Jusuf Nurkic

[LightTheBeam]

What do you guys think about the Kings going after him?

We know Vlade loves his euro's and oddly enough Nurkic numbers suggest hes a pretty damn good defender.

Portland is going through some serious luxury tax concerns with Collins waiting in the wing.

Heres an article recommending the Kings stay away from Nurkic.. https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/5/11/17345614/nba-free-agency-jusuf-nurkic-portland-trail-blazers-sacramento-kings

Would you guys want to target him assuming we miss out on a big in the draft and don't grab one of Randle/Gordon?

I know I'm higher on WCS than probably 90% of this board, so interested to hear your guys thoughts!

[BoogieTime]

He’s certainly an option. Maybe not the greatest fit, but young quality centers with upside aren’t growing on trees. There are other options, but to me he is one. I’d support going after him over Gordon/Randle so I’m not sure that’s a prerequisite. Problem is Allen’s deep pockets. Blazers seem less inclined to let assets like him slip away

[Jkam31]

No


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[Dzon Dilindzer]

yeah, I dont think Paul Allen let him walk despite luxury tax, he would never let talented and important player leave, at least he didnt do it so far... Nurk wants to stay there, but he also wants to get PAID and apparently Blazers are not willing to offer him big money, so I bet Nurk hopes someone does, so Blazers are forced to match

also, Nurk is not just Euro guy, hes from Bosnia&Herzegovina (was part of former Yugoslavia, just like Serbia)

[BoogieTime]

also, Nurk is not just Euro guy, hes from Bosnia&Herzegovina (was part of former Yugoslavia, just like Serbia)

I’m hoping that doesn’t matter, and that the FO would sign him strictly for basketball reasons (but then Vlade reportedly went after Vucevic..)

[Dzon Dilindzer]

I dont think Divac would bring any ex Yugoslavia player based solely on that, but it certainly can play big part in it

if Sacramento goes after Nurk, what contract would they offer

[City of Trees]

I remember watching Nurkic go up against Cousins for the first time. I was blown away and thought he could be a special player. JN hasnt developed like I initially thought he would. Im kind of surprised.

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[LightTheBeam]

yeah, I dont think Paul Allen let him walk despite luxury tax, he would never let talented and important player leave, at least he didnt do it so far... Nurk wants to stay there, but he also wants to get PAID and apparently Blazers are not willing to offer him big money, so I bet Nurk hopes someone does, so Blazers are forced to match

also, Nurk is not just Euro guy, hes from Bosnia&Herzegovina (was part of former Yugoslavia, just like Serbia)

Interesting. Yea I mean he hasn't let anyone walk but he didn't have a recent top 10 draft pick waiting either. Also that didn't really work out in most cases so I wonder if hes learned from his mistakes, and that sweep probably didn't help.

As for Euro, isn't Bosnia South/east europe? Either way Vlade is from Serbia so I imagine that makes him like him even more.

[KF10]

Nurkic >> Randle

For me.

[blind prophet]

Booo To Randle,

We need to gamble.....

I'm not sure on which gamble, but we have to try something.

[Dzon Dilindzer]

Interesting. Yea I mean he hasn't let anyone walk but he didn't have a recent top 10 draft pick waiting either. Also that didn't really work out in most cases so I wonder if hes learned from his mistakes, and that sweep probably didn't help.

As for Euro, isn't Bosnia South/east europe? Either way Vlade is from Serbia so I imagine that makes him like him even more.

Zach Collins played exclusively as PF this season, so who knows whats the plan for him down the road, I personally would love to see Nurkic & Collins frontcourt, maybe as early as next season by spending some minutes together and in two seasons I would love to see Collins as a starter at PF

Collins did show promise, but I think it would be risky to let Nurk go, theres no guarantee Collins will develop as we hope and Nurk is only 23 yo, so he has a lot of upside (mainly offensively, defensively hes great, will become elite defender)

I could go on and on, bottom line, Terry Stotts doesnt know who to use Nurk, for gods sake, Nurkic v Mirotic mismatch was there all series and he didnt forced it until 4th quarter of the game 4, when Nurk dominated

as far as Bosnia & Herzegovina, yes its in southeastern europe, here you have map of former Yugoslavia, country that fallen apart and then war happened... Bosnia was in the war with Serbia, so today theres hate on both sides, but also theres people who dont look in the past, acting normal etc... when it comes to sports, players from these countries respect each others

[BoogieTime]

Interesting. Yea I mean he hasn't let anyone walk but he didn't have a recent top 10 draft pick waiting either. Also that didn't really work out in most cases so I wonder if hes learned from his mistakes, and that sweep probably didn't help.

As for Euro, isn't Bosnia South/east europe? Either way Vlade is from Serbia so I imagine that makes him like him even more.

Zach Collins played exclusively as PF this season, so who knows whats the plan for him down the road, I personally would love to see Nurkic & Collins frontcourt, maybe as early as next season by spending some minutes together and in two seasons I would love to see Collins as a starter at PF

Collins did show promise, but I think it would be risky to let Nurk go, theres no guarantee Collins will develop as we hope and Nurk is only 23 yo, so he has a lot of upside (mainly offensively, defensively hes great, will become elite defender)

I could go on and on, bottom line, Terry Stotts doesnt know who to use Nurk, for gods sake, Nurkic v Mirotic mismatch was there all series and he didnt forced it until 4th quarter of the game 4, when Nurk dominated

as far as Bosnia & Herzegovina, yes its in southeastern europe, here you have map of former Yugoslavia, country that fallen apart and then war happened... Bosnia was in the war with Serbia, so today theres hate on both sides, but also theres people who dont look in the past, acting normal etc... when it comes to sports, players from these countries respect each others

The problem is Jusuf is a RFA, and if the Kings pursued him and tied their money up with an offer the Blazers would have days to match. Important days where the Kings can be looking at other players. I’m not sure they would do that because this free agency will be a buyers market, with a lot of free agents available.

[Dzon Dilindzer]

well, you guys are writting about Nurkic, Randle, Gordon, so I guess Sacramento will be interested in C or PF, but Randle or Gordon are RFA too, so if youre interested in UFA, theres some players, but Im not sure Sacramento would be willing to bring them

when it comes to C, Brook Lopez, Noel, Alex Len, Monroe, Baynes, Favors, Cousins are all UFA, but some of them are "old", Cousins wouldnt come back I assume, so that leaves some RFA players like Nurkic, Capela

when it comes to PF players, only UFA worth looking at is Favors, some RFA worth looking at are Gordon, Parker and Randle

so the best players are RFA...

[jazanetti]

I don't think Kosta is much worse then Nurkic. And I want to see ZBo coming off the bench playing center. So I'd say NO.

[BoogieTime]

well, you guys are writting about Nurkic, Randle, Gordon, so I guess Sacramento will be interested in C or PF, but Randle or Gordon are RFA too, so if youre interested in UFA, theres some players, but Im not sure Sacramento would be willing to bring them

when it comes to C, Brook Lopez, Noel, Alex Len, Monroe, Baynes, Favors, Cousins are all UFA, but some of them are "old", Cousins wouldnt come back I assume, so that leaves some RFA players like Nurkic, Capela

when it comes to PF players, only UFA worth looking at is Favors, some RFA worth looking at are Gordon, Parker and Randle

so the best players are RFA...

I don’t mind Noel or DeAndre Jordan (who I think will opt out), personally. Noel would cost about half of Nurkic presumably, and might be better suited to play with Fox. But the Kings might also address other positions, or even take on a bad salary like Whiteside for compensation. I could see a Nurkic offer, but it IMO would be toward the end of FA if nothing else came about

[OhioKingsFan]

I'm curious to hear what you like about Nurkic, especially why some feel Nurkic > Randle.

Nurkic seems to be a better defender, and a great P&R finisher. Both Nurkic and Randle are plus rebounders. Randle is a better shot creator IMO. Is it the defense+rebounding combo that you like? What would you be willing to pay for him?

[Jkam31]

I'm curious to hear what you like about Nurkic, especially why some feel Nurkic > Randle.

Nurkic seems to be a better defender, and a great P&R finisher. Both Nurkic and Randle are plus rebounders. Randle is a better shot creator IMO. Is it the defense+rebounding combo that you like? What would you be willing to pay for him?

Booo To Randle,

We need to gamble.....

I'm not sure on which gamble, but we have to try something.

We easily take Randle over Nurkic.

Randle is a better creator and passer while brining versatility. Teams would run Nurkic off the floor


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[BoogieTime]

I'm curious to hear what you like about Nurkic, especially why some feel Nurkic > Randle.

Nurkic seems to be a better defender, and a great P&R finisher. Both Nurkic and Randle are plus rebounders. Randle is a better shot creator IMO. Is it the defense+rebounding combo that you like? What would you be willing to pay for him?

Bigs that don’t rim protect or space the floor at all like Randle just don’t tangibly bring enough to the table.

[LightTheBeam]

I'm curious to hear what you like about Nurkic, especially why some feel Nurkic > Randle.

Nurkic seems to be a better defender, and a great P&R finisher. Both Nurkic and Randle are plus rebounders. Randle is a better shot creator IMO. Is it the defense+rebounding combo that you like? What would you be willing to pay for him?

Bigs that don’t rim protect or space the floor at all like Randle just don’t tangibly bring enough to the table.

Randle has been a plus defender 2 years in a row now. The advanced stats also say he attributed more wins to his team than Nurkic on a significantly worse team. I would expect that number to be even further apart in Randles favor if you switched them teams. He may not be a 3pt shooter or a shot blocker, but he definitely inserted himself last year as a good defender in the paint.

Between his good passing, efficient scoring ability, plus rebounding, and improving defense, I would absolutely love to have him. I also won't be surprised if we see if develop at least some form of an outside shot, I envision him shooting 2 a game next season while averaging 30-32% or so. Not great but he definitely has shown the ability to improve his game in other areas.

He plays bully ball but not to the detriment of the team. Randolph is a black hole, when he touches the ball you know hes going to try to post you up or shoot a mid range. Randle gets inside on you, but hes also a great athlete who you can run the P&R or pass out to an open 3pt shooter.

I'm salivating at the idea of grabbing him and my guess is Mikal Bridges though Id love MPJ because we need the high ceiling.

Bigs - WCS/Skal/Randle/Koufos/Zach/Giles - good mix of vets, rim runners, and "bully basketball". Randolph gone at the end of the season, and make a decision on WCS depending on his and Giles progress.

Wings - Bogdan, Hield, Jackson, Bridges, Temple - Versatile bunch, all good 3pt shooters, Hield/Bridges/Temple plus defenders.

PG - Fox/Mason - Id like a smart vet on a 1 year deal here. Mason/Fox both dealt with injuries and I think could really benefit from having a Jose Calderon type on the team.

[BoogieTime]

I'm curious to hear what you like about Nurkic, especially why some feel Nurkic > Randle.

Nurkic seems to be a better defender, and a great P&R finisher. Both Nurkic and Randle are plus rebounders. Randle is a better shot creator IMO. Is it the defense+rebounding combo that you like? What would you be willing to pay for him?

Bigs that don’t rim protect or space the floor at all like Randle just don’t tangibly bring enough to the table.

Randle has been a plus defender 2 years in a row now. The advanced stats also say he attributed more wins to his team than Nurkic on a significantly worse team. I would expect that number to be even further apart in Randles favor if you switched them teams. He may not be a 3pt shooter or a shot blocker, but he definitely inserted himself last year as a good defender in the paint.

Between his good passing, efficient scoring ability, plus rebounding, and improving defense, I would absolutely love to have him. I also won't be surprised if we see if develop at least some form of an outside shot, I envision him shooting 2 a game next season while averaging 30-32% or so. Not great but he definitely has shown the ability to improve his game in other areas.

He plays bully ball but not to the detriment of the team. Randolph is a black hole, when he touches the ball you know hes going to try to post you up or shoot a mid range. Randle gets inside on you, but hes also a great athlete who you can run the P&R or pass out to an open 3pt shooter.

I'm salivating at the idea of grabbing him and my guess is Mikal Bridges though Id love MPJ because we need the high ceiling.

Bigs - WCS/Skal/Randle/Koufos/Zach/Giles - good mix of vets, rim runners, and "bully basketball". Randolph gone at the end of the season, and make a decision on WCS depending on his and Giles progress.

Wings - Bogdan, Hield, Jackson, Bridges, Temple - Versatile bunch, all good 3pt shooters, Hield/Bridges/Temple plus defenders.

PG - Fox/Mason - Id like a smart vet on a 1 year deal here. Mason/Fox both dealt with injuries and I think could really benefit from having a Jose Calderon type on the team.

I respect your views, I guess we can agree to disagree. His mid range/outside game are substandard and I’m not sure I see it getting to standard, but we’ll see. Not sure about his passing (1/1 assist/turn), but his high usage/ block bully ball style may or may not fit with the rest of our lineup for different reasons. I really don’t see Randle/WCS playing together with no true shot blocking on the court, or IMO true center (WCS is a tweener who might not be here but that’s another issue). But this is all arguable, I suppose.

I’m not saying he’s not a quality young improving player. In the end, given our lack of FA viability, it wouldn’t pain me to add him if we had less other options. Just not my preferred choice and I question his style and fit for a big pay day. I also think it would be hard to land him. I don’t see the Lakers wooing two stars, despite ample space, and I think a few teams will seek his services. May also depend on where you think this team needs to improve, as those who favor Randle might be more apt to see WCS stay