Kings Off-Season

[scoobs07]

I totally get why you would want to keep those guys. I think the Kings need Kuzma in a trade that doesn’t involve Ingram, Ball, or a future first. The Kings also have a bunch of roster spots filled, so taking on more draft picks this season doesn’t really help. I think replacing Hart with Kuzma in the trade you suggested makes it palatable to the Kings. You could drop the first off in that scenario. So...

Deng, Kuzma, Zubac, 1 or 2 future 2nds
for
Cap space

How does that sound?


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Im pretty sure the Lakers wouldn't that. They might value Kuzma as much as they do Ingram. This would mean the Kings would still have to send the lottery pick. I think they only trade Kuzma if they are able to significantly upgrade the power forward position, specifically in the un likely event that we get James, George and Leonard. One of those 3 would have to play the 4. IMO, if its Ingram or Kuzma, Kings have to send the lottery pick, and if its Hart/Zubac/picks, Kings dont have to send the lottery pick.

I think that’s where the stalemate is and I think the Kings hold off in that scenario unfortunately. The Kings won’t value Kuzma more than the 7th pick (and they shouldn’t). They would value him as the piece that cuts Deng’s deal out. It will cost to move Deng and I think the Kings asking price will likely be one of Ingram, Ball, or Kuzma. The Lotto pick only gets included if the piece coming back is Ball or Ingram though. I appreciate where you are coming from though.


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Well,it would be easier to part with Ball or Ingram after James and George have already agreed to sign. The Lakers should get on the phone and call teams if they are fortunate enough to come to an agreement before July 6th. At that time,maybe a deal could be struck between the Kings and Lakers. It just complicates things a bit with the Lakers not having control of who the Kings pick. I would like Bamba, but he is probably gone by then. Kings probably would have choice between Porter and Bridges. Im not crazy about either of them, but with James and George in the fold, its not as important.

[kalenclayton]

Im pretty sure the Lakers wouldn't that. They might value Kuzma as much as they do Ingram. This would mean the Kings would still have to send the lottery pick. I think they only trade Kuzma if they are able to significantly upgrade the power forward position, specifically in the un likely event that we get James, George and Leonard. One of those 3 would have to play the 4. IMO, if its Ingram or Kuzma, Kings have to send the lottery pick, and if its Hart/Zubac/picks, Kings dont have to send the lottery pick.

I think that’s where the stalemate is and I think the Kings hold off in that scenario unfortunately. The Kings won’t value Kuzma more than the 7th pick (and they shouldn’t). They would value him as the piece that cuts Deng’s deal out. It will cost to move Deng and I think the Kings asking price will likely be one of Ingram, Ball, or Kuzma. The Lotto pick only gets included if the piece coming back is Ball or Ingram though. I appreciate where you are coming from though.


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Well,it would be easier to part with Ball or Ingram after James and George have already agreed to sign. The Lakers should get on the phone and call teams if they are fortunate enough to come to an agreement before July 6th. At that time,maybe a deal could be struck between the Kings and Lakers. It just complicates things a bit with the Lakers not having control of who the Kings pick. I would like Bamba, but he is probably gone by then. Kings probably would have choice between Porter and Bridges. Im not crazy about either of them, but with James and George in the fold, its not as important.

This is definitely a deal the Kings do during or after as long as they are getting a key asset back. I really hope a deal like this happens.

[BoogieTime]

Kosta opting in.. there goes my hope one of them would opt out..

I actually like Kosta, and he played some good ball during certain stretches. Can even be a spot starter here and there, but that extra cap was appetizing

[BoogieTime]

As an addendum to the Peja convo.. aside from my favorite player from the glory years being wet behind the ears, it always seemed a little off that Vlade was allowed to hire his boys without experience (him and Drobnjak)

[kingjawn100]

Kosta opting in.. there goes my hope one of them would opt out..

I actually like Kosta, and he played some good ball during certain stretches. Can even be a spot starter here and there, but that extra cap was appetizing

Not sure how i feel about this. Kosta was arguably the 2nd or 3rd best player on the team last year but i'm starting to think last year's team and next year's team are going to look very similar. Also if we draft a big we suddenly have a real log jam at that position. This may be a sign that we're small forward or bust come draft time.

If the roster is mostly the same, we see moderate development from our young players and finish in the mid 20s in wins again i just don't see how Vlade or Joerger survive.

[kalenclayton]

Kosta opting in.. there goes my hope one of them would opt out..

I actually like Kosta, and he played some good ball during certain stretches. Can even be a spot starter here and there, but that extra cap was appetizing

Not sure how i feel about this. Kosta was arguably the 2nd or 3rd best player on the team last year but i'm starting to think last year's team and next year's team are going to look very similar. Also if we draft a big we suddenly have a real log jam at that position. This may be a sign that we're small forward or bust come draft time.

If the roster is mostly the same, we see moderate development from our young players and finish in the mid 20s in wins again i just don't see how Vlade or Joerger survive.

I think moderate development gets us to thirty wins with no changes to this roster. If we see big development from Fox alone, that number grows. He’s the main key here. I am not expecting anything from Giles, so if he produces well I expect our win totals to grow. I’m assuming that any moves we make will be for the long term since we will probably be looking at a 28-36 win team next year. I don’t see this team regressing at all. I’ll eat crow if I’m wrong about regressing.

[jazanetti]

Skal/Mason/Koufos or something for Kuzma and eating Deng's contract then I'm all on board.

Skal has 9+5 per 21 minutes (45-35-80%).
Kuzma - 16+6 per 31 minutes (46-37-71%).
I don't see a huge difference to add Mason and KK. While Skal is younger and has better size (and defence potential), even to play small ball center. Kuzma is a tweener 3/4 with no size and strength to play against PFs and no D and court vision to be top wing. Just a good role player, may be top 6th man as best.

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[City of Trees]

IMO Kosta opting in makes it easier to move WCS if this move was ever being discussed

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[City of Trees]

Skal/Mason/Koufos or something for Kuzma and eating Deng's contract then I'm all on board.

Skal has 9+5 per 21 minutes (45-35-80%).
Kuzma - 16+6 per 31 minutes (46-37-71%).
I don't see a huge difference to add Mason and KK. While Skal is younger and has better size (and defence potential), even to play small ball center. Kuzma is a tweener 3/4 with no size and strength to play against PFs and no D and court vision to be top wing. Just a good role player, may be top 6th man as best.

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Kuzma has court vision! He had it in college. The Point Forward is will become a larger trend as Simmons, Kuzma, and most likely Doncic find success in the league. Greek Freak is something more but he came in with those skills.

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[City of Trees]

Who does this remind you of?

Hint: Its WCS

12.

Robert Williams

Height: 6-10 | Weight: 237 |

Texas A&M | Forward/Center

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Despite playing out of position all season, Williams showed that his game is tailor-made for the NBA as a rim-running, pick-and-roll-finishing shot-blocker/offensive rebounder in the Clint Capela mold. His performance varies wildly from game to game, as his approach and habits often leave something to be desired, but he's one of the best athletes in the draft and shows tantalizing flashes of talent on both ends of the floor. 
SCOUTING REPORT: ROBERT 

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[kalenclayton]

Who does this remind you of?

Hint: Its WCS

12.

Robert Williams

Height: 6-10 | Weight: 237 |

Texas A&M | Forward/Center

[http://a]

Despite playing out of position all season, Williams showed that his game is tailor-made for the NBA as a rim-running, pick-and-roll-finishing shot-blocker/offensive rebounder in the Clint Capela mold. His performance varies wildly from game to game, as his approach and habits often leave something to be desired, but he's one of the best athletes in the draft and shows tantalizing flashes of talent on both ends of the floor. 
SCOUTING REPORT: ROBERT 

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He kinda reminds me of Kenneth Faried with a defensive presence and an inconsistent motor. I can see a little bit of Willie. I have liked the potential of Williams, but I hate inconsistent motors especially after having Willie. We need guys who bleed for the game.

[OhioKingsFan]

I had been feeling uneasy about the thought of committing too much salary to one of the young PFs on the market this summer, but after looking at the Kings' future cap situation, I've totally changed my tune. The Kings will have plenty of cap space this summer, and not many other teams will. The team with the most cap space (LAL) probably wont' spend it on the players we'll be targeting. This is the time to try to out-bid the market on some young free agents. Stretching the final year of Shump, and even Temple's contract is a perfectly acceptable and manageable price to pay if it means adding a difference maker or two.

The Kings should be operating under the assumption of having up to $35M of cap space to try to spend this summer. Even after the salary of the (likely) 7th pick is factored in, stretching Shump gets the Kings to $30M in cap space, waiving Temple makes it jump to $35M. The Kings would still have loads of cap space the next 2 years so the additional $3-5M cap hit fro stretching these players would be non-material.

The Kings need to go shopping!

Sign me up for an offer of a 3-4 year deal of $20+ p/yr (up to a Max contract) for Randle, Aaron Gordon, or Jabari Parker (3rd yr team option), in that order. I'd then offer $9-10M p/yr for 3 yrs to Mario Hezonja, who would become the starting SF. If Hezonja isn't available, take a chance on Rodney Hood. The Kings would still have $24M+ in cap space next summer ($35M+ w/o WCS's cap hold) to try to improve the roster.

[SacKingZZZ]

So, now the Temple decision decides where the Kings will stand monetarily. I'm OK with Kosta remaining on the team because he does fill a role as a screen setter, but the Kings better not roll out the same shortsighted garbage next year.

[BoogieTime]

So, now the Temple decision decides where the Kings will stand monetarily. I'm OK with Kosta remaining on the team because he does fill a role as a screen setter, but the Kings better not roll out the same shortsighted garbage next year.

He’s hinted at coming back (Temple)

[kingjawn100]

Am i the only one who wouldn't be shocked if our starting 5 opening night is..

FOX
BOGI
TEMPLE
Z-BO
WCS

[kalenclayton]

Am i the only one who wouldn't be shocked if our starting 5 opening night is..

FOX
BOGI
TEMPLE
Z-BO
WCS

I can totally see it. I think it will probably be that unless Hield comes back on fire. I can also see Joerger starting Shumpert over Temple.

[blind prophet]

So, now the Temple decision decides where the Kings will stand monetarily. I'm OK with Kosta remaining on the team because he does fill a role as a screen setter, but the Kings better not roll out the same shortsighted garbage next year.

You should be able to predict this like the rising sun.

You know it is going to happen, everyone opts in.

Maybe we make a gamble and try a S&T for Gordon or something, but it will get matched.

[blind prophet]

Am i the only one who wouldn't be shocked if our starting 5 opening night is..

FOX
BOGI
TEMPLE
Z-BO
WCS

Shump may start at the 3, possibly JJ or a draft pick. Otherwise yeah.

[kingjawn100]

I'm really just bracing for the worst as far as everyone opting in, us making minimal free agent signings and drafting a project.

Just thinking about it, that could be the plan afterall, with all our chips being put in the 2019 free agent market since we don't have a draft pick then anyway. Maybe in their thinking, having this be another 'development year' before they try to reach the playoffs in 2019-2020 buys Vlade & Joerger an extra year of security/forgiveness.

Player development aside, if the Kings don't win 35 games next year would it be fair to fire Joerger after being given that^ starting lineup to work with?

[BoogieTime]

I'm really just bracing for the worst as far as everyone opting in, us making minimal free agent signings and drafting a project.

Just thinking about it, that could be the plan afterall, with all our chips being put in the 2019 free agent market since we don't have a draft pick then anyway. Maybe in their thinking, having this be another 'development year' before they try to reach the playoffs in 2019-2020 buys Vlade & Joerger an extra year of security/forgiveness.

Player development aside, if the Kings don't win 35 games next year would it be fair to fire Joerger after being given that^ starting lineup to work with?

The regime is under the gun this year, so I’d expect them to do all they think they can this summer. Even Vlade said he’d step down if it didn’t look better after this year. I don’t think they feel they could have that much time, or at least wouldn’t feel secure thinking that