Kings Off-Season

[codydaze]

Sam Amick just reported Peja was promoted to Assistant GM role today. Ken Cantanella and Brandon Williams remain in their same titles and positions. Looks like he'll be overseeing player development as well as the Stockton Kings.

[City of Trees]

*sighs*

I thought Brandon Williams was Assistant GM?



........still waiting for our unexperienced Front Office to show us they are smarter than everyone else............


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[codydaze]

*sighs*

I thought Brandon Williams was Assistant GM?



........still waiting for our unexperienced Front Office to show us they are smarter than everyone else............


KANGZ


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I think technically Williams, Cantanella and now Stojakovic all have the assistant GM title just with difference focuses. Williams is the actual Kings roster construction/personnel guy, Cantanella is the cap guy and Peja will be handling development and the G-League team.

[scoobs07]

Lakers wouldn’t trade Ingram, but I could see them trying to package Kuzma to unload Deng if they absolutely needed cap, which I wouldn’t do

The only way the Kings are taking Deng back from the Lakers is if they are getting Ingram or Ball back. Ball is a tough call, but Ingram is really the target.

I think the Lakers and Kings are likely trade partners this off season. If the Lakers are to give up Ingram or Ball, it certainly would require the 7th pick coming back to the Lakers. Even then, the Lakers most likely wouldn't want to part with Ingram or Ball. Nonetheless, it seems that a fair trade could be made between the two teams. If the Lakers said no to trading Ingram or Ball, what kind of compromise do you think could be struck to execute a trade?

[kalenclayton]

Lakers wouldn’t trade Ingram, but I could see them trying to package Kuzma to unload Deng if they absolutely needed cap, which I wouldn’t do

The only way the Kings are taking Deng back from the Lakers is if they are getting Ingram or Ball back. Ball is a tough call, but Ingram is really the target.

I think the Lakers and Kings are likely trade partners this off season. If the Lakers are to give up Ingram or Ball, it certainly would require the 7th pick coming back to the Lakers. Even then, the Lakers most likely wouldn't want to part with Ingram or Ball. Nonetheless, it seems that a fair trade could be made between the two teams. If the Lakers said no to trading Ingram or Ball, what kind of compromise do you think could be struck to execute a trade?

It depends on what the goal is. If the Kings are taking on Deng, the conversation should start with including #7 from the Kings and Ingram or Ball from the Lakers (Ingram preferred). If those two players cannot be included, then the #7 is 100% not included. Then it comes down to what the Kings should be asking for to take Deng. I would probably ask for Kuzma, Hart, and a future unprotected first (2020?). Hart may be removed, but I feel like the Kings shouldn't be compromising too much with cap space relief.

[BoogieTime]

Just terrible for anyone wants to have belief in the FO (Peja)

At least I was able to LABOR under the illusion that Vlade was acting primarily as a figurehead and Williams/Catanella and QUALIFIED perseonnel were handling the phones and strategy

Now we just have unvetted former players handling decisions who haven’t been off to a great start

[scoobs07]

The only way the Kings are taking Deng back from the Lakers is if they are getting Ingram or Ball back. Ball is a tough call, but Ingram is really the target.

I think the Lakers and Kings are likely trade partners this off season. If the Lakers are to give up Ingram or Ball, it certainly would require the 7th pick coming back to the Lakers. Even then, the Lakers most likely wouldn't want to part with Ingram or Ball. Nonetheless, it seems that a fair trade could be made between the two teams. If the Lakers said no to trading Ingram or Ball, what kind of compromise do you think could be struck to execute a trade?

It depends on what the goal is. If the Kings are taking on Deng, the conversation should start with including #7 from the Kings and Ingram or Ball from the Lakers (Ingram preferred). If those two players cannot be included, then the #7 is 100% not included. Then it comes down to what the Kings should be asking for to take Deng. I would probably ask for Kuzma, Hart, and a future unprotected first (2020?). Hart may be removed, but I feel like the Kings shouldn't be compromising too much with cap space relief.

Personally, I rather keep Kuzma and Hart because they are catch and shoot type of players that dont need the ball as much as Ingram or Ball. This would benefit the Lakers if we are fortunate enough to sign similar players that need the ball like James and George. I would be willing to trade Hart if push comes to shove. Something like Hart, Zubac, Deng and #25 for a future 2nd rounder (top 55 protected). You keep your #7 pick. But from the Kings perspective, I rather have Ingram because he is the type of player that you build around.

[BoogieTime]

I think the Lakers and Kings are likely trade partners this off season. If the Lakers are to give up Ingram or Ball, it certainly would require the 7th pick coming back to the Lakers. Even then, the Lakers most likely wouldn't want to part with Ingram or Ball. Nonetheless, it seems that a fair trade could be made between the two teams. If the Lakers said no to trading Ingram or Ball, what kind of compromise do you think could be struck to execute a trade?

It depends on what the goal is. If the Kings are taking on Deng, the conversation should start with including #7 from the Kings and Ingram or Ball from the Lakers (Ingram preferred). If those two players cannot be included, then the #7 is 100% not included. Then it comes down to what the Kings should be asking for to take Deng. I would probably ask for Kuzma, Hart, and a future unprotected first (2020?). Hart may be removed, but I feel like the Kings shouldn't be compromising too much with cap space relief.

Personally, I rather keep Kuzma and Hart because they are catch and shoot type of players that dont need the ball as much as Ingram or Ball. This would benefit the Lakers if we are fortunate enough to sign similar players that need the ball like James and George. I would be willing to trade Hart if push comes to shove. Something like Hart, Zubac, Deng and #25 for a future 2nd rounder (top 55 protected). You keep your #7 pick. But from the Kings perspective, I rather have Ingram because he is the type of player that you build around.

The Lakers are going to have a ton of cap anyway, I think it’s wishful that they will need so much space to execute a Lebron and George and change move. At most I think they’ll get one

[kalenclayton]

I think the Lakers and Kings are likely trade partners this off season. If the Lakers are to give up Ingram or Ball, it certainly would require the 7th pick coming back to the Lakers. Even then, the Lakers most likely wouldn't want to part with Ingram or Ball. Nonetheless, it seems that a fair trade could be made between the two teams. If the Lakers said no to trading Ingram or Ball, what kind of compromise do you think could be struck to execute a trade?

It depends on what the goal is. If the Kings are taking on Deng, the conversation should start with including #7 from the Kings and Ingram or Ball from the Lakers (Ingram preferred). If those two players cannot be included, then the #7 is 100% not included. Then it comes down to what the Kings should be asking for to take Deng. I would probably ask for Kuzma, Hart, and a future unprotected first (2020?). Hart may be removed, but I feel like the Kings shouldn't be compromising too much with cap space relief.

Personally, I rather keep Kuzma and Hart because they are catch and shoot type of players that dont need the ball as much as Ingram or Ball. This would benefit the Lakers if we are fortunate enough to sign similar players that need the ball like James and George. I would be willing to trade Hart if push comes to shove. Something like Hart, Zubac, Deng and #25 for a future 2nd rounder (top 55 protected). You keep your #7 pick. But from the Kings perspective, I rather have Ingram because he is the type of player that you build around.

I totally get why you would want to keep those guys. I think the Kings need Kuzma in a trade that doesn’t involve Ingram, Ball, or a future first. The Kings also have a bunch of roster spots filled, so taking on more draft picks this season doesn’t really help. I think replacing Hart with Kuzma in the trade you suggested makes it palatable to the Kings. You could drop the first off in that scenario. So...

Deng, Kuzma, Zubac, 1 or 2 future 2nds
for
Cap space

How does that sound?


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[codydaze]

Just terrible for anyone wants to have belief in the FO (Peja)

At least I was able to LABOR under the illusion that Vlade was acting primarily as a figurehead and Williams/Catanella and QUALIFIED perseonnel were handling the phones and strategy

Now we just have unvetted former players handling decisions who haven’t been off to a great start

Peja won't have any responsibility when it comes to dealing with the Sacramento Kings roster decisions. His role is with player devlopment and overseeing the Stockton Kings. Brandon Williams is still the Kings roster guy and Cantanella is still the cap guy, all three have the Assistant GM title.

[BoogieTime]

Just terrible for anyone wants to have belief in the FO (Peja)

At least I was able to LABOR under the illusion that Vlade was acting primarily as a figurehead and Williams/Catanella and QUALIFIED perseonnel were handling the phones and strategy

Now we just have unvetted former players handling decisions who haven’t been off to a great start

Peja won't have any responsibility when it comes to dealing with the Sacramento Kings roster decisions. His role is with player devlopment and overseeing the Stockton Kings. Brandon Williams is still the Kings roster guy and Cantanella is still the cap guy, all three have the Assistant GM title.

Why does it say he’ll have talent evaluation duties on the wiretap and why the need for a change in title?

[codydaze]

Just terrible for anyone wants to have belief in the FO (Peja)

At least I was able to LABOR under the illusion that Vlade was acting primarily as a figurehead and Williams/Catanella and QUALIFIED perseonnel were handling the phones and strategy

Now we just have unvetted former players handling decisions who haven’t been off to a great start

Peja won't have any responsibility when it comes to dealing with the Sacramento Kings roster decisions. His role is with player devlopment and overseeing the Stockton Kings. Brandon Williams is still the Kings roster guy and Cantanella is still the cap guy, all three have the Assistant GM title.

Why does it say he’ll have talent evaluation duties on the wiretap and why the need for a change in title?

Because talent evaluation is a part of player development and kind of the purpose of the Stockton Kings? He'll pretty much be running that team so it's more of a formality. His former role was VP of Basketball Operations, it's not that drastic of a change.

[BoogieTime]

Peja won't have any responsibility when it comes to dealing with the Sacramento Kings roster decisions. His role is with player devlopment and overseeing the Stockton Kings. Brandon Williams is still the Kings roster guy and Cantanella is still the cap guy, all three have the Assistant GM title.

Why does it say he’ll have talent evaluation duties on the wiretap and why the need for a change in title?

Because talent evaluation is a part of player development and kind of the purpose of the Stockton Kings? He'll pretty much be running that team so it's more of a formality. His former role was VP of Basketball Operations, it's not that drastic of a change.

The report on the Kings site is framing it as an “expanded role” and seems to be stipulating talent evaluation as separate from managing the affiliate.. I guess we will need more info

[City of Trees]

I get that none of us were born with experience....but man, look at the Kings starting from the top with our Owner all the way down to the end of the players bench and you'll see an organization learning how to be an NBA franchise.

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[scoobs07]

It depends on what the goal is. If the Kings are taking on Deng, the conversation should start with including #7 from the Kings and Ingram or Ball from the Lakers (Ingram preferred). If those two players cannot be included, then the #7 is 100% not included. Then it comes down to what the Kings should be asking for to take Deng. I would probably ask for Kuzma, Hart, and a future unprotected first (2020?). Hart may be removed, but I feel like the Kings shouldn't be compromising too much with cap space relief.

Personally, I rather keep Kuzma and Hart because they are catch and shoot type of players that dont need the ball as much as Ingram or Ball. This would benefit the Lakers if we are fortunate enough to sign similar players that need the ball like James and George. I would be willing to trade Hart if push comes to shove. Something like Hart, Zubac, Deng and #25 for a future 2nd rounder (top 55 protected). You keep your #7 pick. But from the Kings perspective, I rather have Ingram because he is the type of player that you build around.

I totally get why you would want to keep those guys. I think the Kings need Kuzma in a trade that doesn’t involve Ingram, Ball, or a future first. The Kings also have a bunch of roster spots filled, so taking on more draft picks this season doesn’t really help. I think replacing Hart with Kuzma in the trade you suggested makes it palatable to the Kings. You could drop the first off in that scenario. So...

Deng, Kuzma, Zubac, 1 or 2 future 2nds
for
Cap space

How does that sound?


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Im pretty sure the Lakers wouldn't that. They might value Kuzma as much as they do Ingram. This would mean the Kings would still have to send the lottery pick. I think they only trade Kuzma if they are able to significantly upgrade the power forward position, specifically in the un likely event that we get James, George and Leonard. One of those 3 would have to play the 4. IMO, if its Ingram or Kuzma, Kings have to send the lottery pick, and if its Hart/Zubac/picks, Kings dont have to send the lottery pick.

[codydaze]

Why does it say he’ll have talent evaluation duties on the wiretap and why the need for a change in title?

Because talent evaluation is a part of player development and kind of the purpose of the Stockton Kings? He'll pretty much be running that team so it's more of a formality. His former role was VP of Basketball Operations, it's not that drastic of a change.

The report on the Kings site is framing it as an “expanded role” and seems to be stipulating talent evaluation as separate from managing the affiliate.. I guess we will need more info

Once again. Player. Development. The same thing he's been doing as VP of Basketball Operations the last three years.

[scoobs07]

Personally, I rather keep Kuzma and Hart because they are catch and shoot type of players that dont need the ball as much as Ingram or Ball. This would benefit the Lakers if we are fortunate enough to sign similar players that need the ball like James and George. I would be willing to trade Hart if push comes to shove. Something like Hart, Zubac, Deng and #25 for a future 2nd rounder (top 55 protected). You keep your #7 pick. But from the Kings perspective, I rather have Ingram because he is the type of player that you build around.

I totally get why you would want to keep those guys. I think the Kings need Kuzma in a trade that doesn’t involve Ingram, Ball, or a future first. The Kings also have a bunch of roster spots filled, so taking on more draft picks this season doesn’t really help. I think replacing Hart with Kuzma in the trade you suggested makes it palatable to the Kings. You could drop the first off in that scenario. So...

Deng, Kuzma, Zubac, 1 or 2 future 2nds
for
Cap space

How does that sound?


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Im pretty sure the Lakers wouldn't that. They might value Kuzma as much as they do Ingram. This would mean the Kings would still have to send the lottery pick. I think they only trade Kuzma if they are able to significantly upgrade the power forward position, specifically in the un likely event that we get James, George and Leonard. One of those 3 would have to play the 4. IMO, if its Ingram or Kuzma, Kings have to send the lottery pick, and if its Hart/Zubac/picks, Kings dont have to send the lottery pick.

With Lebron and Paul George, Kuzma is a better fit imo, but with only Paul George, Ingram is the obvious better fit. So, a trade like this before the draft would be a huge gamble without knowing if the Lakers are even going to get Lebron.

[SacKingZZZ]

It's not like he wasn't one of Vlade's trusted sidekicks already. I doubt this is anything more than a change in title really. He's been in that circle so I wouldn't treat this as earth shattering by any means.

[kalenclayton]

Personally, I rather keep Kuzma and Hart because they are catch and shoot type of players that dont need the ball as much as Ingram or Ball. This would benefit the Lakers if we are fortunate enough to sign similar players that need the ball like James and George. I would be willing to trade Hart if push comes to shove. Something like Hart, Zubac, Deng and #25 for a future 2nd rounder (top 55 protected). You keep your #7 pick. But from the Kings perspective, I rather have Ingram because he is the type of player that you build around.

I totally get why you would want to keep those guys. I think the Kings need Kuzma in a trade that doesn’t involve Ingram, Ball, or a future first. The Kings also have a bunch of roster spots filled, so taking on more draft picks this season doesn’t really help. I think replacing Hart with Kuzma in the trade you suggested makes it palatable to the Kings. You could drop the first off in that scenario. So...

Deng, Kuzma, Zubac, 1 or 2 future 2nds
for
Cap space

How does that sound?


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Im pretty sure the Lakers wouldn't that. They might value Kuzma as much as they do Ingram. This would mean the Kings would still have to send the lottery pick. I think they only trade Kuzma if they are able to significantly upgrade the power forward position, specifically in the un likely event that we get James, George and Leonard. One of those 3 would have to play the 4. IMO, if its Ingram or Kuzma, Kings have to send the lottery pick, and if its Hart/Zubac/picks, Kings dont have to send the lottery pick.

I think that’s where the stalemate is and I think the Kings hold off in that scenario unfortunately. The Kings won’t value Kuzma more than the 7th pick (and they shouldn’t). They would value him as the piece that cuts Deng’s deal out. It will cost to move Deng and I think the Kings asking price will likely be one of Ingram, Ball, or Kuzma. The Lotto pick only gets included if the piece coming back is Ball or Ingram though. I appreciate where you are coming from though.


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[BoogieTime]

Because talent evaluation is a part of player development and kind of the purpose of the Stockton Kings? He'll pretty much be running that team so it's more of a formality. His former role was VP of Basketball Operations, it's not that drastic of a change.

The report on the Kings site is framing it as an “expanded role” and seems to be stipulating talent evaluation as separate from managing the affiliate.. I guess we will need more info

Once again. Player. Development. The same thing he's been doing as VP of Basketball Operations the last three years.

How is his role being expanded into something he’s done the last three years? Title expansion?