Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[thxfrthmmrs]

Not discounting Ingram but if we were offering the number six and or the 22 with the willingness to take on a terrible contract we could probably do better.
His value is rising but it's only reasonable for one more year and then the man's got to get paid after that. if you tacked the deng contract we be paying 20 million salary for 2 yrs along with a draft pick for the rights to Ingram, next year 5mil , then a raise. Not that it will happen but id rather spend 30 on Paul george instead of 24 on Ingram/deng or just seriously shop one or both of our pics and see what's out there.

Side note, need to clear some roster space so we can take some chances. It's a buyer's market. I don't want to see deng parked next to asik and shrek.

That's why I said Ingram for 6th straight up, which is a no brainer for me. If it was to take back Deng's salary, I would do Deng, Ingram for 22nd and maybe a 2nd rounder.

What's so special about Ingram? If he was that good the Lakers would not trade him even if they signed LeBron. Cleveland didn't ship Irving off. I'd rather keep our pick.

Former #2 pick, 6'9" ballhander who can just do about everything on the floor and not going to turn 21 until start of next season? He's also someone who made some significant improvement from year 1 to year 2, that just shows you his work ethic and coachability.

If Lakers wants to surge back to relevance this is their chance. If they clear out the $23mil from Deng and Ingram salary they can pretty much sign 3 max contracts along with retaining Ball, Randle, and Kuzma. Ingram becomes expandable because he's skills are duplicated by Lebron.

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Ryan Anderson and Top 20 Protected 2019 1st for Felicio and Zipser?

Not enough to take on Anderson's contract.

His deal is 2/$40. I'd take that on for another 1st and ridding ourselves of Shrek and his extra year.

Makes Portis more expendable.

Anderson's deal becomes a decent asset at 2020 trade deadline.

[WindyCityBorn]

That's why I said Ingram for 6th straight up, which is a no brainer for me. If it was to take back Deng's salary, I would do Deng, Ingram for 22nd and maybe a 2nd rounder.

What's so special about Ingram? If he was that good the Lakers would not trade him even if they signed LeBron. Cleveland didn't ship Irving off. I'd rather keep our pick.

Former #2 pick, 6'9" ballhander who can just do about everything on the floor and not going to turn 21 until start of next season? He's also someone who made some significant improvement from year 1 to year 2, that just shows you his work ethic and coachability.

If Lakers wants to surge back to relevance this is their chance. If they clear out the $23mil from Deng and Ingram salary they can pretty much sign 3 max contracts along with retaining Ball, Randle, and Kuzma. Ingram becomes expandable because he's skills are duplicated by Lebron.

If Ingram is going to be as good as you think they are not using him as a chip to dump Deng. That would be a horrendously short-sighted move on their part. Either way this trade won't happening.

[StephenAA]

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Obviously Pax wasn't worried about taking on salary for next year or we wouldn't have taken Asik. Cap flexibility / FA's this summer is not the issue...

And while Pax for the most part wants to stay flexible for FA in 2019, his real eye is on the summer of 2020 - Anthony Davis! He is building this team (talent and salary-wise) with that in mind. Hence, taking on either Noah or Deng's contract for the next 2 years will not hurt that specific issue - and it may even help it!!

AA

Not happening. Bulls are not taking on multiple years outrageously bad contracts this Summer.

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When Davis starts giving the signal half-way through the 2019/20 season that he is considering "optioning out" at the end of that season, and hence the Pelicans want to move him to get some value in return, will the Bulls be ready? What expiring will you give (as the financial foundation of any trade) to even come close to his 27 million / year salary? I don't know - Maybe you do, maybe you don't - and just wait to get him in the summer. However, can you offer Davis more (in the summer of 2020) if he is already on your team? Would "Bird Rights" be in play? IOW, it might be worth getting him early, and you better be ready!

Is it worth the 9th pick, or is it worth Ingram?

What if you could move Asik or Felicio at the same time?

The Bulls will be paying Asik 11 million next year for basically doing nothing but taking up salary cap space - they chose to do this for a 22nd pick - and you don't think they would do the same with Noah or Deng's contract (18-19 million)? Deng at least might have some value playing / leadership / mentoring off the court... Did either player burn any bridges when they left the Bulls?

I agree that the Bulls have had a history of being very financially tight and to a degree stingy about their money. However, there could be many reasons why they would consider it...

In the end, if I were to do it, I value Deng and Ingram over Noah and the 9th pick...

AA

[thxfrthmmrs]

What's so special about Ingram? If he was that good the Lakers would not trade him even if they signed LeBron. Cleveland didn't ship Irving off. I'd rather keep our pick.

Former #2 pick, 6'9" ballhander who can just do about everything on the floor and not going to turn 21 until start of next season? He's also someone who made some significant improvement from year 1 to year 2, that just shows you his work ethic and coachability.

If Lakers wants to surge back to relevance this is their chance. If they clear out the $23mil from Deng and Ingram salary they can pretty much sign 3 max contracts along with retaining Ball, Randle, and Kuzma. Ingram becomes expandable because he's skills are duplicated by Lebron.

If Ingram is going to be as good as you think they are not using him as a chip to dump Deng. That would be a horrendously short-sighted move on their part. Either way this trade won't happening.

Heat traded away Michael Beasley at the time of assembling their super team for way below his value so they could clear space (yes I am aware Beasley's value is a lot lower than Ingram's at this moment, but the trade offer here is also better). Do you think they regretted that move the year after when he went for 19 and 6? If Lakers sign 3 max contract that include Lebron and the Lakers young core, that would seriously put them in rival, if not better, than Warrior's lineup (not to mention Warriors may not be able to afford to keep everybody very soon). Do you think they would regret the Ingram trade down the road? Don't give question my basketball knowledge with that weak ass, nearsighted, comment.

I also don't think 99.9% of the trade suggestions on here actually happened, so that's very good detective skill you displayed right there,Sherlock. If you want to discuss trades that will actually happen, you should stay out of this forum instead of being pooping on every trade idea thrown on here (judging by your comments the last couple of pages. Seriously, contribute another way on this thread). The OP suggested an Ingram trade and I reacted with my version of the trade idea, which seems fair by all accounts based on the discussions had the last couple of pages.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I think the Bulls should go all in for Doncic.

6, 22, and Portis for the 2 pick in the draft.

Doncic fits beautifully with the Bulls. Dunn will remain starting point, Doncic will start at SF and be the primary ball handler. He'll run pick and roll/pop with Lauri for the next decade.

[WindyCityBorn]

Former #2 pick, 6'9" ballhander who can just do about everything on the floor and not going to turn 21 until start of next season? He's also someone who made some significant improvement from year 1 to year 2, that just shows you his work ethic and coachability.

If Lakers wants to surge back to relevance this is their chance. If they clear out the $23mil from Deng and Ingram salary they can pretty much sign 3 max contracts along with retaining Ball, Randle, and Kuzma. Ingram becomes expandable because he's skills are duplicated by Lebron.

If Ingram is going to be as good as you think they are not using him as a chip to dump Deng. That would be a horrendously short-sighted move on their part. Either way this trade won't happening.

Heat traded away Michael Beasley at the time of assembling their super team for way below his value so they could clear space (yes I am aware Beasley's value is a lot lower than Ingram's at this moment, but the trade offer here is also better). Do you think they regretted that move the year after when he went for 19 and 6? If Lakers sign 3 max contract that include Lebron and the Lakers young core, that would seriously put them in rival, if not better, than Warrior's lineup (not to mention Warriors may not be able to afford to keep everybody very soon). Do you think they would regret the Ingram trade down the road? Don't give question my basketball knowledge with that weak ass, nearsighted, comment.

I also don't think 99.9% of the trade suggestions on here actually happened, so that's very good detective skill you displayed right there,Sherlock. If you want to discuss trades that will actually happen, you should stay out of this forum instead of being pooping on every trade idea thrown on here (judging by your comments the last couple of pages. Seriously, contribute another way on this thread). The OP suggested an Ingram trade and I reacted with my version of the trade idea, which seems fair by all accounts based on the discussions had the last couple of pages.

Heat let Beasley go because he was already a disappointment. If he had lived up to the hype like Rose they would done everything possible to keep him while adding LeBron and Bosh. They made no effort to keep him.

[thxfrthmmrs]

If Ingram is going to be as good as you think they are not using him as a chip to dump Deng. That would be a horrendously short-sighted move on their part. Either way this trade won't happening.

Heat traded away Michael Beasley at the time of assembling their super team for way below his value so they could clear space (yes I am aware Beasley's value is a lot lower than Ingram's at this moment, but the trade offer here is also better). Do you think they regretted that move the year after when he went for 19 and 6? If Lakers sign 3 max contract that include Lebron and the Lakers young core, that would seriously put them in rival, if not better, than Warrior's lineup (not to mention Warriors may not be able to afford to keep everybody very soon). Do you think they would regret the Ingram trade down the road? Don't give question my basketball knowledge with that weak ass, nearsighted, comment.

I also don't think 99.9% of the trade suggestions on here actually happened, so that's very good detective skill you displayed right there,Sherlock. If you want to discuss trades that will actually happen, you should stay out of this forum instead of being pooping on every trade idea thrown on here (judging by your comments the last couple of pages. Seriously, contribute another way on this thread). The OP suggested an Ingram trade and I reacted with my version of the trade idea, which seems fair by all accounts based on the discussions had the last couple of pages.

Heat let Beasley go because he was already a disappointment. If he had lived up to the hype like Rose they would done everything possible to keep him while adding LeBron and Bosh. They made no effort to keep him.

For a #2 pick and a hyped prospect, while he didn't live up to the expectation after first 2 years, he wasn't bad. We're not talking about Anthony Bennett or Kris Dunn (after year 1) bad here. He was 1st team all rookie and improved slightly in year 2. With him traded for only 2 2nd round picks, that's a far cry from his actual trade value at the time. Heat had to make that trade to absorb 3 max contracts at the time (I think Chalmers was the only guaranteed contract remaining). FWIW Ingram's rookie year was horrendous as well, but he has flashed more potential than Beasley did in year 2. Yet he's still about 2 years away from being an all star, that's the other reason why Lakers might use him as a chip to clear space.

We're not comparing apples to apples here, but there had been precedence that teams trade away young talent in order to clear space to build a win-now super team.

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Portis and #6 for Jaylen Brown.

With Hayward coming back, I wonder if Boston might consider this?

[WindyCityBorn]

Portis and #6 for Jaylen Brown.

With Hayward coming back, I wonder if Boston might consider this?

Nope. They would probably trade Hayward first. Tatum/Brown could be the wing duo in the NBA in a couple of years.

[sogood]

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[xpmar9x]

2 Trades for our "rebuild":

Trade #1:
CHI GETS: Otto Porter + Mahinmi
WASH GETS: Melo, Bobby Portis, & Asik
OKC GETS: Jerian Grant + Felicio + future 2 (via chi)

Wash saves a ton of money year 2. Melo/BP allow them to still compete in the East w Wall/Beal. OKC moves on from Melo, PG likely leaves, giving them an insane amount of money this summer. Bulls take back Mahinmis crud deal but add our future at the 3.

Trade #2:
CHI gets: #14 + Faried
DEN gets: #22 + Holiday
Bulls take on more money (expiring $13.7m deal) while moving up in the draft, and adding 4 depth since BP would be gone.

Dunn - (Lavine) - Payne
Lavine - Valentine - Kilpatrick
Otto P - Miles Bridges (14)
Lauri - Faried
Lopez - Bamba (6) - Mahinmi

[sco]

2 Trades for our "rebuild":

Trade #1:
CHI GETS: Otto Porter + Mahinmi
WASH GETS: Melo, Bobby Portis, & Asik
OKC GETS: Jerian Grant + Felicio + future 2 (via chi)

Wash saves a ton of money year 2. Melo/BP allow them to still compete in the East w Wall/Beal. OKC moves on from Melo, PG likely leaves, giving them an insane amount of money this summer. Bulls take back Mahinmis crud deal but add our future at the 3.

Trade #2:
CHI gets: #14 + Faried
DEN gets: #22 + Holiday
Bulls take on more money (expiring $13.7m deal) while moving up in the draft, and adding 4 depth since BP would be gone.

Dunn - (Lavine) - Payne
Lavine - Valentine - Kilpatrick
Otto P - Miles Bridges (14)
Lauri - Faried
Lopez - Bamba (6) - Mahinmi

I like the concept, but don't think either Wash or Denver will be sufficiently motivated by the offer/savings to be interested.

[xpmar9x]

2 Trades for our "rebuild":

Trade #1:
CHI GETS: Otto Porter + Mahinmi
WASH GETS: Melo, Bobby Portis, & Asik
OKC GETS: Jerian Grant + Felicio + future 2 (via chi)

Wash saves a ton of money year 2. Melo/BP allow them to still compete in the East w Wall/Beal. OKC moves on from Melo, PG likely leaves, giving them an insane amount of money this summer. Bulls take back Mahinmis crud deal but add our future at the 3.

Trade #2:
CHI gets: #14 + Faried
DEN gets: #22 + Holiday
Bulls take on more money (expiring $13.7m deal) while moving up in the draft, and adding 4 depth since BP would be gone.

Dunn - (Lavine) - Payne
Lavine - Valentine - Kilpatrick
Otto P - Miles Bridges (14)
Lauri - Faried
Lopez - Bamba (6) - Mahinmi

I like the concept, but don't think either Wash or Denver will be sufficiently motivated by the offer/savings to be interested.

I just remembered Melo has a NTC anyways, doubt he'd waive it to play for the Wizards. I feel like OKC would give Melo away for free? Maybe not. WASH likely wants more, especially considering they'd have to pay BP and Oubre next yeat, but would have Melo/Asik expiring. Heres another one for shiz n giggles:

CHI gets: Ryan Anderson, future 1st via HOU
OKC gets: Jerian Grant, PJ Tucker
HOU gets: Carmelo Anthony

Idk if 1 first is worth paying Anderson 40 mil...

[Lauri_Legend]

2 Trades for our "rebuild":

Trade #1:
CHI GETS: Otto Porter + Mahinmi
WASH GETS: Melo, Bobby Portis, & Asik
OKC GETS: Jerian Grant + Felicio + future 2 (via chi)

Wash saves a ton of money year 2. Melo/BP allow them to still compete in the East w Wall/Beal. OKC moves on from Melo, PG likely leaves, giving them an insane amount of money this summer. Bulls take back Mahinmis crud deal but add our future at the 3.

Trade #2:
CHI gets: #14 + Faried
DEN gets: #22 + Holiday
Bulls take on more money (expiring $13.7m deal) while moving up in the draft, and adding 4 depth since BP would be gone.

Dunn - (Lavine) - Payne
Lavine - Valentine - Kilpatrick
Otto P - Miles Bridges (14)
Lauri - Faried
Lopez - Bamba (6) - Mahinmi

Don't think it's realistic, but having Otto and Bridges on one team would be nice.

[MrSparkle]

Ingram is still kind of an awkward player to me. I wouldn’t pay Deng’s contract and #6 for him. But similarly I doubt LAL moves him for any less. But he’ll be good. I don’t necesarrily see our options at #6 being more or less exciting.

In today’s NBA, fact is it’s just a financial burden taking veterans over rookies. Let alone two. Ingram’s extention starts in 2 years; kind of hard to plan for a big splash when your mediocre core is on big deals (Ingram, Zach, Dunn, Portis- ugh) by the time Deng comes off the books.

Bad trade. Give me a bad contract (up to 2020) and picks while we wait out the storm.

I see a lot of proposals basically adding fringe stars to this team and expecting the core to dominate. Sounds like a Raptors/Hawks plan to me.

Just wait it out.

[sco]

Saw this: https://8points9seconds.com/2018/05/09/no-aaron-gordon-indiana-pacers/

At the end of season presser, President of Basketball Operations Kevin Pritchard mentioned something to the effect of wanting a stretch-four. “If you had a real shooting four, a real stretch-four to put out there with the same team, It’s a tough defend.”

Sounds like they feel bad fit between Turner and Sabonis.

Portis for Sabonis?

Portis, Valentine and 22 or Turner?

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Trade 1: Portis and 22 and maybe a future 2nd to Clippers for #13
Trade 2: #13 for Ingram and Deng.

[sco]

Trade 1: Portis and 22 and maybe a future 2nd to Clippers for #13
Trade 2: #13 for Ingram and Deng.

I would call that a win, but doubt that get trade 2 done.

[Chi town]

What's so special about Ingram? If he was that good the Lakers would not trade him even if they signed LeBron. Cleveland didn't ship Irving off. I'd rather keep our pick.

Former #2 pick, 6'9" ballhander who can just do about everything on the floor and not going to turn 21 until start of next season? He's also someone who made some significant improvement from year 1 to year 2, that just shows you his work ethic and coachability.

If Lakers wants to surge back to relevance this is their chance. If they clear out the $23mil from Deng and Ingram salary they can pretty much sign 3 max contracts along with retaining Ball, Randle, and Kuzma. Ingram becomes expandable because he's skills are duplicated by Lebron.

If Ingram is going to be as good as you think they are not using him as a chip to dump Deng. That would be a horrendously short-sighted move on their part. Either way this trade won't happening.

I dont' think the Lakers will keep Kuzma and Ingram together long term. If they get Lebron and PG one of them will be headed out and it will take Deng to make that happen.