like nearly every team was doing just two years ago. Instead, they may look for trade opportunities and it could depress the free-agent market further.


"There are going to be a lot of teams who are looking to move money," a general manager said. "And there aren't many places for it to go. So it will be hard to offload salary, and if you want to, the teams with space will probably charge high prices to take money from your books."

This is some excellent foresight by Travis to position us for the coming financial storm. A very ingenious approach to asset accumulation.

[Spud2nique]

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Right now, there are just seven teams expected to have significant cap space next summer.

teams with coming cap space who aren't ready to contend immediately -- like the Atlanta Hawks and Phoenix Suns -- may be more judicious with their money instead of making big offers to free agents like nearly every team was doing just two years ago. Instead, they may look for trade opportunities and it could depress the free-agent market further.


"There are going to be a lot of teams who are looking to move money," a general manager said. "And there aren't many places for it to go. So it will be hard to offload salary, and if you want to, the teams with space will probably charge high prices to take money from your books."

This is some excellent foresight by Travis to position us for the coming financial storm. A very ingenious approach to asset accumulation.

Teams we might look to in cap hell:

Blazers : not much interest
Thunder : take 2 years of Kyle Singler for Ferguson
Hornets : don’t love Monk enough to take MKG too
Bucks : Is take 2 years of Middleton for Thon Maker
Pistons : Stanley Johnson (yup, still on this kid)
Cavs : We have their top 10 lotto protected pick in 2019 but nobody I love on their roster for us.

[macd-gm]

We've been in this position before as "one of the few teams" with capspace. It doesn't matter much. The top teams will find a way to fit 3 all stars into $5 million dollars and we'll be picking off the scrap heap in free agency.

[Spud2nique]

We've been in this position before as "one of the few teams" with capspace. It doesn't matter much. The top teams will find a way to fit 3 all stars into $5 million dollars and we'll be picking off the scrap heap in free agency.

Sadly, this has been the case for....ever

[kg01]

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Right now, there are just seven teams expected to have significant cap space next summer.

teams with coming cap space who aren't ready to contend immediately -- like the Atlanta Hawks and Phoenix Suns -- may be more judicious with their money instead of making big offers to free agents like nearly every team was doing just two years ago. Instead, they may look for trade opportunities and it could depress the free-agent market further.


"There are going to be a lot of teams who are looking to move money," a general manager said. "And there aren't many places for it to go. So it will be hard to offload salary, and if you want to, the teams with space will probably charge high prices to take money from your books."

This is some excellent foresight by Travis to position us for the coming financial storm. A very ingenious approach to asset accumulation.

Teams we might look to in cap hell:

Blazers : not much interest
Thunder : take 2 years of Kyle Singler for Ferguson
Hornets : don’t love Monk enough to take MKG too
Bucks : Is take 2 years of Middleton for Thon Maker
Pistons : Stanley Johnson (yup, still on this kid)
Cavs : We have their top 10 lotto protected pick in 2019 but nobody I love on their roster for us.

IIUC, there are even more teams in (or are on the verge of being in) cap hades. Places like WAS, HOU (if they want to make room for James), maybe NOP (if they want to keep Cousins on a large deal?).

Of those you mentioned ...
POR: Agreed, even if Chuk is in play, he's too old for our timeline
OKC: Would've easily agreed if our development culture was still in place. Now, I'm not sure ... Ferguson was clearly not ready for postseason. Contrast that with Mitchell who wasn't really considered as good as prospect as Ferg. Yikes. NBA GM's are con men.
MIL: If they look to dump Middleton in favor of keeping Parker they're insane.
DET: But .... why? Give me the Duke kid they just drafted over StanJo the Banjo. Considering they'll likely have a new GM in place, the kid could be attainable - Honestly, I'm not enamored with either but (again) without Budz I'm not confident Stanjo the Banjo is recoverable.
CLE: Agreed, no young prospects there

[Robo_Claw]

We've been in this position before as "one of the few teams" with capspace. It doesn't matter much. The top teams will find a way to fit 3 all stars into $5 million dollars and we'll be picking off the scrap heap in free agency.

Sadly, this has been the case for....ever

that is true however we could be some desperate team's golden parachute out of cap hell. I'm down with raking someone over the coals to take some bad contracts for a few years.

[Spud2nique]

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This is some excellent foresight by Travis to position us for the coming financial storm. A very ingenious approach to asset accumulation.

Teams we might look to in cap hell:

Blazers : not much interest
Thunder : take 2 years of Kyle Singler for Ferguson
Hornets : don’t love Monk enough to take MKG too
Bucks : Is take 2 years of Middleton for Thon Maker
Pistons : Stanley Johnson (yup, still on this kid)
Cavs : We have their top 10 lotto protected pick in 2019 but nobody I love on their roster for us.

IIUC, there are even more teams in (or are on the verge of being in) cap hades. Places like WAS, HOU (if they want to make room for James), maybe NOP (if they want to keep Cousins on a large deal?).

Of those you mentioned ...
POR: Agreed, even if Chuk is in play, he's too old for our timeline
OKC: Would've easily agreed if our development culture was still in place. Now, I'm not sure ... Ferguson was clearly not ready for postseason. Contrast that with Mitchell who wasn't really considered as good as prospect as Ferg. Yikes. NBA GM's are con men.
MIL: If they look to dump Middleton in favor of keeping Parker they're insane.
DET: But .... why? Give me the Duke kid they just drafted over StanJo the Banjo. Considering they'll likely have a new GM in place, the kid could be attainable - Honestly, I'm not enamored with either but (again) without Budz I'm not confident Stanjo the Banjo is recoverable.
CLE: Agreed, no young prospects there

Bucks will take Parker over Middleton . Not saying it’s the right choice, but I think they keep Parker.

[kg01]

Teams we might look to in cap hell:

Blazers : not much interest
Thunder : take 2 years of Kyle Singler for Ferguson
Hornets : don’t love Monk enough to take MKG too
Bucks : Is take 2 years of Middleton for Thon Maker
Pistons : Stanley Johnson (yup, still on this kid)
Cavs : We have their top 10 lotto protected pick in 2019 but nobody I love on their roster for us.

IIUC, there are even more teams in (or are on the verge of being in) cap hades. Places like WAS, HOU (if they want to make room for James), maybe NOP (if they want to keep Cousins on a large deal?).

Of those you mentioned ...
POR: Agreed, even if Chuk is in play, he's too old for our timeline
OKC: Would've easily agreed if our development culture was still in place. Now, I'm not sure ... Ferguson was clearly not ready for postseason. Contrast that with Mitchell who wasn't really considered as good as prospect as Ferg. Yikes. NBA GM's are con men.
MIL: If they look to dump Middleton in favor of keeping Parker they're insane.
DET: But .... why? Give me the Duke kid they just drafted over StanJo the Banjo. Considering they'll likely have a new GM in place, the kid could be attainable - Honestly, I'm not enamored with either but (again) without Budz I'm not confident Stanjo the Banjo is recoverable.
CLE: Agreed, no young prospects there

Bucks will take Parker over Middleton . Not saying it’s the right choice, but I think they keep Parker.

Man, I hope you're right 'cause that means another EC team makin' mistakes.

[Spud2nique]

IIUC, there are even more teams in (or are on the verge of being in) cap hades. Places like WAS, HOU (if they want to make room for James), maybe NOP (if they want to keep Cousins on a large deal?).

Of those you mentioned ...
POR: Agreed, even if Chuk is in play, he's too old for our timeline
OKC: Would've easily agreed if our development culture was still in place. Now, I'm not sure ... Ferguson was clearly not ready for postseason. Contrast that with Mitchell who wasn't really considered as good as prospect as Ferg. Yikes. NBA GM's are con men.
MIL: If they look to dump Middleton in favor of keeping Parker they're insane.
DET: But .... why? Give me the Duke kid they just drafted over StanJo the Banjo. Considering they'll likely have a new GM in place, the kid could be attainable - Honestly, I'm not enamored with either but (again) without Budz I'm not confident Stanjo the Banjo is recoverable.
CLE: Agreed, no young prospects there

Bucks will take Parker over Middleton . Not saying it’s the right choice, but I think they keep Parker.

Man, I hope you're right 'cause that means another EC team makin' mistakes.

Well if they get Bud, he will make everything work over there in Bucktown even with Jabari.

[jayu70]

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Right now, there are just seven teams expected to have significant cap space next summer.

teams with coming cap space who aren't ready to contend immediately -- like the Atlanta Hawks and Phoenix Suns -- may be more judicious with their money instead of making big offers to free agents like nearly every team was doing just two years ago. Instead, they may look for trade opportunities and it could depress the free-agent market further.


"There are going to be a lot of teams who are looking to move money," a general manager said. "And there aren't many places for it to go. So it will be hard to offload salary, and if you want to, the teams with space will probably charge high prices to take money from your books."

This is some excellent foresight by Travis to position us for the coming financial storm. A very ingenious approach to asset accumulation.

Teams we might look to in cap hell:

Blazers : not much interest
Thunder : take 2 years of Kyle Singler for Ferguson
Hornets : don’t love Monk enough to take MKG too
Bucks : Is take 2 years of Middleton for Thon Maker
Pistons : Stanley Johnson (yup, still on this kid)
Cavs : We have their top 10 lotto protected pick in 2019 but nobody I love on their roster for us.

Add Minny, Denver and Miami to the list.
Bucks would look to move Delly and Henson before Midds.

[Jamaaliver]

Add Minny, Denver and Miami to the list.
Bucks would look to move Delly and Henson before Midds.

How ironic would it be if Denver, in an effort to clear cap space, sent Millsap BACK to us along with draft picks?

Jamaal would be greatly amused.

[jayu70]

Add Minny, Denver and Miami to the list.
Bucks would look to move Delly and Henson before Midds.

How ironic would it be if Denver, in an effort to clear cap space, sent Millsap BACK to us along with draft picks?

Jamaal would be greatly amused.

Denver is desperate to make the playoffs so they'll keep Millsap and look to move Faried and Plumlee.

[tbhawksfan1]

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Right now, there are just seven teams expected to have significant cap space next summer.

teams with coming cap space who aren't ready to contend immediately -- like the Atlanta Hawks and Phoenix Suns -- may be more judicious with their money instead of making big offers to free agents like nearly every team was doing just two years ago. Instead, they may look for trade opportunities and it could depress the free-agent market further.


"There are going to be a lot of teams who are looking to move money," a general manager said. "And there aren't many places for it to go. So it will be hard to offload salary, and if you want to, the teams with space will probably charge high prices to take money from your books."

This is some excellent foresight by Travis to position us for the coming financial storm. A very ingenious approach to asset accumulation.

C'mon Jamaal. The only reason that the team has the cap space is because Horf, Sap and almost 50 mil walked out the door. What else could TS have done to spend?

I would never have traded DH for Plumlee and a bad pick swap. I would have used him or sat him before making a crap trade.

For the moment the only thing TS has done is the above bad trade, losing Bud and getting #30 using cap that he didn't create.

As I said, what has he done to merit ingenious?

[Jamaaliver]

C'mon Jamaal. The only reason that the team has the cap space is because Horf, Sap and almost 50 mil walked out the door. What else could TS have done to spend?

I would never have traded DH for Plumlee and a bad pick swap. I would have used him or sat him before making a crap trade.

For the moment the only thing TS has done is the above bad trade, losing Bud and getting #30 using cap that he didn't create.

As I said, what has he done to merit ingenious?

I would simply, but respectfully, disagree.

Everything I've seen from Trav indicates he was tearing this thing down to the studs and building through the draft.

This approach is very much in line with that.

[tbhawksfan1]

A quick list of Schlenk accomplishments to back your position?

[Jamaaliver]

A quick list of Schlenk accomplishments to back your position?

You lost me...

He's tearing this thing down to the studs and has accomplished this by...tearing this thing down to the studs.

No half-hearted reboots here.

It's necessary. Wes Wilcox saw it, but didn't have the power to embark on a true rebuild from the bottom up.

Travis Schlenk has started over.

[tbhawksfan1]

With the Hawks recent track record, TS is on a short rope to produce positive results. Tanking was a positive, though unavoidable choice. The bad DH trade was just bad. Letting Bud go for nothing, also bad. Signing Dedmon / Illya and not trading them is bad. The no-trade to Illya, bad. Dedmon will either walk for nothing, having added bad positive to last season's record, or op-in and add negative wins to next season. Baze stil on the team, bad.

Absorbing JC for #30, good, but not that impressive.

I'm all for TS being a great GM. So far he's in the red

[Jamaaliver]

[dms269]

With the Hawks recent track record, TS is on a short rope to produce positive results. Tanking was a positive, though unavoidable choice. The bad DH trade was just bad. Letting Bud go for nothing, also bad. Signing Dedmon / Illya and not trading them is bad. The no-trade to Illya, bad. Dedmon will either walk for nothing, having added bad positive to last season's record, or op-in and add negative wins to next season. Baze stil on the team, bad.

Absorbing JC for #30, good, but not that impressive.

I'm all for TS being a great GM. So far he's in the red

The DH trade might have been "bad" but it was needed. You can't have a player who is a horrible locker room presence on a team with young players.

You do realize you can only trade players if there is a market for them. If He would have traded those for what the market dictated, it would have been for taking on longer salary commitments. Good teams weren't willing to trade for these pieces, they were just hoping for the buyout market.

The same with Bazemore. To move him we would have to give up good, young pieces or picks.

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I can look at the same situations you posted and come up with a complete different scenario.
Tanking: Positive
DH Trade: Positive
Bud: Negative (I agree we should have gotten something)
Not trading Illya/Dedmon: Positive (considering what we would have had to taken in return)
Baze: Positive (once again, considering what we would have gotten in return)