Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

[FAH1223]

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If we lose on Friday and quickly kick Brooks out the door we could be first in line for Budzy.

I know it won’t happen. But a guy can dream, no?

[FAH1223]

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If we lose on Friday and quickly kick Brooks out the door we could be first in line for Budzy.

I know it won’t happen. But a guy can dream, no?

Spurs basketball!

[LyricalRico]

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If we lose on Friday and quickly kick Brooks out the door we could be first in line for Budzy.

I know it won’t happen. But a guy can dream, no?

I dunno, Budenholzer took Atlanta from 60 wins all the way down to the lottery. Now that may be more of a reflection of it being a mistake to give him personnel control, but still - I don't hold him in as high regard as I used to. (This isn't a defense of Brooks, by the way.)

[closg00]

Can someone give me a cheat sheet breakdown of what happened to Whiteside in Miami? I understand they want to dump him now

[I_Like_Dirt]

I dunno, Budenholzer took Atlanta from 60 wins all the way down to the lottery. Now that may be more of a reflection of it being a mistake to give him personnel control, but still - I don't hold him in as high regard as I used to.

Bud is an excellent coach. It's really rare to find a coach that works well as a GM in a dual-role capacity, and he's already admitted that he didn't give enough forethought to future seasons. It's pretty clear what happened there. He's going to really help whichever team hires him provided they keep him out of the GM role. And a part of me wonders if he hasn't learned his lesson - he seems a bit more flexible than the average coach in terms of ability to learn and adapt, but I wouldn't bet a franchise's future on it.

[Ruzious]

Can someone give me a cheat sheet breakdown of what happened to Whiteside in Miami? I understand they want to dump him now

Well, my view is they added 2 bigs in Olynyk and Bam, and today's NBA has gone away from using 2 bigs. It's gone to stretch 4's and 5's. Olynyk's a great fit - as a stretch 5. And Bam played 20 minutes a game. The spacing is bad playing Bam and Whiteside together, and they're slow playing KO and Whiteside together. And none of those guys wants to chase around a stretch 4 or 5. The game changes have contributed to his blocks decreasing. And he has less room to roam around inside. He's just become a smaller part of what they want to do. He also doesn't appear to move around with as much spring in his step. Because of the games change to 3 point shooting and transition baskets and his contract and immaturity, he's not a real attractive trade piece.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Can someone give me a cheat sheet breakdown of what happened to Whiteside in Miami? I understand they want to dump him now

Same type of thing that happened to Noel when he was traded to Dallas. Old-school Cs who's game doesn't reach too far outside the paint aren't actually as valuable anymore and are having a tough time being a positive impact on the floor. As coaches notice that, they wind up playing those kinds of players less and the guys who tended not to deal with adversity particularly well have begun to self-destruct a bit. Whiteside is still a good player, but he's a player who thinks he's better than he is and should be treated accordingly, seems to get down when things don't go his way, and realistically is a situational player in the modern NBA. Teams are realizing that massive contracts to that kind of player simply aren't worth it when they can find cheaper shotblockers to play ~20 mpg elsewhere and with the shift to more organized offenses and defenses and the need to be able to switch from interior to perimeter and back on both ends is really driving the value down of a lot of the Cs out there. With Bam for much cheaper already, they have no need for Whiteside.

[closg00]

Thanks, we did the same with Mahinimi

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So Mario gets fired, but Luigi keeps his job. That's a good one.

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Aron Baynes is a more valuable player than whiteside. Let that sink in.

On another note, there's no reason why Gortat never developed an outside game. I'm seeing Baynes and Valaciunas hit threes in playoff games, but Gortat can't make an open 18 footer. Unacceptable.

[FAH1223]

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So Mario gets fired, but Luigi keeps his job. That's a good one.

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[trast66]

Aron Baynes is a more valuable player than whiteside. Let that sink in.

On another note, there's no reason why Gortat never developed an outside game. I'm seeing Baynes and Valaciunas hit threes in playoff games, but Gortat can't make an open 18 footer. Unacceptable.

So true, Marcin should keep his mouth shut on Otto and Kelly lifting weights until he adds some shooting. It’s not like Marcin is the Incredible Hulk either, provides little rim protection and poor finisher for his size.

[trast66]

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SVG was a disaster for Pistons. Go look at their transactions on basketball reference since he took over. I don’t say this lightly, but EG was no worse or perhaps better.

[closg00]

Griffin was coming off an injury and joined late in the season, I wouldn’t be surprised to see DET do much better next year...,still SVG has crashed and burned multiple times.

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SVG was a disaster for Pistons. Go look at their transactions on basketball reference since he took over. I don’t say this lightly, but EG was no worse or perhaps better.

Yup. It's always bad to have a coach be the GM. It's a conflict of interest between short term and long term goals. Also, there isn't enough time in the day to do both jobs well.

[nate33]

Griffin was coming off an injury and joined late in the season, I wouldn’t be surprised to see DET do much better next year...,still SVG has crashed and burned multiple times.

Not seeing it. Griffin is highly dependent on his athleticism and those injuries are wearing him down. He peaked while still on his rookie contract. He no longer rebounds well and he doesn't score at the rim nearly as much as he used to. He's trying to compensate by developing a 3-point shot, but it's not enough.

His numbers this year are almost identical to Carmelo Anthony's from 3 seasons ago when he led the Knicks to 50 losses.

[closg00]

Griffin was coming off an injury and joined late in the season, I wouldn’t be surprised to see DET do much better next year...,still SVG has crashed and burned multiple times.

Not seeing it. Griffin is highly dependent on his athleticism and those injuries are wearing him down. He peaked while still on his rookie contract. He no longer rebounds well and he doesn't score at the rim nearly as much as he used to. He's trying to compensate by developing a 3-point shot, but it's not enough.

His numbers this year are almost identical to Carmelo Anthony's from 3 seasons ago when he led the Knicks to 50 losses.

Haha, it was probably the younger healthier Griffin I was remembering.

[Kanyewest]

Griffin was coming off an injury and joined late in the season, I wouldn’t be surprised to see DET do much better next year...,still SVG has crashed and burned multiple times.

Not seeing it. Griffin is highly dependent on his athleticism and those injuries are wearing him down. He peaked while still on his rookie contract. He no longer rebounds well and he doesn't score at the rim nearly as much as he used to. He's trying to compensate by developing a 3-point shot, but it's not enough.

His numbers this year are almost identical to Carmelo Anthony's from 3 seasons ago when he led the Knicks to 50 losses.

While I generally agree with most of the post, I believe playing with Andre Drummond might have a little to do with it. Although he did play with DeAndre Jordan too.