Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron

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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#441 » by loserX » Thu May 3, 2018 5:51 pm

CodeBreaker wrote:You know how to answer this kind of thread?

Who's more GOAT, MJ or LeBron?

- Whom are you more confident holding the ball in the last 10 seconds to win the game?


That's really not a great standard. I'd rather have Reggie Miller take the last shot than Magic Johnson but there's no question who the better/"greater" player was.

"Greatness" is complex and subjective enough a concept as it is. Picking a single reductionist criterion like that one is not likely to convince many people.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#442 » by Mac1958 » Thu May 3, 2018 5:53 pm

I think of the two as 1 and 1A.

I'm just sure which is which.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#443 » by HurricaneKid » Thu May 3, 2018 6:02 pm

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How the **** has this comment +20?!

MJ weaker opposition in the finals? Are you kidding me?
What about the paths he had to go through? The East that have had Lebron is waaaaaay weaker than the ones MJ had to suffer. FFS :crazy:

If LJ had done the same during the years BUT in the West conference, I would say yes, but come on man, the East has been ridiculous during the years. Only Boston Celtics with Allen was a real contender and he couldn't win them

Get out.

I remember how The Bulls and The Pacers were built to kill Miami Lebron. Both got swept. Multiple times. Lebron is just that good that these teams who suppose to stop him, cant handle the beast that opens up around PO time.

And do you actually think that Lebron in the west would have less success? Put him on one of those top8 teams with thinking GM and coaching staff. He would have more rings than he has now.


But then you'd say - OH ITS BECAUSE OF COACH or HOW GREAT GM HAVE BUILT THE TEAM for Lebron.


Get out? Who do you think u are **** twat.

That Indiana Pacers whose players are rol players at most with the exception of PG. Those Bulls, whose best player was injured. Butler was a no name by that time.He had to reunite with Chris Bosh and go to Wade's team to dominate the East. That was almost as weak as Durant. Come on kid, try to do it better next time


29 year old Kyle Korver was like the 9th guy on that team. At 37 he might LeBron's best teammate this postseason.

The Bulls had the MVP, a player that was 4th in MVP a few seasons later (Noah), a player who made the ASG the next two years (Deng), a multiple All Star and scoring machine in Boozer, an elite role playing big in Taj, a defensive and rebounding specialist in Asik gave them 4 starting quality bigs with Brewer/Watson/Bogans who were tenacious defenders and (with the exception of Brewer) really good shooters. They were really deep and really good. They would add Butler, Belinelli, Rip, etc over the next several years as well.

The complete revision of how good that Bulls team was is nonsensical. Especially from a Bulls fan.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#444 » by OdomFan » Thu May 3, 2018 6:20 pm

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OdomFan wrote:20.0 points per game, 1.5 steals, 3.8 assists isn't bad at all for a guy at 39-40 years old in his final season. Lebron wouldn't have a high team share or make the playoffs with that Wizards team either considering who they had.

Tyronn Lue who refused to listen, Brendan Haywood before he developed into a solid big in later. Kwame Brown, etc. The only quality guy they had was Rip Hamilton and they foolishly let him slip away tro Detroit exchange for Stackhouse to try and win now. Big mistake.


In 01-02 MJ took 22.1 FGAs to score his 22.9. LeBron shot that many times ONCE in his career (when he was 21). Even when he was leading the league in scoring LeBron didn't shoot that much. MJs .468 TS% that season is >.100 points less than any LeBron TS% in the last 10 years.

The notion that MJ finished his career strong is complete nonsense.


Well MJ was a shooting guard and Lebrons a modern day point forward. Has been since the moment he came into the league so not sure why you're trying to say they're supposed to do everything identical on the court.

Anyway my point still stands that that Wizards team wouldn't be lead to a playoff by anyone in history. That roster just didn't have it in them period.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#445 » by HurricaneKid » Thu May 3, 2018 7:06 pm

OdomFan wrote:
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OdomFan wrote:20.0 points per game, 1.5 steals, 3.8 assists isn't bad at all for a guy at 39-40 years old in his final season. Lebron wouldn't have a high team share or make the playoffs with that Wizards team either considering who they had.

Tyronn Lue who refused to listen, Brendan Haywood before he developed into a solid big in later. Kwame Brown, etc. The only quality guy they had was Rip Hamilton and they foolishly let him slip away tro Detroit exchange for Stackhouse to try and win now. Big mistake.


In 01-02 MJ took 22.1 FGAs to score his 22.9. LeBron shot that many times ONCE in his career (when he was 21). Even when he was leading the league in scoring LeBron didn't shoot that much. MJs .468 TS% that season is >.100 points less than any LeBron TS% in the last 10 years.

The notion that MJ finished his career strong is complete nonsense.


Well MJ was a shooting guard and Lebrons a modern day point forward. Has been since the moment he came into the league so not sure why you're trying to say they're supposed to do everything identical on the court.

Anyway my point still stands that that Wizards team wouldn't be lead to a playoff by anyone in history. That roster just didn't have it in them period.


How old are you? MJ played almost exclusively out of the post in his return. They don't have to do anything identically, just score at reasonable rates. Which LeBron has done every seasons since his rookie year. And MJ completely failed to do for the Wizards.

The east back then was far worse than the east today. Over that period there wasn't a reasonably close Finals for 5 years, much less an Eastern Champ. Plenty of bad teams made the playoffs and they had Rip averaging a career best 20ppg. I have no idea why you think that team was 24 games worse than the 08 Cavs.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#446 » by OdomFan » Thu May 3, 2018 7:23 pm

HurricaneKid wrote:
OdomFan wrote:
HurricaneKid wrote:
In 01-02 MJ took 22.1 FGAs to score his 22.9. LeBron shot that many times ONCE in his career (when he was 21). Even when he was leading the league in scoring LeBron didn't shoot that much. MJs .468 TS% that season is >.100 points less than any LeBron TS% in the last 10 years.

The notion that MJ finished his career strong is complete nonsense.


Well MJ was a shooting guard and Lebrons a modern day point forward. Has been since the moment he came into the league so not sure why you're trying to say they're supposed to do everything identical on the court.

Anyway my point still stands that that Wizards team wouldn't be lead to a playoff by anyone in history. That roster just didn't have it in them period.


How old are you? MJ played almost exclusively out of the post in his return.

The east back then was far worse than the east today. Plenty of bad teams made the playoffs and they had Rip averaging a career best 20ppg. I have no idea why you think that team was 24 games worse than the 08 Cavs.


What does playing out of the post have to do with anything I said? I said that Lebron and MJ had different responsibilities on the court because they played different positions for their team. If you can't comprehend that than you need to either learn more about basketball or just switch over to another sport all together.

I'm well aware of Hamilton's numbers. He was really good while their hence why I said it was a mistake for them to let him to get Stackhouse who didn't click at all for them. How old am I? old enough to say I watched all of that live. Moving on now.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#447 » by Iplaytolose » Thu May 3, 2018 9:28 pm

infinite11285 wrote:
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Jordan has the numbers too


LeBron is the only 30k/8k/8k player ever, and I don't think the next player on that list is close to those numbers. Eventually he will get 2k steals and maybe 1k blocks.


40k/10k/10k/2k/1k would be a hell of a way to go out.


Yeah I don't think people realize the context of those numbers compared to the rest of the all time greats. He's in a category of his own in that regard with no one coming close. That's no exaggeration.
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Re: RE: Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#448 » by Mbrahv0528 » Thu May 3, 2018 10:04 pm

OdomFan wrote:
HurricaneKid wrote:
OdomFan wrote:
Well MJ was a shooting guard and Lebrons a modern day point forward. Has been since the moment he came into the league so not sure why you're trying to say they're supposed to do everything identical on the court.

Anyway my point still stands that that Wizards team wouldn't be lead to a playoff by anyone in history. That roster just didn't have it in them period.


How old are you? MJ played almost exclusively out of the post in his return.

The east back then was far worse than the east today. Plenty of bad teams made the playoffs and they had Rip averaging a career best 20ppg. I have no idea why you think that team was 24 games worse than the 08 Cavs.


What does playing out of the post have to do with anything I said? I said that Lebron and MJ had different responsibilities on the court because they played different positions for their team. If you can't comprehend that than you need to either learn more about basketball or just switch over to another sport all together.

I'm well aware of Hamilton's numbers. He was really good while their hence why I said it was a mistake for them to let him to get Stackhouse who didn't click at all for them. How old am I? old enough to say I watched all of that live. Moving on now.
I'm with you on this. Also ironic that the dude with kid in is username is asking someone else how old they are. Lmao, stop it .

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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#449 » by HurricaneKid » Thu May 3, 2018 10:24 pm

OdomFan wrote:
HurricaneKid wrote:
OdomFan wrote:
Well MJ was a shooting guard and Lebrons a modern day point forward. Has been since the moment he came into the league so not sure why you're trying to say they're supposed to do everything identical on the court.

Anyway my point still stands that that Wizards team wouldn't be lead to a playoff by anyone in history. That roster just didn't have it in them period.


How old are you? MJ played almost exclusively out of the post in his return.

The east back then was far worse than the east today. Plenty of bad teams made the playoffs and they had Rip averaging a career best 20ppg. I have no idea why you think that team was 24 games worse than the 08 Cavs.


What does playing out of the post have to do with anything I said? I said that Lebron and MJ had different responsibilities on the court because they played different positions for their team. If you can't comprehend that than you need to either learn more about basketball or just switch over to another sport all together.

I'm well aware of Hamilton's numbers. He was really good while their hence why I said it was a mistake for them to let him to get Stackhouse who didn't click at all for them. How old am I? old enough to say I watched all of that live. Moving on now.


LOL.

They were the primary playmakers on their respective teams. I can comprehend a lot, just not your feeble excuses why a player with a .468 TS% who was 2nd in the entire league in FGAs couldn't possibly have been replaced by an all time great to win a handful more games. The entire premise of your argument is suspect.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#450 » by OdomFan » Thu May 3, 2018 11:10 pm

yeah this dude doesn't have a clue.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#451 » by Biggie Smalls » Fri May 4, 2018 12:02 am

HurricaneKid wrote:
OdomFan wrote:
HurricaneKid wrote:
How old are you? MJ played almost exclusively out of the post in his return.

The east back then was far worse than the east today. Plenty of bad teams made the playoffs and they had Rip averaging a career best 20ppg. I have no idea why you think that team was 24 games worse than the 08 Cavs.


What does playing out of the post have to do with anything I said? I said that Lebron and MJ had different responsibilities on the court because they played different positions for their team. If you can't comprehend that than you need to either learn more about basketball or just switch over to another sport all together.

I'm well aware of Hamilton's numbers. He was really good while their hence why I said it was a mistake for them to let him to get Stackhouse who didn't click at all for them. How old am I? old enough to say I watched all of that live. Moving on now.


LOL.

They were the primary playmakers on their respective teams. I can comprehend a lot, just not your feeble excuses why a player with a .468 TS% who was 2nd in the entire league in FGAs couldn't possibly have been replaced by an all time great to win a handful more games. The entire premise of your argument is suspect.


I think we all agree that Jordan sucked in his years in Washington so therefore Lebron has the edge on longevity. But Jordans peak > lebrons peak i think we can agree on that. That 1986-87 season was inhumane stats and accomplishment wise. 1988-1989 is right up there too.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#452 » by CodeBreaker » Fri May 4, 2018 12:26 am

LeBird wrote:
CodeBreaker wrote:You know how to answer this kind of thread?

Who's more GOAT, MJ or LeBron?

- Whom are you more confident holding the ball in the last 10 seconds to win the game?


First millisecond to last millisecond I'd rather have LeBron.

Then no one's taking you seriously
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#453 » by OdomFan » Fri May 4, 2018 12:27 am

MJ didn't put up MJ numbers but he was still fun to watch throughout those seasons imo. Leaving it at that.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#454 » by WarFan » Fri May 4, 2018 12:38 am

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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#455 » by Hobo4President » Fri May 4, 2018 1:26 am

My list is still

1. MJ
2. KAJ
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#456 » by 13th Man » Fri May 4, 2018 1:44 am

Agree with Pippen. Lebron is a more complete player but Jordan is a better scorer and big game player.

If Lebron can keep up the way he's been playing, he may certainly surpass MJ in greatness though.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#457 » by Vayuputra » Fri May 4, 2018 3:54 am

When I look at a young Jordan, I cannot think of anyone in Sports with more 'swagger' than him. He reminds me of Brad Pitt's Achillies in Troy, more than any other athlete in the last century. Perhaps a young Kareem comes close in terms of style and body language. But Kareem was far too intelligent to play the crowd like Jordan did. Lebron may end up as the more complete player / GOAT whatever in people's minds but Jordan, particularly a young Jordan had everything you would want in a Superstar and there is a reason Basketball exploded globally with him as the face of the league.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#458 » by TrebleNotDouble » Fri May 4, 2018 4:49 am

Better stats in a defensive-less ERA

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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#459 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri May 4, 2018 6:03 am

I prefer Jordan's style of play rather than physical power of LeBron.
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Re: Pippen on First Take about Jordan vs Lebron 

Post#460 » by lakerz12 » Fri May 4, 2018 6:16 am

Mac1958 wrote:I think of the two as 1 and 1A.

I'm just sure which is which.


So many grammatical question marks in this post but how about 1A and 1D based on championships?

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