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2018 NBA Draft Thread

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Who do you think will be the #1 overall pick?

Deandre Ayton
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32%
Luka Doncic
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40%
Mohamed Bamba
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2%
Marvin Bagley III
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13%
Michael Porter Jr
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11%
Other
4
2%
 
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#941 » by M-C-G » Mon May 7, 2018 5:05 pm

Here is thesteipen break down, in my mind this is the kind of guy we really need, good shooter, off the dribble ability, high IQ, that's the kind of thing I am looking for.


STRENGTHS
Solid height and length for a combo-guard, which should help compensate some for lack of strength.
One of the best shooters in the class. Smooth, one motion quick release with a slight hip turn with good alignment. Really catches ready to shoot.
Has tremendous shot diversity in being able to shoot off the dribble (including contested step-backs) or the catch off movement going both left and right. Footwork is advanced usually catching off the 1-2 or the hop. Can quickly square up off flare actions and floppy sets.
Really knows how to move without the ball in Wichita’s motion offense. Cuts well off passing bigs and knows how to read screens and his defender off-ball (curling on down screens, cutting backdoor on overplays). Consistently relocates off ball bettering passing angles.
Plays with good pace in pick-and-roll utilizing hesitation dribbles to allow his big time to dive. Already shows comfort keeping his man in jail.
Can make most of the passes in pick-and-roll via simple reads passing over the top with his size, one-handed pocket passes and accurate entry looks. Also has solid drive-and-kick vision with wrap-around pass ability.
Reliable decision-maker who excels making the simple play and possesses good timing instincts as a passer. Has good touch on passes and can execute one-handed passes.
Not an advanced ball-handler in terms of moves outside of basic crossovers and in-and-out dribbles, but can handle ball-pressure reasonably well at the college level.
Lacks pop off one foot around the rim but has respectable burst with longer strides and some up-and-under craft ability on finishes. Better finisher off cuts where he can elevate quickly off two feet in bigger spaces.
Very underrated quickness on defense. Plays light on his feet moving laterally and reacts quickly to situations such as back cuts.
Fairly advanced technique and sound IQ defensively. Aggressively denies one pass away and closes out under control with choppy steps. Smartly digs down for steals/deflections and knows when he can help.
Lacks strength but shows the footwork to get over the top of picks and has the length to be a nuisance applying backpressure.
Reliable team defender. Gets to the level of the ball seeing ball and man for the most part and sinks down on the weak side. Consistently tags the roll man and recovers. Head is usually on a swivel.
Will mix it up inside on switches and attempt to box out bigs.



WEAKNESSES
Narrow build limits his ability to finish through contact around the rim and absorb bumps defensively defending in space.
Not a volume-driver lacking the ability to blow by defenders routinely and rarely gets into the teeth of the defense in a self-creation setting on-ball. Profiles more as a combo-guard in a motion scheme than as a primary ball-handler.
Struggles to carve out space on drives with his frame in self-creation settings and lacks the shiftiness and advanced handle to create space consistently in isolation off the bounce.
Has a lower release (helped by the quickness of the process) and shoots some tightrope flat attempts from 3-point range. NBA teams will want to see him knock down shots proficiently from NBA range in private workouts.
Plays light on his feet defensively but lacks twitch and struggles to absorb contact navigating screens without getting knocked off his spots. Lacks the strength to stay on a guard’s hip and really impact the play in that fashion.
Combination of a frailer build and lack of imposing size limit his defensive impact and versatility if he plays predominantly on the wing at the next level in contest and contain situations.
Can sometimes be a bit jumpy contesting shots on the perimeter biting on fakes.




BOTTOM LINE
After experiencing a right foot fracture in his freshman season, Shamet has recovered nicely and is back on draft radar at the end of the first round. Shamet has the one dynamic skill that every team covets, shooting, and he can do so dynamically and in a diverse amount of ways. Shamet isn’t just a shooter, however. He’s an intelligent player on both sides of the floor and can bring some playmaking in secondary fashion. Shamet’s defensive upside is capped due to his size and lack of strength, but he can compensate some with quick feet and by knowing where to be. Overall, Shamet could be an iteration of Seth Curry, Derrick White or Patty Mills (with less on-ball dynamism) as a pro, and his ability to shoot off motion and play within a team construct could really help a team with that kind of scheme who desperately needs shooting like the LA Lakers. He had a rough end to his season against Marshall, but that game shouldn’t overshadow his positive body of work and projectable game to the NBA level.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#942 » by tski1972 » Mon May 7, 2018 5:07 pm

I'm high on Shamet, don't know if 17 is the right spot though.
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Post#943 » by jmuelly » Mon May 7, 2018 5:14 pm

tski1972 wrote:I'm high on Shamet, don't know if 17 is the right spot though.


draftnet has a comp for him as Vazquez... I almost choked on my lunch. Then I looked at the likes of DJ Wilson, Rashad Vaughn and realized it remains an upgrade.
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Post#944 » by emunney » Mon May 7, 2018 5:16 pm

He couldn't be less like Vasquez.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#945 » by jmuelly » Mon May 7, 2018 5:27 pm

emunney wrote:He couldn't be less like Vasquez.


Only putting what I seen on draftnet. They list Valentin/Vazquez as a comp.

I didn't follow college ball closely this year so I can't quite say for myself.
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Post#946 » by LuessiT » Mon May 7, 2018 5:37 pm

jmuelly wrote:
emunney wrote:He couldn't be less like Vasquez.


Only putting what I seen on draftnet. They list Valentin/Vazquez as a comp.

I didn't follow college ball closely this year so I can't quite say for myself.


Valentine? God that might be even worse...
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#947 » by Ron Swanson » Mon May 7, 2018 6:16 pm

Shamet reminds me of Shelvin Mack with more range. Would love him in the 2nd, but no way I take him at #17.
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Post#948 » by Ill-yasova » Mon May 7, 2018 7:24 pm

I’m intrigued by Musa for sure. I know about all of the cons with him: average athlete, might not be able to bulk up, wingspan = height...etc

But I really enjoy the pros: GETS. BUCKETS.

Seriously though, he seems like a good leader and his all around game is pretty developed.
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Post#949 » by LuessiT » Mon May 7, 2018 9:04 pm

Okay so Shamet:

He's a 6'4 combo-guard with a 6'11 wingspan, subpar strength, a quick but not explosive first step, above average handles, great shooting mechanics.

Defensively he's overrated imo. He's got a high IQ, moves decently well with his feet.
He still has massive issues when he gets overpowered by bigger and stronger players, something that will happen much more in the NBA. He's got a narrow frame that won't pack a lot of muscle so I doubt his build is going to change much (but if it does there could be some unexpected upside).
He has big issues navigating through screens. He can't really absorb the contact and struggles avoiding them. There are going to be many more phyiscal screens in the NBA than in college, so that part is going to be worse. Right now he'll be killed in PnRs which is why I don't see him having imediate impact as a PG.
He also struggles to keep up with players with an explosive first step. He isn't a quick-twitch athelte, but with his build, technique and footwork he should do better and I expect him to do better.
He's best used as a team defender that knows when to help. Has quick hands, but won't get too many steals or deflections. Doesn't really anticipate plays. Fronts bigger players on switches.

Offensively he's got above average handles (but not yet on the level of NBA PGs) that will allow him to bring up the ball versus pressure. He's got a nice burst and combined with his handles can beat a man off the dribble in college. When he reaches the rim, he's using craftieness to finish. Doesn't like contact and isn't all too great vertically. Doesn't get to the line too often either. Wether he will be good enough to pass by and finish versus NBA athletes is yet to be seen. I have my doubts.
I like him much more as a shooter off the dribble. He's got very good mechanics, good footwork on the stepback and a one motion quick release. His release point is a bit low and his arc is slightly flat, but I don't have doubts that he's going to get his shot off.
Off ball he moves well, always ready to catch and shoot. Quick trigger there also. Haven't seen him attack closeouts all that much. He's using jab stepts though to create space to rise and fire.
He's also a very clean passer. Makes easy reads, finds the open man, low TOs. Won't wow you with his passes. Can hit the roll man in PnR's but doesn't use all the angles. Very unselfish but doesn't have elite vision or feel.

Don't think he's a true PG or SG. Could go either way. Solidifying his skillset to serve one of those two roles would be his best bet to be a starter. He also needs to improve his body massively as that is another road to upside. Could do well as a secondary/tertiary ball handler (e.g. on the 76ers next to Simmons).

Imo his game vs. Cincinnati tells you a lot about him:



Edit: I have a hard time rating him above Elie Okobo. Pretty similar in some aspects but Okobo just has less question marks.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#950 » by GimmeDat » Tue May 8, 2018 6:46 am

Just dropping by to see the discussion. Shamet is a great fit. I don't know what you feel your needs are but he makes a lot of sense in a similar role to Brogdon as a guy that can play the guard spots and fit off-ball and on. Would say it's a bit of a reach at #17 though.

Need wise I think C or wing make more sense for you guys. Robinson/Jontay should be available. Brown/Walker/Musa probably the best wing options in your range. Not sure you can afford to take a guy that shot sub 30% on 3's (Brown) so the latter 2 more likely.

I'd recommend all of those guys over Shamet, at #17.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#951 » by Badgerlander » Tue May 8, 2018 7:00 am

Its painfully obvious that our biggest need is a ball handling guard that can break down a defense and shoot 3s off the dribble, but regardless always draft bpa
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Post#952 » by Fotis St » Tue May 8, 2018 9:02 am

Really impressed with Khyri Thomas.

He has a very nice frame for a guard ... 6'3 210 lbs his shoulders indicate he has room to grow become even stronger ... offensively he plays smart, he uses both his hands to finish at the rim and he can hit the 3 at catch n shoot ... his handles are average ... but I like his agression...

On D when he switches on big he shows that he can hold his ground like Delly does... I like him, he doesn't drop jaws but he looks like a nice role player with potential due to his athleticism...
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Post#953 » by drone3 » Tue May 8, 2018 9:05 am

Fotis St wrote:Really impressed with Khyri Thomas.

He has a very nice frame for a guard ... 6'3 210 lbs his shoulders indicate he has room to grow become even stronger ... offensively he plays smart, he uses both his hands to finish at the rim and he can hit the 3 at catch n shoot ... his handles are average ... but I like his agression...

On D when he switches on big he showes that he can hold his ground like Delly does... I like him, he doesn't drop jaws but he looks like a nice role players with potential due to his athleticism...
I'm all in on Khyri Thomas, great prospect!
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Post#954 » by TroyD92 » Tue May 8, 2018 9:28 am

Mitchell Robinson looks like he could be an interesting pick, no?
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Post#955 » by drone3 » Tue May 8, 2018 9:57 am

Mitchell could be the next AD, I doubt he's available at our slot.
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Post#956 » by drone3 » Tue May 8, 2018 9:58 am

Anfernee Simons looking better than Fultz!
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Post#957 » by M-C-G » Tue May 8, 2018 12:05 pm

drone3 wrote:Mitchell could be the next AD, I doubt he's available at our slot.


Are we talking about the mystery guy that didn’t play college ball? If so I think he is closer to Robert Upshaw than AD. Despite his tools Western Kentucky was were he was going to go to school while AD was probably the biggest recruit in the last decade


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Post#958 » by Ron Swanson » Tue May 8, 2018 1:23 pm

Zero percent chance he's the next AD. I'll settle for the next Clint Capela.
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Post#959 » by ReasonablySober » Tue May 8, 2018 1:33 pm

Badgerlander wrote:Its painfully obvious that our biggest need is a ball handling guard that can break down a defense and shoot 3s off the dribble, but regardless always draft bpa


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Post#960 » by machu46 » Tue May 8, 2018 1:52 pm

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drone3 wrote:Mitchell could be the next AD, I doubt he's available at our slot.


Are we talking about the mystery guy that didn’t play college ball? If so I think he is closer to Robert Upshaw than AD. Despite his tools Western Kentucky was were he was going to go to school while AD was probably the biggest recruit in the last decade


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This is kind disingenuous if you followed his recruiting at all. He was one of the highest ranked recruits in his class and likely would have had his choice of pretty much any school he wanted but he committed to Texas A&M (which is nothing to scoff at) early on and then followed their coach to Western Kentucky (almost certainly being paid to do so).

Having said that I don't see him getting anywhere near AD as an NBA player lol; just saying that the idea that he can't be good because he had agreed to go to Western Kentucky is kinda missing the point.
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