Political Roundtable Part XX

[dckingsfan]

In the meantime... the labor rate for 25 to 54 still has a way to go...




But we clearly have a demographic problem...



And yet we don't want any immigration? Even smart immigration?

[dckingsfan]

Just to summarize what happened last week. Michael Avanetti released proof that, essentially, Michael Cohen has been collecting bribes on Trump's behalf from various corporate interests around the globe. I wasn't surprised - NO ONE was surprised. We all knew this was the kind of man Trump is - a criminal. This is why I've been SO ANGRY the entire two decades this criminal has been President, because I'm not an idiot - I know what's happening. We ALL know what's happening - including the people who voted for him. We CHOSE this. No, I wasn't surprised - just deeply, deeply disappointed in my country.

There is no evidence that cohen did this on behalf of trump. at all. mone. in fact its very unlikely. cohen found a way to get paid and is getting paid.

Solid refute, we don't care about Cohen - but that is the company Trump keeps. So, QED: Trump is a criminal idiot

[closg00]

Just to summarize what happened last week. Michael Avanetti released proof that, essentially, Michael Cohen has been collecting bribes on Trump's behalf from various corporate interests around the globe. I wasn't surprised - NO ONE was surprised. We all knew this was the kind of man Trump is - a criminal. This is why I've been SO ANGRY the entire two decades this criminal has been President, because I'm not an idiot - I know what's happening. We ALL know what's happening - including the people who voted for him. We CHOSE this. No, I wasn't surprised - just deeply, deeply disappointed in my country.

there is no evidence that cohen did this on behalf o ftrump. at all. mone. in fact its very unlikely. cohen found a way to get paid and is getting paid.


no different than if zonker was trump and zonker liked to sneak on the message boards and chat under the alias zonker. and ONLY ONE of us knew zonker was trump. and THAT oarticular one of us convinced ATT (or russians) to pay us to so as to learn about zonker. and we could tell ATT a lot about zonker based on his posts. Zonked could and likely would be completely innocent o anything nefarious except his ridiculous political leanings.

You were more than eager to "Lock her up" with far less evidence. Trump did meet with Novartis shortly after the payment to the slush fund, and we're just getting started.

[Zonkerbl]

SD20 I have a bridge for sale in NYC you interested?

[gtn130]

there is no evidence that cohen did this on behalf o ftrump. at all. mone. in fact its very unlikely. cohen found a way to get paid and is getting paid.

Can you maybe make one single post in good faith and stop acting like you would EVER acknowledge any evidence of Trump wrongdoing? Smoking gun evidence could be blasted across the front of the Washington Post and you'd call it a Fake News Witch Hunt led by Traitorous Liberals.

[JWizmentality]

Again...why you people continue to engage the Trump University graduate is beyond me.

[gtn130]

Again...why you people continue to engage the Trump University graduate is beyond me.

This is fair criticism. No idea why I engage.

[stilldropin20]

there is no evidence that cohen did this on behalf o ftrump. at all. mone. in fact its very unlikely. cohen found a way to get paid and is getting paid.

Can you maybe make one single post in good faith and stop acting like you would EVER acknowledge any evidence of Trump wrongdoing? Smoking gun evidence could be blasted across the front of the Washington Post and you'd call it a Fake News Witch Hunt led by Traitorous Liberals.

guys, if you witch hunt anyone, you will find criminal behavior. YOU GUYS are not posting nor arguing in good faith by not acknowledging that.

If you gave me carte blanche to investigate anyone (AND EVERYONE AROUND THEM INCLUDING THEIR LAWYERS) I would find crimes. FACT. There is no way that minimally technicalities would not be broken. By the people around you let alone you. Or HRC-weiner, Huma, Comey, Lynch, Mccabe, etc etc. We would find crimes. And then if I offered immunity to those around who we found crimes, and they sing (rather compose) a criminal narrative around you. I could do it. And I could do it for every single human being on palnet earth. There is no human being on planet that i could not entrap with carte blanche investigatory power. And clearly that includes trump. And I said that 1 year ago. But this is NOT justice. This is not how our justice system is suppose to work. This is gestapo tactics. "Show me the man and I will show you the crime."

[gtn130]

guys, if you witch hunt anyone, you will find criminal behavior.

Ok, I can't resist.

Hillary’s Benghazi Investigation
- 72 months of investigation
- 11 hrs of Hillary’s testimony
- 0 Indictments
- 0 guilty pleas

If your next argument is that it's because she ACID WASHED stuff and DELETED EMAILS, then you would also have to accept that Hillary is far more intelligent than Trump and his gang of muppets based on how much sh*t they've already been caught doing.

[montestewart]

Even soxfan on the Current Affairs board can at least embrace a hypothetical in which Trump is guilty of something. But for some people, there is no scenario in which our president (a documented jerk his entire adult life, which largely predated The Apprentice, when most of his fanboys discovered him) could possibly be truly guilty of anything worth prosecuting. Witch hunt is just like FAKE NEWS! The big lie, desperately stated over and over.

Gestapo tactics? Seriously? Trump would be turning in Jews left and right to keep the Gestapo off his heels. Trump would be making use of cheap labor from the local camps to clean his various plazas and towers. Trump would shoot a Jewish boy in the back for doing a poor job cleaning his tub. Trump would blame the Jews for every economic ill, through a ridiculously complex international banking cartel conspiracy, the whole thing standing in proxy for blaming every Jew who ever lived for the death of Christ, rather than blaming the Romans (who became the Christians, who are still dodging accountability for their own sins which Jesus died for) who actually had him killed. This all smacks of the Nazi calling the brown shirt black.

And you know what they say: once you invoke the Gestapo, the Nazis, Hitler, et al, you are really starting to make sense.

People who are saying with certainty "no way" at this point are like people who were saying "impeach Trump" on election day, as if there was enough evidence to act at that point. In either case, a position guided more by a desire than a rational examination of available facts. If Trump goes down in flames, those illogical fanboys who do not assume new personae and pretend the past never existed will deny to their deaths that the case was built in much the same way the government builds a RICO case or a spying/espionage case. Or both.

[Pointgod]

Again...why you people continue to engage the Trump University graduate is beyond me.

This is fair criticism. No idea why I engage.

SD20 is so offensively stupid that sometime you just have to flame him because unfortunately he's not going to get banned.

[stilldropin20]

Even soxfan on the Current Affairs board can at least embrace a hypothetical in which Trump is guilty of something. But for some people, there is no scenario in which our president (a documented jerk his entire adult life, which largely predated The Apprentice, when most of his fanboys discovered him) could possibly be truly guilty of anything worth prosecuting. Witch hunt is just like FAKE NEWS! The big lie, desperately stated over and over.

Gestapo tactics? Seriously? Trump would be turning in Jews left and right to keep the Gestapo off his heels. Trump would be making use of cheap labor from the local camps to clean his various plazas and towers. Trump would shoot a Jewish boy in the back for doing a poor job cleaning his tub. Trump would blame the Jews for every economic ill, through a ridiculously complex international banking cartel conspiracy, the whole thing standing in proxy for blaming every Jew who ever lived for the death of Christ, rather than blaming the Romans (who became the Christians, who are still dodging accountability for their own sins which Jesus died for) who actually had him killed. This all smacks of the Nazi calling the brown shirt black.

And you know what they say: once you invoke the Gestapo, the Nazis, Hitler, et al, you are really starting to make sense.

People who are saying with certainty "no way" at this point are like people who were saying "impeach Trump" on election day, as if there was enough evidence to act at that point. In either case, a position guided more by a desire than a rational examination of available facts. If Trump goes down in flames, those illogical fanboys who do not assume new personae and pretend the past never existed will deny to their deaths that the case was built in much the same way the government builds a RICO case or a spying/espionage case. Or both.

wait, are you suggesting in any way shape or form that this case was NOT built exactly like a RICO case?!!

Look. I'll agree with GTN and say that HRC and OBAMA at least know how to navigate/circumvent the law better and negotiate these perilous legal waters much better than Trump. Absolutely. And I dont know why, because a 50-year adult life in business at the highest levels should have taught Trump more about the law. And Politics. Trump is definately guilty of not know how to shut up. I'll grant you guys that....but isnt that suppose to be refreshing???? That a non politician is "running things." Isnt the transparency refreshing? Obama, Bush, Clinton, and even Reagan were too smart to show is how the sausage was made. Are you NOT at least satisfied that the american public is getting a look at the process and results however clumsy??? Trump has done many great things for this country IMO. Perhaps the least appreciated and most understated is the new bar that has been set for leaks to the media...because right or wrong...(and as annoying as i find the leaks) I want to know what is going on behind the scenes as must as possible. I want the american people to know.




But back on topic: This has been WORSE than a RICO case. From Comey's false testimony set the entire thing in motion (IG is about to expose the many conflicting statements Comey has made both to congress, to the IG, to mueller and to the American public.) To Mccabe's conflicting testimony. and I use conflicting generously. They IG will/has use(d) words like "lacking candor." From those 2 going back to the last 2 months of the Obama administration where leaks and unmasking Trump campaign officials began so as to give CNN a full year run of "Russia Russia Russia" collusion gate...All of which made Trump anxious. Here he is...the "common man" ran and won the presidency...and the swamp and the swampy media went after him from day 1. Literally day 1.

And I get it. They all were surprised. No one thought Trump could/would win. SO they were not ready. Clapper, brennen, yates, Lynch...they all thought they had another 8 years. Comey likely thought he would be a top cop and perhaps sec of state. Lynch thought she was the next supreme court justice. So they were shocked. Panicked. They got mad. Then they got even. And sessions snaked him by not staying in charge of the DOJ so as to control the investigation and keep it on russian collusion.

Let's say this. No american citizen deserves to be put through what donald trump has been put through. let alone the duly elected president of the united states.

We live in a really weird time where social media can make anyone a millionaire almost over night. So if anyone working for the president of the united states can make Trump look foolish CNN is willing to put them on TV. Avanatti has been on TV over 100 times in 2 months and the washington beacon just released an article stating that the time Avanatti has been on CNN and MSNBC is worth 175,000,000 dollars(in publicicity). Think about that. It entices people to create narratives or over reach for narratives. and the liberal left doesn't care if the basis of the story is true or not. they just want to politically damage the president so as to win back the office in 2020. and even win back seat in congress in 2018.

Look when Obama won (and I again, voted him! twice!), i wanted Obama to fully implement his vision. whatever it was. I personally liked the "green grid" he promised me for 1 year straight on the campaign trial...and when he bailed out the auto industry...i thought..."YES!!!...this is it!!! They need the money!!! and he has them by the balls!!! Green Grid here we come!!!!" And there was no mention of any green grid in the auto bail out bill. And I still didn't give up on Obama yet. I still thought, okay no green grid but he will still fix chicago!!" Nope!! that POS **** didn't do a damn thing for chicago!!! nothing!! ..............But when he was elected, I still saw it as the will of the people to see his campaign pledges come to fruition. He had the super majority and the will of the people. I thought things would change!!

And it took Donald effing Trump to change things. Donald Effing clumsy ass trump. He is doing it. No one else. And the establishment can NOT stand it. They prefer the gridlock. They prefer that the hundreds of billions still get spent and nothing gets done. So they can keep spending the hundreds of billions the following year. I'm a pragmatic man. I like to identify problems and fix them. And i dont care if the problem gets fixed by my idea or with another's idea. I just want problems identified and fixed. Right now the guy to fix them is Donald Trump. I want congress to stop resisting "his way or ideas" and allow him the opportunity to fully govern. because as it turns out, he is quite good at it. Regardless of how much the media with deep state cronies has most of you convinced otherwise. Yeah, regardless of those lies, things are actually quite good right now on most recordable economic levels besides spending on social security and medicare.

[stilldropin20]

guys, if you witch hunt anyone, you will find criminal behavior.

Ok, I can't resist.

Hillary’s Benghazi Investigation
- 72 months of investigation
- 11 hrs of Hillary’s testimony
- 0 Indictments
- 0 guilty pleas

If your next argument is that it's because she ACID WASHED stuff and DELETED EMAILS, then you would also have to accept that Hillary is far more intelligent than Trump and his gang of muppets based on how much sh*t they've already been caught doing.

bro, HRC's entire team was offered IMMUNITY PRIOR TO QUESTIONING!!!!!!!! Those that deleted the emails, acid washed the drives, and broke their balckberries with hammers all had immunity prior to questioning. and most if not every single one of them was NOT QUESTIONED UNDER OATH.

The email investigation was entirely swept under the rug by and HRC friendly DOJ led by Lynch at first then Comey who had their jobs on the line in an election year. They were certain HRC would win. Comey even said so. His only chance of keeping his job was NOT indicting HRC and he pretty much came right out an said so during his various book publicity engagements.

compare this with trump. starting with flynn. he didn't even know he was being "questioned." They sandbagged him. Just to start this entire russia hoax.

[Zonkerbl]

Again...why you people continue to engage the Trump University graduate is beyond me.

This is fair criticism. No idea why I engage.

SD20 is so offensively stupid that sometime you just have to flame him because unfortunately he's not going to get banned.

You’re just amplifying the insanity. Furthermore by responding you imply legitimacy, thus encouraging more insane spam. Do us all a favor and only respond if he raises a legitimate point.

[JWizmentality]

On point

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[FAH1223]

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[stilldropin20]

i always wondered why we put together such a weak deal with Iran. And why we were so desperate to put it together to begin with. never made any sense. trump knew it too. He want them to release who got paid off. Gee. i wonder who!!??

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[nate33]

guys, if you witch hunt anyone, you will find criminal behavior. YOU GUYS are not posting nor arguing in good faith by not acknowledging that.

If you gave me carte blanche to investigate anyone (AND EVERYONE AROUND THEM INCLUDING THEIR LAWYERS) I would find crimes. FACT. There is no way that minimally technicalities would not be broken. By the people around you let alone you. Or HRC-weiner, Huma, Comey, Lynch, Mccabe, etc etc. We would find crimes. And then if I offered immunity to those around who we found crimes, and they sing (rather compose) a criminal narrative around you. I could do it. And I could do it for every single human being on palnet earth. There is no human being on planet that i could not entrap with carte blanche investigatory power. And clearly that includes trump. And I said that 1 year ago. But this is NOT justice. This is not how our justice system is suppose to work. This is gestapo tactics. "Show me the man and I will show you the crime."

bro, HRC's entire team was offered IMMUNITY PRIOR TO QUESTIONING!!!!!!!! Those that deleted the emails, acid washed the drives, and broke their balckberries with hammers all had immunity prior to questioning. and most if not every single one of them was NOT QUESTIONED UNDER OATH.

The email investigation was entirely swept under the rug by and HRC friendly DOJ led by Lynch at first then Comey who had their jobs on the line in an election year. They were certain HRC would win. Comey even said so. His only chance of keeping his job was NOT indicting HRC and he pretty much came right out an said so during his various book publicity engagements.

compare this with trump. starting with flynn. he didn't even know he was being "questioned." They sandbagged him. Just to start this entire russia hoax.

Guys, these two quotes by SD20 are absolutely on the money. He is right and you guys are completely biased and oblivious if you don't see this. Trump has the entire DC bureaucracy, the media, the Mueller investigation and even a portion of his own party in Congress working to undermine him. Obama and Clinton had them all on their side. Comparing the scrutiny each has had to bear is absurd. It's apples and oranges.

I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning? This doesn't concern you? Meanwhile, you are prepared to impeach Trump because he fired Comey, a man who lied to Trump's face about whether he was under investigation and a man who likely lied under oath when he said he never authorized any leaking.

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