ECSF: P3 | (1) Toronto Raptors vs Cleveland Cavaliers (4) | CLE wins 4-0

[And1+2]

Lowry would be a great point guard on a team with a superstar. He does not want to be the first option, never did.

Nah he's washed.

Maybe a couple of years ago when he was a bit quicker n played with more ferocity. Now he's reduced his game mainly to being a spot jump shooter n many are bad shot selection ie/ bringing the ball up for a quick pull up 3 with a full shot clock as he loves to do.

Definitely not completely washed..only issue is he plays with one of the dumbest shooting guards in the league.

[DROB27]

I can’t believe i had this team making the finals lol

[Kabookalu]

Good news for the Raptors is if they decide to rid themselves of the KL ,DD, Ibaka core they are in great shape for a quick rebuild .

If we can just get rid of Lowry I'll be happy. At least DeMar and Ibaka are consistent in how bad/mediocre they are, and their output depends on how hot they are on the field. Lowry on the other hand, I'm tired of his play always declining in the playoffs. It's not even about making shots, but the high IQ plays, the grit, the bulldog mentality, the ones that makes us win games and has the Raptors in it with the best of teams during the regular season.

Then in the playoffs he becomes soft and passive. He became more of a playmaker this regular season and made some great plays setting teammates up for shots, but he's not doing that either now. Such a frustrating player. He's the reason why we overachieve in the regular season, but underachieve in the playoffs.

If Lowry had a superstar next to him, it would change everything. Instead he has DeTrash...

Lowry is not a first option. If he was riding the coat tails of a Superstar's confidence, he would be scary good.

He had his chance in 2014 when Pat Riley was wooing him, and he didn't take it because he wanted his own team. Those are literally his words. He's always wanted to be the first option, unless when the going gets tough he'll hide behind everyone.

[yellowknifer]

So embarrassing.

[LeBird]

I’m not sure what you’re not getting here. I’ll try to be as simple as you’re able to understand: fair would be calling it the same for each team. Can we agree on that?

No, the calls aren't supposed to be fair, just accurate. If one team is fouling more than another, there is no point being fair and evening that up.

It was the right call, that should be all that matters to you. Refs won't be perfect, but you want them to get the right calls.

Honestly, Raptors fans seem to be bigger mental midgets than their players. They're about to get swept comprehensively and want to blame refs - that got the call right. Embarrassing.

[Ugalde]

Refs call a foul on LeBron and then they force the Raptors too miss a wide open three!!! Then they forced the Raps to not play D on Bron so he got a wide open dunk!!!
Refs are MAD!!!

[CellarDoor]

Two very very young teams, it’s to be expected

Lowry, Derozan, Ibaka, Val, Miles.

They've got some young pieces too, but that's three of their best players and two more of their top 8 or 9 depending on where you slot Poetl.

Val is still young believe it or not.

The Raps were the 2nd youngest playoff team. Many guys are still on their rookie deal.

He's 26 and has played 41 playoff games. There is no "youth" argument to be made within the context being discussed here for any of the players I listed, who make up 5 of your top 8.

[NBAFan93]

Lebron with the help of the refs is the greatest player in the world. Any NBA player would be great if I they had 3 refs helping them. This is **** terrible to watch.

Yeah - LeBron would suck w/o the refs. He’s really just an average player at best...

[DTP]

Not sure why you say they haven't been giving that game to players all year when they really have. Again, when was the foul called? If it was while he was catching it, then it was the wrong call. If it was before, then fine, the right call was made...and then was changed because of the lobbying from LeBron.

Ok I'll step back and agree it's been inconsistent, but I watched games on league pass all year and players haven't been getting that continuation call. I just don't see a big deal about this reversing it after the "review".

They review that because LeBron grabbed the ball and demanded they review it.

Kevin Love gets away with a flagrant and Casey gets slapped with a tech for asking for a review.

Consistency is key and refs consistently give the call to the Cavs

First, let's talk some facts here...the play was never reviewed. The officials huddled and reversed the call. In live action when the whistle blew it was before the continuation but while watching the replay it should've been continuation. Key part is...the play wasn't reviewable.

That one play isn't the reason Toronto is sucking....but the soft mentality is. I called it back in like January against the Bucks. No surprise in the results now.

[Ugalde]

AIRBALL??? God DAMN REFS!!!

[thelead]

[GameOver25]

Look at that refs fault that LeBron had a wide open drive and dunk!

[Kabookalu]

I’m not sure what you’re not getting here. I’ll try to be as simple as you’re able to understand: fair would be calling it the same for each team. Can we agree on that?

No, the calls aren't supposed to be fair, just accurate. If one team is fouling more than another, there is no point being fair and evening that up.

It was the right call, that should be all that matters to you. Refs won't be perfect, but you want them to get the right calls.

Honestly, Raptors fans seem to be bigger mental midgets than their players. They're about to get swept comprehensively and want to blame refs - that got the call right. Embarrassing.

Being fair isn't about evening up calls, but calling calls on one side as equally as the other regardless of team or player.

[Ugalde]

Another missed three by the REFS!!

[java051997]

Barney Duo

[picc]

A lot of Kyle Lowry's problems come from him being short.

As simple as it sounds

[Bruteque]

Another missed three by the REFS!!

At least the refs are willing to take the open shot, unlike Lowry.

[PhilBlackson]

Lowry would be a great point guard on a team with a superstar. He does not want to be the first option, never did.

Nah he's washed.

Maybe a couple of years ago when he was a bit quicker n played with more ferocity. Now he's reduced his game mainly to being a spot jump shooter n many are bad shot selection ie/ bringing the ball up for a quick pull up 3 with a full shot clock as he loves to do.

Definitely not completely washed..only issue is he plays with one of the dumbest shooting guards in the league.

What's even sadder is one of the dumbest SG was better this year than he was this season.

[infinite11285]

Casey's "adjustment" to go smaller by starting FVV not only played right into Cleveland's hands, it also discombobulated the flow of the Raptors entire rotation. The bench unit didn't have that 'spark' it typically does because FVV wasn't running that unit. Couple that with DeRozan completely disappearing, and this is the result.

What would you suggest with Ibaka struggling?

Hard trapping LeBron, for starters.

Honestly, I would've started Miles. FVV is integral to the second unit.

[Ugalde]

Another missed three by the REFS!!

At least the refs are willing to take the open shot, unlike Lowry.

Lol