ECSF: P3 | (1) Toronto Raptors vs Cleveland Cavaliers (4) | CLE wins 4-0

[LeBird]

Being fair isn't about evening up calls, but calling calls on one side as equally as the other regardless of team or player.

There hasn't been a similar call to make against the Cavs/LeBron. Stop making stuff up, it's pathetic.

[CobraCommander]

The difference between Kyle Lowery and any of the other top point guards is they can go off for big numbers any night and he just seems to be playing his game...like this is a regular season game....this is the END if he doesnt get the win today...doesnt feel like it

[Kordic27]

I’m not sure what you’re not getting here. I’ll try to be as simple as you’re able to understand: fair would be calling it the same for each team. Can we agree on that?

No, the calls aren't supposed to be fair, just accurate. If one team is fouling more than another, there is no point being fair and evening that up.

It was the right call, that should be all that matters to you. Refs won't be perfect, but you want them to get the right calls.

Honestly, Raptors fans seem to be bigger mental midgets than their players. They're about to get swept comprehensively and want to blame refs - that got the call right. Embarrassing.

Okay I’ll try to simplify further: if a Cavs player touches a raps player on a drive, and gets called for a foul, then if a raps player touches a Cavs player in the exact same way on the exact same drive, it should also be called a foul. Agreed or no?

[Alex DeLarge]

Remember when the Cavs hosed the Raps during the regular season and Toronto fans pounced on anyone that dared suggest that it was the same ol' Raps when it came to LeBron and the Cavs?

[azcatz11]

I feel bad for the Raps. Honestly, if they played in the West I feel they could advance farther (as crazy as that sounds) They have this huge mental block going up against LeBron

[Ugalde]

How many fouls have the Raps got over the Cavs this quarter so far??? Did the Refs switch conspiracy theories at halftime?????
Raps fans any answer for that???

[King Ken]

Casey's "adjustment" to go smaller by starting FVV not only played right into Cleveland's hands, it also discombobulated the flow of the Raptors entire rotation. The bench unit didn't have that 'spark' it typically does because FVV wasn't running that unit. Couple that with DeRozan completely disappearing, and this is the result.

What would you suggest with Ibaka struggling?

Hard trapping LeBron, for starters.

Honestly, I would've started Miles. FVV is integral to the second unit.

LeBron didn't start going off till the 2nd QT.

[GotDaSauce]

Lebronto showing signs of life here!

[CobraCommander]

JV is your best player....OG is the future...DD is not smart and Lowery is too casual....plus Casey is a horrible coach...sorry Toronto.

[DowJones]

I had 7:30 in the 3rd quarter before the big halftime lead is cut to 3 or less.

[Kabookalu]

Being fair isn't about evening up calls, but calling calls on one side as equally as the other regardless of team or player.

There hasn't been a similar call to make against the Cavs/LeBron. Stop making stuff up, it's pathetic.

I'm not focused on that play, just arguing your logic. Calling calls evenly isn't about giving both sides the same amount of fouls.

[LeBird]

Okay I’ll try to simplify further: if a Cavs player touches a raps player on a drive, and gets called for a foul, then if a raps player touches a Cavs player in the exact same way on the exact same drive, it should also be called a foul. Agreed or no?

Sure, but guess what? The refs call a soft foul for LeBron on one play and he gets hacked 2 other plays and there is no foul.

The idea that the inconsistency only goes against Toronto is a figment of your imagination. Stop making excuses and being emotional.

[toodles23]

Derozan just got an incredibly soft call there. Lebron takes way more contact than that on literally every single drive. Not gonna hear Raptors fans crying about that one though.

[DTP]

DeRozan & VanVleet are 3-15 from the field but IT'S THE REFS!

[basketball royalty]

Ok I'll step back and agree it's been inconsistent, but I watched games on league pass all year and players haven't been getting that continuation call. I just don't see a big deal about this reversing it after the "review".

They review that because LeBron grabbed the ball and demanded they review it.

Kevin Love gets away with a flagrant and Casey gets slapped with a tech for asking for a review.

Consistency is key and refs consistently give the call to the Cavs

First, let's talk some facts here...the play was never reviewed. The officials huddled and reversed the call. In live action when the whistle blew it was before the continuation but while watching the replay it should've been continuation. Key part is...the play wasn't reviewable.

That one play isn't the reason Toronto is sucking....but the soft mentality is. I called it back in like January against the Bucks. No surprise in the results now.

It isn’t one call or one play. These teams are playing under different rules.

[DAWill1128]

As I have said, all the Raptors frontcourt guys are one dimensional on offense, guard them accordingly and they won't do anything.

The Raptors frontcourt players don't have any layers offensively, none of these guys can do more than one thing. They need a guy with some dimensions who can shoot from anywhere, attack the hoop, handle the ball, pass the rock.

The frontcourt guys all get overplayed and they don't have enough skill to do anything about it. If the Raptors sub in Van Fleet they become too undersized and deficient on offense paired with Derozan and Lowry.

This is just a continuous situation for the Raptors that hasn't been solved in years. Game plan for Derozan and Lowry, if one guy doesn't shoot the ball well they are done. Who else is gonna step in and ring up 20 on the opponet to make them pay?

[OGLife]

DeRozan & VanVleet are 3-15 from the field but IT'S THE REFS!

Leave.

[Dupp]

Was the play under review?

Did one red call one thing and the other call another? I actually don’t know.

In the end it was the right call even if it was made the wrong way. Annoying but still hill was fouling him way before he was in shooting motion

So we're in the mood of amending calls for the Cavs but not the Raptors

Hey sorry it’s not your fault

[And1+2]

Nah he's washed.

Maybe a couple of years ago when he was a bit quicker n played with more ferocity. Now he's reduced his game mainly to being a spot jump shooter n many are bad shot selection ie/ bringing the ball up for a quick pull up 3 with a full shot clock as he loves to do.

Definitely not completely washed..only issue is he plays with one of the dumbest shooting guards in the league.

What's even sadder is one of the dumbest SG was better this year than he was this season.

Yeah, no. Not at all. We can definitely agree to disagree with that... Ppg isn't everything. Not even close.

[Yorkex]

Lool another fake run.