Rebuilding Plan.

[blueadams]

Keeping it simple. Only one way to -- potentially -- build an actual NBA Championship contender here.

***#1: GM.*** Not going to get into names here (because, frankly, I don't know them). But first and foremost, our new GM needs to be an incredible talent evaluator/scout. He needs to be a great draft'er. He needs to be able to hit on high picks. Tellum or whoever else can focus on the business side.

***#2: HC.*** Again, not going to get into names here. But first and foremost, our new HC needs to be a great talent developer. Perhaps a young coach or a college coach. Someone who can really develop young talent. If need be when the time comes, we can bring in a more polished NBA X's and O's guy to get us to the next level.

***#3: Roster.*** Trade, tank and draft. There's really nothing on this roster that's very good. Lord knows we're not a FA destination. We need at least 3 very high draft picks. And we need to hit on them.

-Griffin's a big contract and a good player. If we can get someone to take on his contract for expirings (and a decent pick if possible?), that'd be great -- both financially, and for tanking purposes. Drummond's a big contract and a good player, too. And the same goes for him. Neither will be easy to move. Neither should be impossible to move.

-Beyond Griffin and Drummond, we really don't have any players who will hurt us tank-wise. Reggie and Leuer both have big contracts that would be nice to move if possible. But neither are going to hurt us tank-wise. Same goes for the rest of the team.

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Griffin(4yrs/32-39mil)(2.09)
Drummond(3yrs/25-29mil)(1.42)

Jackson(2yrs/17-18mil)(-0.31)
Leuer(2yrs/10mil)
Galloway(2yrs/7mil)(0.79)
*J. Smith(2yrs/5mil)
Moreland(2yrs/2mil)(0.24)

I. Smith(1yr/6mil)(-0.32)
Johnson(1yr/4mil)(-0.90)
Kennard(1yr/3mil)(-0.73)
Ellenson(1yr/2mil)

[Invictus88]

Hmm. I don't think our roster is good for tanking purposes in the near-term. Feels like we are buoyed near the .500 mark unless we go way out of our way to start Buycks, Langston, Leuer, Henry, and Moreland. I have doubts we could get away with that.

I also think we made the same mistake with Blake that we did with Josh Smith -- we valued them higher than everyone else. Blake's a good player but he doesn't affect a franchise in the way someone paid at a superstar level should. So in that sense he's a big negative in terms of value.

We'd have to hope that a franchise is absolutely desperate and has another bad contract to boot. Maybe Paul George leaves OKC and they whiff completely in free agency. Would they be desperate enough to trade Carmelo's expiring for a PF even though they are already paying Steven Adams Drummond money? I just don't see it.

I think our best chance to get anything in return is to hope that a playoff team's PG goes down right around the all-star break and we trade them Ish for a draft pick. Otherwise I don't see anything coming back pick-wise with anything we have on our roster.

I think that nothing substantial happens until next year when we have some decient-sized expiring contracts to deal. At that point we could decide to go full tank if we chose to.

[bwgood77]

Hmm. I don't think our roster is good for tanking purposes in the near-term. Feels like we are buoyed near the .500 mark unless we go way out of our way to start Buycks, Langston, Leuer, Henry, and Moreland. I have doubts we could get away with that.

I also think we made the same mistake with Blake that we did with Josh Smith -- we valued them higher than everyone else. Blake's a good player but he doesn't affect a franchise in the way someone paid at a superstar level should. So in that sense he's a big negative in terms of value.

We'd have to hope that a franchise is absolutely desperate and has another bad contract to boot. Maybe Paul George leaves OKC and they whiff completely in free agency. Would they be desperate enough to trade Carmelo's expiring for a PF even though they are already paying Steven Adams Drummond money? I just don't see it.

I think our best chance to get anything in return is to hope that a playoff team's PG goes down right around the all-star break and we trade them Ish for a draft pick. Otherwise I don't see anything coming back pick-wise with anything we have on our roster.

I think that nothing substantial happens until next year when we have some decient-sized expiring contracts to deal. At that point we could decide to go full tank if we chose to.

OKC won't have any money in FA even if Paul George leaves (assuming Melo picks up his option) so if you were willing to trade Blake for Melo they might consider it if they can stay under the tax. They might want or have to put someone like Singler in there.

[ImHeisenberg]

Dream List: Mike Zarren as President of BO. Mike Budenholzer as HC.

Empower Zarren to make absolutely any deal that helps this team get out of the hole it's in, with the only caveat being that we will not trade any future draft picks.

[Crymson]

OKC won't have any money in FA even if Paul George leaves (assuming Melo picks up his option) so if you were willing to trade Blake for Melo they might consider it if they can stay under the tax. They might want or have to put someone like Singler in there.

Staying under the tax while remaining competitive would be impossible with $300 million committed to Westbrook and Griffin over the next four years, and the two of them would be the very worst of fits.

[bwgood77]

OKC won't have any money in FA even if Paul George leaves (assuming Melo picks up his option) so if you were willing to trade Blake for Melo they might consider it if they can stay under the tax. They might want or have to put someone like Singler in there.

Staying under the tax while remaining competitive would be impossible with $300 million committed to Westbrook and Griffin over the next four years, and the two of them would be the very worst of fits.

It appears they'd probably be slightly under the tax if they made that trade so they really couldn't do much else except add minimum guys, etc, for the next few years. They don't seem like a good fit, but OKC will be strapped anyway this summer and can't do anything even if Paul leaves. I guess once Melo expires they can retool somewhat.

[Crymson]

It appears they'd probably be slightly under the tax if they made that trade so they really couldn't do much else except add minimum guys, etc, for the next few years. They don't seem like a good fit, but OKC will be strapped anyway this summer and can't do anything even if Paul leaves. I guess once Melo expires they can retool somewhat.

I think they'd prefer being strapped over paying luxury tax out the wazoo for a roster that cannot compete.

[King_Supreme]

Somewhat on topic, but I can see the Heat being open to taking on Blake’s contract. Riley’s moves of the past couple of years haven’t been anything short of stupid, so I can see him down to trade Tyler Johnson; Josh Richardson, Bam, Justice Winslow, and a unprotected 2023 pick for Blake.

[LaSheed]

Think Washington would take Blake, SJ, Ish for Otto Porter Jr & fillers/picks.

They clearly aint cutting it with what they have.

I wanna blow it up and atleast Porter can grow into his contract although may never live up to the $$.

[Crymson]

Somewhat on topic, but I can see the Heat being open to taking on Blake’s contract. Riley’s moves of the past couple of years haven’t been anything short of stupid, so I can see him down to trade Tyler Johnson; Josh Richardson, Bam, Justice Winslow, and a unprotected 2023 pick for Blake.

That is an obscenely bad trade for the Heat.

[Billl]

Hate to break it to you, but we aren't going to plunge into a full rebuild. Gores is expecting to make the playoffs. Nobody on the roster is untouchable, but we aren't going to be dumping talent for cap relief.

[King_Supreme]

Somewhat on topic, but I can see the Heat being open to taking on Blake’s contract. Riley’s moves of the past couple of years haven’t been anything short of stupid, so I can see him down to trade Tyler Johnson; Josh Richardson, Bam, Justice Winslow, and a unprotected 2023 pick for Blake.

That is an obscenely bad trade for the Heat.

I know, but Riley doesn’t value picks and have been making head scratching moves of late(trading for Dragic, locking up Waiters/JJ, refusing to blow it up despite being a clear treadmill team), so it’s conceivable the Pistons can fleece Miami. Plus we all know how much Riley loves going after “stars”.

[Crymson]

I know, but Riley doesn’t value picks and have been making head scratching moves of late(trading for Dragic, locking up Waiters/JJ, refusing to blow it up despite being a clear treadmill team), so it’s conceivable the Pistons can fleece Miami. Plus we all know how much Riley loves going after “stars”.

He's made some questionable moves, all of which would be a far cry from getting absolutely slaughtered. He's no fool, and Griffin hardly has trade value of any kind. When the Clippers came calling, only the Pistons made a serious offer. Griffin isn't a commodity, and he'd be as terrible a fit on that team as he is on this one.

[Crymson]

Think Washington would take Blake, SJ, Ish for Otto Porter Jr & fillers/picks.

They clearly aint cutting it with what they have.

I wanna blow it up and atleast Porter can grow into his contract although may never live up to the $$.

No. As I and other have been saying: Griffin barely has any trade value at all. He's an outdated, injury-prone power forward with four seasons left on a bad contract. Nobody but the Pistons was interested in paying for him at the deadline, and I see no reason why that will have changed since.

Porter is 25, one of the league's abler wings, a highly efficient scorer and solid defender. He has considerably more value than Griffin. Griffin would furthermore be as poor a fit in Washington as he is in Detroit, if not even worse. This trade would make as little sense for the Wizards as trading for Griffin did for the Pistons, which is to say zero.

[dalton749]

Drummond for Hayward and everyone is happy imo. A quick retool and an offseason for Reggie, Hayward, griffin to gel is at least a lower seed playoff team for awhile imo.

I would just start Kennard and ellenson beside them and see what happens.

[DCintheD]

Drummond for Hayward and everyone is happy imo. A quick retool and an offseason for Reggie, Hayward, griffin to gel is at least a lower seed playoff team for awhile imo.

I would just start Kennard and ellenson beside them and see what happens.

Drummond won’t get us Hayward. That’d be very nice tho. Can’t see Stevens being on board.

[tradez401]

Drummond for Hayward and everyone is happy imo. A quick retool and an offseason for Reggie, Hayward, griffin to gel is at least a lower seed playoff team for awhile imo.

I would just start Kennard and ellenson beside them and see what happens.

lol ellenson at the 5 would be horrendous he'd get used and abused by every center in the league and i honestly wouldnt trade drummond for a player comin off a horrific injury too risky.

[dalton749]

Drummond for Hayward and everyone is happy imo. A quick retool and an offseason for Reggie, Hayward, griffin to gel is at least a lower seed playoff team for awhile imo.

I would just start Kennard and ellenson beside them and see what happens.

Drummond won’t get us Hayward. That’d be very nice tho. Can’t see Stevens being on board.

If Boston does it they have a starting 5 that could basically all be all stars, it’ll be hard for them to make brown or Tatum come off the bench when Hayward comes back.

[tradez401]

i'd like for us to trade reggie for someone like a dennis schroder or jeff teague.

[DCintheD]

Drummond for Hayward and everyone is happy imo. A quick retool and an offseason for Reggie, Hayward, griffin to gel is at least a lower seed playoff team for awhile imo.

I would just start Kennard and ellenson beside them and see what happens.

Drummond won’t get us Hayward. That’d be very nice tho. Can’t see Stevens being on board.

If Boston does it they have a starting 5 that could basically all be all stars, it’ll be hard for them to make brown or Tatum come off the bench when Hayward comes back.

I agree. The more I think about it the more I realize this is very mutually beneficial. Probly would need to add a future pick for them to justify trading Hayward tho