Draft Thread 4.0: The ping-pong balls await (We failed to tank properly once again)

[Patrick1978]

Hey all, long time lurker of this forum but this is my first post. I’ll start by saying I’m a huge Trae young fan I feel that superstar it factor every time I watch him play. Elite shooter with advanced handling and craftiness that also has elite vision. That’s the kind of player you ignore the defensive weaknesses and build the rest of your team around him to make up for. My ideal draft would be to somehow land young and Bamba or Jackson. The only way that happens is if we win the lottery and find a trade partner like Phoenix that could ship some young talent to a 3rd team to acquire another pick. That could make a potential starting 5 of
Young
Iwundu/Hezonja
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

Maybe a more likely scenario would be grabbing Bamba/Jackson with the 5 or 6 and try our best to move vuc/Fournier for a pick that could land us SGA or Lonnie walker in the late lotto
SGA
Hezonja/iwundu
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

I like the Trae young version better as it gives us that long awaited go to scorer surrounded by 3 and d athletes and Gordon as a secondary creator, but this second version gives us a positionless athletic lineup that could be the future of the league. Lots of great talent in this draft but I hope we target the 1 and 5 spots and try our hardest to keep Hezonja. It’s been a long hard rebuild but I have faith this front office will finally start to shape this team into something more coherent starting with this draft



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Welcome my friend.
Great post,i like your two versions.
I too have faith in the FO that they will start to build the team in their way

HAIDE MAGIC

[IllMagic04]

Hey all, long time lurker of this forum but this is my first post. I’ll start by saying I’m a huge Trae young fan I feel that superstar it factor every time I watch him play. Elite shooter with advanced handling and craftiness that also has elite vision. That’s the kind of player you ignore the defensive weaknesses and build the rest of your team around him to make up for. My ideal draft would be to somehow land young and Bamba or Jackson. The only way that happens is if we win the lottery and find a trade partner like Phoenix that could ship some young talent to a 3rd team to acquire another pick. That could make a potential starting 5 of
Young
Iwundu/Hezonja
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

Maybe a more likely scenario would be grabbing Bamba/Jackson with the 5 or 6 and try our best to move vuc/Fournier for a pick that could land us SGA or Lonnie walker in the late lotto
SGA
Hezonja/iwundu
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

I like the Trae young version better as it gives us that long awaited go to scorer surrounded by 3 and d athletes and Gordon as a secondary creator, but this second version gives us a positionless athletic lineup that could be the future of the league. Lots of great talent in this draft but I hope we target the 1 and 5 spots and try our hardest to keep Hezonja. It’s been a long hard rebuild but I have faith this front office will finally start to shape this team into something more coherent starting with this draft



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Welcome aboard. Im also on the Trae Young train. However we dont have assets to get another pick to high enough for Bamba and Young. If the lottery goes as I think it might Bamba and Young will be on the board so we will have to choose. I would go Young but I think we go Bamba.

[yoyojw17]

Hey all, long time lurker of this forum but this is my first post. I’ll start by saying I’m a huge Trae young fan I feel that superstar it factor every time I watch him play. Elite shooter with advanced handling and craftiness that also has elite vision. That’s the kind of player you ignore the defensive weaknesses and build the rest of your team around him to make up for. My ideal draft would be to somehow land young and Bamba or Jackson. The only way that happens is if we win the lottery and find a trade partner like Phoenix that could ship some young talent to a 3rd team to acquire another pick. That could make a potential starting 5 of
Young
Iwundu/Hezonja
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

Maybe a more likely scenario would be grabbing Bamba/Jackson with the 5 or 6 and try our best to move vuc/Fournier for a pick that could land us SGA or Lonnie walker in the late lotto
SGA
Hezonja/iwundu
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

I like the Trae young version better as it gives us that long awaited go to scorer surrounded by 3 and d athletes and Gordon as a secondary creator, but this second version gives us a positionless athletic lineup that could be the future of the league. Lots of great talent in this draft but I hope we target the 1 and 5 spots and try our hardest to keep Hezonja. It’s been a long hard rebuild but I have faith this front office will finally start to shape this team into something more coherent starting with this draft



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Welcome aboard. Im also on the Trae Young train. However we dont have assets to get another pick to high enough for Bamba and Young. If the lottery goes as I think it might Bamba and Young will be on the board so we will have to choose. I would go Young but I think we go Bamba.

It's gonna be hard to make such a decision for me as both can truly elevate this team in different ways. If Trae's scoring and play making all translate to the the NBA at a high level he can totally change the franchise as we all hope that he is a shot in the arm for every player on our team.... from AG, to Isaac.... to even Biz. Surrounded by NBA talent he might put more effort on the defensive side as well. Have to see how he does in workouts.

Bamba.... along with Isaac and Gordon would possibly be the best defensive front court in a year or two. The switchability, length and athleticism would be a nightmare for many teams as the paint will no longer be a place that high percentage shots will come that easy.

If we got young... i would be fine rolling with our current team and inputting him at the pg position with minimal changes to the team. If we got bamba.... i would definitely look to get another pick and try and solidify our scoring and playmaking from the point guard position. With Anfernee Simons probably being the main target. Big unknown with the lack of a college season.... but he's got a lot of potential from what i have seen of him.

[gde684]

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Welcome aboard. Im also on the Trae Young train. However we dont have assets to get another pick to high enough for Bamba and Young. If the lottery goes as I think it might Bamba and Young will be on the board so we will have to choose. I would go Young but I think we go Bamba.[/quote]

I agree right now we could maybe get a late lotto with our expendable assets but if we win the first pick then they could pull it off. Many would say to just run away with Ayton or Doncic and I wouldn’t be mad at that but I think there is some serious value in those 4-8 picks. Unlikely scenario but that would be my ideal draft.

If I have to just choose 1 guy in the 5 or 6 range it’s young. His upside is too high for me to pass and I think his floor is way higher than most. I know the curry comps offend people but it’s there for a reason. He looks like a Nash curry hybrid and I think that’s what he will be and it’s going to be awesome to watch. I love all the bigs at the top I don’t think you can go wrong with any of Ayton bagley Jackson or Bamba. Carter could end up as a horford type guy too so I’m all about getting that second pick and adding talent. This draft is loaded.

Big board
Young
Ayton
Doncic
Bagley
Bamba
Jackson
Mikal Bridges
SGA
Walker
Carter

If there is 1 guy I don’t want it’s porter I’m just terrified of that injury and I think he could be a bit of a stiff anyway doesn’t seem to have much fluidity to his game



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Welcome aboard. Im also on the Trae Young train. However we dont have assets to get another pick to high enough for Bamba and Young. If the lottery goes as I think it might Bamba and Young will be on the board so we will have to choose. I would go Young but I think we go Bamba.

I agree right now we could maybe get a late lotto with our expendable assets but if we win the first pick then they could pull it off. Many would say to just run away with Ayton or Doncic and I wouldn’t be mad at that but I think there is some serious value in those 4-8 picks. Unlikely scenario but that would be my ideal draft.

If I have to just choose 1 guy in the 5 or 6 range it’s young. His upside is too high for me to pass and I think his floor is way higher than most. I know the curry comps offend people but it’s there for a reason. He looks like a Nash curry hybrid and I think that’s what he will be and it’s going to be awesome to watch. I love all the bigs at the top I don’t think you can go wrong with any of Ayton bagley Jackson or Bamba. Carter could end up as a horford type guy too so I’m all about getting that second pick and adding talent. This draft is loaded.

Big board
Young
Ayton
Doncic
Bagley
Bamba
Jackson
Mikal Bridges
SGA
Walker
Carter

If there is 1 guy I don’t want it’s porter I’m just terrified of that injury and I think he could be a bit of a stiff anyway doesn’t seem to have much fluidity to his game



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Who in this draft do you think he has a higher floor than?

[gde684]

That’s tough but I’d say the guys with higher floors are probably Ayton and bagley and I want to say Doncic but I think they have pretty similar floors as crafty offensive creators with bad defense. I can’t see young being worse in his prime than Isaiah Thomas from a couple years ago on the Celtics and that would be for a prolonged period of time not just 1 season. That’s a pretty high floor. I think the only way he fails is if he turns out to be some kind of head case but we don’t have any evidence of that


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[PrimeThyme]

Hey all, long time lurker of this forum but this is my first post. I’ll start by saying I’m a huge Trae young fan I feel that superstar it factor every time I watch him play. Elite shooter with advanced handling and craftiness that also has elite vision. That’s the kind of player you ignore the defensive weaknesses and build the rest of your team around him to make up for. My ideal draft would be to somehow land young and Bamba or Jackson. The only way that happens is if we win the lottery and find a trade partner like Phoenix that could ship some young talent to a 3rd team to acquire another pick. That could make a potential starting 5 of
Young
Iwundu/Hezonja
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

Maybe a more likely scenario would be grabbing Bamba/Jackson with the 5 or 6 and try our best to move vuc/Fournier for a pick that could land us SGA or Lonnie walker in the late lotto
SGA
Hezonja/iwundu
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

I like the Trae young version better as it gives us that long awaited go to scorer surrounded by 3 and d athletes and Gordon as a secondary creator, but this second version gives us a positionless athletic lineup that could be the future of the league. Lots of great talent in this draft but I hope we target the 1 and 5 spots and try our hardest to keep Hezonja. It’s been a long hard rebuild but I have faith this front office will finally start to shape this team into something more coherent starting with this draft



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Welcome. I always see people bring it up every year that we should trade for another pick inside the top 7-8 range but how often do teams in that range actually trade their pick? Unless its for an established star or the team is moving back just a couple spots its extremely rare that a trade like that actually happens. We just don't have the assets to be able to pull off a trade for another top 8-10 pick.

[tiderulz]

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Welcome aboard. Im also on the Trae Young train. However we dont have assets to get another pick to high enough for Bamba and Young. If the lottery goes as I think it might Bamba and Young will be on the board so we will have to choose. I would go Young but I think we go Bamba.

I agree right now we could maybe get a late lotto with our expendable assets but if we win the first pick then they could pull it off. Many would say to just run away with Ayton or Doncic and I wouldn’t be mad at that but I think there is some serious value in those 4-8 picks. Unlikely scenario but that would be my ideal draft.

If I have to just choose 1 guy in the 5 or 6 range it’s young. His upside is too high for me to pass and I think his floor is way higher than most. I know the curry comps offend people but it’s there for a reason. He looks like a Nash curry hybrid and I think that’s what he will be and it’s going to be awesome to watch. I love all the bigs at the top I don’t think you can go wrong with any of Ayton bagley Jackson or Bamba. Carter could end up as a horford type guy too so I’m all about getting that second pick and adding talent. This draft is loaded.

Big board
Young
Ayton
Doncic
Bagley
Bamba
Jackson
Mikal Bridges
SGA
Walker
Carter

If there is 1 guy I don’t want it’s porter I’m just terrified of that injury and I think he could be a bit of a stiff anyway doesn’t seem to have much fluidity to his game



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Who in this draft do you think he has a higher floor than?

highest floor to me is Bridges

[MagicFan101]

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Welcome aboard. Im also on the Trae Young train. However we dont have assets to get another pick to high enough for Bamba and Young. If the lottery goes as I think it might Bamba and Young will be on the board so we will have to choose. I would go Young but I think we go Bamba.

I agree right now we could maybe get a late lotto with our expendable assets but if we win the first pick then they could pull it off. Many would say to just run away with Ayton or Doncic and I wouldn’t be mad at that but I think there is some serious value in those 4-8 picks. Unlikely scenario but that would be my ideal draft.

If I have to just choose 1 guy in the 5 or 6 range it’s young. His upside is too high for me to pass and I think his floor is way higher than most. I know the curry comps offend people but it’s there for a reason. He looks like a Nash curry hybrid and I think that’s what he will be and it’s going to be awesome to watch. I love all the bigs at the top I don’t think you can go wrong with any of Ayton bagley Jackson or Bamba. Carter could end up as a horford type guy too so I’m all about getting that second pick and adding talent. This draft is loaded.

Big board
Young
Ayton
Doncic
Bagley
Bamba
Jackson
Mikal Bridges
SGA
Walker
Carter

If there is 1 guy I don’t want it’s porter I’m just terrified of that injury and I think he could be a bit of a stiff anyway doesn’t seem to have much fluidity to his game



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Who in this draft do you think he has a higher floor than?

highest floor to me is Bridges

Yes, Bridges has the highest floor IMO as well.

[gde684]

That was under the specific scenario that we land the top spot and one or more teams fall in love with Ayton or Doncic. Say we get 1 and Phoenix gets 3 would they hypothetically trade Jackson off to a team in the mid lotto that sends their pick to us? I know it’s not likely I meant that as a dream draft. It’s easy to say just get another pick but I know it doesn’t work like that


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[tiderulz]

That was under the specific scenario that we land the top spot and one or more teams fall in love with Ayton or Doncic. Say we get 1 and Phoenix gets 3 would they hypothetically trade Jackson off to a team in the mid lotto that sends their pick to us? I know it’s not likely I meant that as a dream draft. It’s easy to say just get another pick but I know it doesn’t work like that


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Cant see PHX doing that. Jackson finally hit his stride at the end of the year. final 2 months of the season he was about 17ppg/6 rpg. they arent trading him away after 1 year. I see them calling a bluff, they know we wont take Ayton. And there are other big men they could take.

[gde684]

That was under the specific scenario that we land the top spot and one or more teams fall in love with Ayton or Doncic. Say we get 1 and Phoenix gets 3 would they hypothetically trade Jackson off to a team in the mid lotto that sends their pick to us? I know it’s not likely I meant that as a dream draft. It’s easy to say just get another pick but I know it doesn’t work like that


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Cant see PHX doing that. Jackson finally hit his stride at the end of the year. final 2 months of the season he was about 17ppg/6 rpg. they arent trading him away after 1 year. I see them calling a bluff, they know we wont take Ayton. And there are other big men they could take.

Fair enough stance and really just a pointless debate until we know the draft order anyway. Maybe a more realistic discussion would be acquiring a pick in the 12-16 range to try and get one of the guards in that group. Quite a few interesting prospects SGA and Lonnie walker being my favorites. The clippers are sitting at 12 and 13. Washington at 15 and Phoenix at 16 could be options as well


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[NotACat]

That was under the specific scenario that we land the top spot and one or more teams fall in love with Ayton or Doncic. Say we get 1 and Phoenix gets 3 would they hypothetically trade Jackson off to a team in the mid lotto that sends their pick to us? I know it’s not likely I meant that as a dream draft. It’s easy to say just get another pick but I know it doesn’t work like that


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Cant see PHX doing that. Jackson finally hit his stride at the end of the year. final 2 months of the season he was about 17ppg/6 rpg. they arent trading him away after 1 year. I see them calling a bluff, they know we wont take Ayton. And there are other big men they could take.

Fair enough stance and really just a pointless debate until we know the draft order anyway. Maybe a more realistic discussion would be acquiring a pick in the 12-16 range to try and get one of the guards in that group. Quite a few interesting prospects SGA and Lonnie walker being my favorites. The clippers are sitting at 12 and 13. Washington at 15 and Phoenix at 16 could be options as well


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Don't forget Milwaukee at 17.

I also think Trae and Doncic are the only prospects in the draft that we won't see for a while, just like Isaac was last year. I think we can get players similar to Ayton, Bagley, and JJJ in future years, though I'm still high on JJJ. I think Bamba is going to be more of a weakness than a strength on any team that drafts him.

[NotACat]

That was under the specific scenario that we land the top spot and one or more teams fall in love with Ayton or Doncic. Say we get 1 and Phoenix gets 3 would they hypothetically trade Jackson off to a team in the mid lotto that sends their pick to us? I know it’s not likely I meant that as a dream draft. It’s easy to say just get another pick but I know it doesn’t work like that


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Cant see PHX doing that. Jackson finally hit his stride at the end of the year. final 2 months of the season he was about 17ppg/6 rpg. they arent trading him away after 1 year. I see them calling a bluff, they know we wont take Ayton. And there are other big men they could take.

Fair enough stance and really just a pointless debate until we know the draft order anyway. Maybe a more realistic discussion would be acquiring a pick in the 12-16 range to try and get one of the guards in that group. Quite a few interesting prospects SGA and Lonnie walker being my favorites. The clippers are sitting at 12 and 13. Washington at 15 and Phoenix at 16 could be options as well


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16 + pick swap + Bender and a future first with decreasing protections (top 14 -> top 10 -> top 5 -> unprotected)?

[cedric76]

Hey all, long time lurker of this forum but this is my first post. I’ll start by saying I’m a huge Trae young fan I feel that superstar it factor every time I watch him play. Elite shooter with advanced handling and craftiness that also has elite vision. That’s the kind of player you ignore the defensive weaknesses and build the rest of your team around him to make up for. My ideal draft would be to somehow land young and Bamba or Jackson. The only way that happens is if we win the lottery and find a trade partner like Phoenix that could ship some young talent to a 3rd team to acquire another pick. That could make a potential starting 5 of
Young
Iwundu/Hezonja
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

Maybe a more likely scenario would be grabbing Bamba/Jackson with the 5 or 6 and try our best to move vuc/Fournier for a pick that could land us SGA or Lonnie walker in the late lotto
SGA
Hezonja/iwundu
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

I like the Trae young version better as it gives us that long awaited go to scorer surrounded by 3 and d athletes and Gordon as a secondary creator, but this second version gives us a positionless athlet
ic lineup that could be the future of the league. Lots of great talent in this draft but I hope we target the 1 and 5 spots and try our hardest to keep Hezonja. It’s been a long hard rebuild but I have faith this front office will finally start to shape this team into something more coherent starting with this draft



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Mario is gone

[Bob8]

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Welcome aboard. Im also on the Trae Young train. However we dont have assets to get another pick to high enough for Bamba and Young. If the lottery goes as I think it might Bamba and Young will be on the board so we will have to choose. I would go Young but I think we go Bamba.

I agree right now we could maybe get a late lotto with our expendable assets but if we win the first pick then they could pull it off. Many would say to just run away with Ayton or Doncic and I wouldn’t be mad at that but I think there is some serious value in those 4-8 picks. Unlikely scenario but that would be my ideal draft.

If I have to just choose 1 guy in the 5 or 6 range it’s young. His upside is too high for me to pass and I think his floor is way higher than most. I know the curry comps offend people but it’s there for a reason. He looks like a Nash curry hybrid and I think that’s what he will be and it’s going to be awesome to watch. I love all the bigs at the top I don’t think you can go wrong with any of Ayton bagley Jackson or Bamba. Carter could end up as a horford type guy too so I’m all about getting that second pick and adding talent. This draft is loaded.

Big board
Young
Ayton
Doncic
Bagley
Bamba
Jackson
Mikal Bridges
SGA
Walker
Carter

If there is 1 guy I don’t want it’s porter I’m just terrified of that injury and I think he could be a bit of a stiff anyway doesn’t seem to have much fluidity to his game



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I like Young. But it’s more or less impossible for anyone to take Young over Doncic. All question marks about Doncic’s game become irrelevant when you compare Doncic to Young. Doncic is not the most athletic? Probably, but his athleticism for 6’8”, 230 guy is still very solid, I’m not sure we can say that for 6’2” Young. Doncic is not a Pg, because he cannot guard Nba Pgs? Probably he can’t, but Young can’t guard them ither. The difference is that 6’8”, 230 guy can guard wings and do other things positive for team defense and is very good rebounder. Where will you hide 6’2” guy? Doncic will be + team defender, Young won’t. I believe Doncic is better pick&roll player, so it remains only shooting for Young. Is Young better shooter? Yes, he’s. But even there can be some problems for Young. Who will easier get off shots in Nba? 6’2” guy with very low release or 6’8” guy? Comparison to Curry might be nice, but Curry is such an anomaly in Nba, it will be very difficult for Young to repeat the story and Curry looks much bigger than Young.

[ralphie9898]

Hey all, long time lurker of this forum but this is my first post. I’ll start by saying I’m a huge Trae young fan I feel that superstar it factor every time I watch him play. Elite shooter with advanced handling and craftiness that also has elite vision. That’s the kind of player you ignore the defensive weaknesses and build the rest of your team around him to make up for. My ideal draft would be to somehow land young and Bamba or Jackson. The only way that happens is if we win the lottery and find a trade partner like Phoenix that could ship some young talent to a 3rd team to acquire another pick. That could make a potential starting 5 of
Young
Iwundu/Hezonja
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

Maybe a more likely scenario would be grabbing Bamba/Jackson with the 5 or 6 and try our best to move vuc/Fournier for a pick that could land us SGA or Lonnie walker in the late lotto
SGA
Hezonja/iwundu
Isaac
Gordon
Bamba

I like the Trae young version better as it gives us that long awaited go to scorer surrounded by 3 and d athletes and Gordon as a secondary creator, but this second version gives us a positionless athletic lineup that could be the future of the league. Lots of great talent in this draft but I hope we target the 1 and 5 spots and try our hardest to keep Hezonja. It’s been a long hard rebuild but I have faith this front office will finally start to shape this team into something more coherent starting with this draft



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Welcome. I always see people bring it up every year that we should trade for another pick inside the top 7-8 range but how often do teams in that range actually trade their pick? Unless its for an established star or the team is moving back just a couple spots its extremely rare that a trade like that actually happens. We just don't have the assets to be able to pull off a trade for another top 8-10 pick.

Yeah I agree unless we are willing to trade next years first and Isaac. But I am not gutting what talent we have for that. Fournier are not getting us that much. That is a lot of money to absorb and while they are decent players I think they are more marginal starters/good backups. At that amount of money we aren't getting that much back. I wouldn't even expect any first rounder this year. Maybe something similar to the OKC pick with some money probably coming back to us and hopefully it being less.

[ralphie9898]

That was under the specific scenario that we land the top spot and one or more teams fall in love with Ayton or Doncic. Say we get 1 and Phoenix gets 3 would they hypothetically trade Jackson off to a team in the mid lotto that sends their pick to us? I know it’s not likely I meant that as a dream draft. It’s easy to say just get another pick but I know it doesn’t work like that


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Cant see PHX doing that. Jackson finally hit his stride at the end of the year. final 2 months of the season he was about 17ppg/6 rpg. they arent trading him away after 1 year. I see them calling a bluff, they know we wont take Ayton. And there are other big men they could take.

Yeah I agree except I have to ask why wouldn't we take Ayton. If we land the top pick I think Ayton very well could be the guy we take.

[ralphie9898]

That was under the specific scenario that we land the top spot and one or more teams fall in love with Ayton or Doncic. Say we get 1 and Phoenix gets 3 would they hypothetically trade Jackson off to a team in the mid lotto that sends their pick to us? I know it’s not likely I meant that as a dream draft. It’s easy to say just get another pick but I know it doesn’t work like that


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Cant see PHX doing that. Jackson finally hit his stride at the end of the year. final 2 months of the season he was about 17ppg/6 rpg. they arent trading him away after 1 year. I see them calling a bluff, they know we wont take Ayton. And there are other big men they could take.

Fair enough stance and really just a pointless debate until we know the draft order anyway. Maybe a more realistic discussion would be acquiring a pick in the 12-16 range to try and get one of the guards in that group. Quite a few interesting prospects SGA and Lonnie walker being my favorites. The clippers are sitting at 12 and 13. Washington at 15 and Phoenix at 16 could be options as well


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I wouldn't hold out much hope for us getting another first. Maybe something in the 20-30 range but we don't have the tradable assets to expect much. Evan, Vuc, Biyombo and Augustin all have fairly good sized contracts that are going to be tough to trade in any combination and each only has so much value. Evan has the most but still a large and lengthy deal that I wouldn't expect much. Vuc has some value but I think he is more of a backup 5 for anyone and at that price his market will not be very big. Biyombo is a negative value and I think we are stuck with him until his deal runs out. We have several decent second rounders and a decent value in the OKC pick but add some of them up and I think at best that gets us something in the mid 20s.