Is jaylen Brown becoming untouchable in the offseason?

[pac213up]

I want no part of the Kawhi drama. That was a clown show in San Antonio. The only potential target is Davis, outside of that Ainge needs to stick with what he has with some minor tweaks.

[Moose23]

I'm with moose.

There's a lot coming out about kawhis camp that I want nothing to do with. Big red flags.

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Exactly,

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The poster wasn't perplexed by your lack of desire to have Leonard on the Celtics. He was perplexed by your approach of trading players multiple times like playing cards.

I would rather not have Kawhi, but if Rozier and picks got him, then I would do that and flip Kawhi for an aset that fits this team better, but obviously wouldn't be tempting to SA (safe to assume if Terry and picks got him)

I do not think this team should move either of Brown or Tatum and if I was looking to add anything it would be a young bigman to eventually replace Al.

[truth18]

Exactly,

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The poster wasn't perplexed by your lack of desire to have Leonard on the Celtics. He was perplexed by your approach of trading players multiple times like playing cards.

I would rather not have Kawhi, but if Rozier and picks got him, then I would do that and flip Kawhi for an aset that fits this team better, but obviously wouldn't be tempting to SA (safe to assume if Terry and picks got him)

I do not think this team should move either of Brown or Tatum and if I was looking to add anything it would be a young bigman to eventually replace Al.

But that doesn't make any sense. Why trade for Kawhi and then flip him immediately, and for who?

Why not try to get the guy you're flipping him for right off the bat?

[Moose23]

The poster wasn't perplexed by your lack of desire to have Leonard on the Celtics. He was perplexed by your approach of trading players multiple times like playing cards.

I would rather not have Kawhi, but if Rozier and picks got him, then I would do that and flip Kawhi for an aset that fits this team better, but obviously wouldn't be tempting to SA (safe to assume if Terry and picks got him)

I do not think this team should move either of Brown or Tatum and if I was looking to add anything it would be a young bigman to eventually replace Al.

But that doesn't make any sense. Why trade for Kawhi and then flip him immediately, and for who?

Why not try to get the guy you're flipping him for right off the bat?

I would assume that the package for Kawhi would not get the bigman needed as well as that bigman not be what gets Kawhi.

Basically, get in on a three team deal netting a bigman without moving Brown or Tatum.

[KGboss]

I missed the flip kawhi part. No I wouldn't do that, that doesn't make sense

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[ddb]

With this Celtics team 3 wins away from a trip to the finals WITHOUT Kyrie & Hayward, as well as Theis, I just don't see why there should be any motive to make significant changes to the roster. Even for Kawhi.

Take a big swing at a high upside prospect at #27, retain Smart, see if Baynes is willing to stay on a team friendly contract, get healthy and run it back.

The ONLY move I would consider is if a team mid to high lottery really wants Rozier. I would be willing to sell high on him if I felt really good about a prospect in the lottery that was available in a Rozier deal.
I love Rozier. I don't want to see him go, but you can't pay everyone. If the Celtics keep him they may not be able to afford him long term anyway...not to mention he may want a chance to go be a FT starter in this league.
With Kyrie and Hayward coming back, trading Rozier doesn't hurt nearly as much.
To get a lottery talent on a rookie scale deal who can either be a foundation piece long term OR a nice trade chip for Anthony Davis trade down the line is appealing.

Jaylen/Tatum stay put. Those guys are the best young wing duo in the league. You don't mess that up. No way. Jaylen & Tatum will extend Kyrie/Hayward and Horfords careers. Believe me.

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[sam_I_am]

With this Celtics team 3 wins away from a trip to the finals WITHOUT Kyrie & Hayward, as well as Theis, I just don't see why there should be any motive to make significant changes to the roster. Even for Kawhi.

Take a big swing at a high upside prospect at #27, retain Smart, see if Baynes is willing to stay on a team friendly contract, get healthy and run it back.

The ONLY move I would consider is if a team mid to high lottery really wants Rozier. I would be willing to sell high on him if I felt really good about a prospect in the lottery that was available in a Rozier deal.
I love Rozier. I don't want to see him go, but you can't pay everyone. If the Celtics keep him they may not be able to afford him long term anyway...not to mention he may want a chance to go be a FT starter in this league.
With Kyrie and Hayward coming back, trading Rozier doesn't hurt nearly as much.
To get a lottery talent on a rookie scale deal who can either be a foundation piece long term OR a nice trade chip for Anthony Davis trade down the line is appealing.

Jaylen/Tatum stay put. Those guys are the best young wing duo in the league. You don't mess that up. No way. Jaylen & Tatum will extend Kyrie/Hayward and Horfords careers. Believe me.

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You have to either trade Rozier or Kyrie this year or risk letting 1 of them walk. It is worth that risk if you want to keep both to win a championship.

[Scoonie]

You have to either trade Rozier or Kyrie this year or risk letting 1 of them walk. It is worth that risk if you want to keep both to win a championship.

No, you don't. Rozier is a restricted free agent after next season and we have the right to match any offer he gets. The power is in the Celtics' hands.

We have Kyrie's Bird rights and can pay him more than any other team as well. Why would he leave?

I know we talked about the Celtics ownership wanting to avoid the luxury tax for one more year, but this team's development is ahead of schedule and they may just let Ainge go into the luxury tax next season if he needs to (in order to retain Marcus Smart and Aron Baynes).

[Scoonie]

With this Celtics team 3 wins away from a trip to the finals WITHOUT Kyrie & Hayward, as well as Theis, I just don't see why there should be any motive to make significant changes to the roster. Even for Kawhi.

Take a big swing at a high upside prospect at #27, retain Smart, see if Baynes is willing to stay on a team friendly contract, get healthy and run it back.
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Agreed 100%. No reason to go after Kawhi this offseason.

[ddb]

You have to either trade Rozier or Kyrie this year or risk letting 1 of them walk. It is worth that risk if you want to keep both to win a championship.

No, you don't. Rozier is a restricted free agent after next season and we have the right to match any offer he gets. The power is in the Celtics' hands.

We have Kyrie's Bird rights and can pay him more than any other team as well. Why would he leave?

I know we talked about the Celtics ownership wanting to avoid the luxury tax for one more year, but this team's development is ahead of schedule and they may just let Ainge go into the luxury tax next season if he needs to.

Right. The Celtics don't HAVE to trade Rozier. They have him under control as a RFA next summer. It's not about that. The team can pay him if they want and go into the Tax. That's up to ownership. But from a personnel standpoint I'd be interested to know how Rozier feels this summer...He is proving to the world that not only can he be a starting guard in this league, but he can be a darn good one. Is Terry cool with being a 6th man next season? He might be. What about as an RFA when teams start throwing a boatload of cash at him....Does Terry's camp start pressuring Danny not to match? Or to work out a S/T?

I think Danny knows that Rozier's stock is as high as it's going to be this summer. Danny hit a home run with that pick #16 in the 2015 draft. He can cash in and likely secure a mid lottery pick for Rozier. If you're Danny you have to be happy with that business exchange....and Terry can't hold it against Ainge. I think Terry would be pretty excited to get a chance to start and potentially be an All-Star caliber guy in this league for a handful of years.

[ddb]

With this Celtics team 3 wins away from a trip to the finals WITHOUT Kyrie & Hayward, as well as Theis, I just don't see why there should be any motive to make significant changes to the roster. Even for Kawhi.

Take a big swing at a high upside prospect at #27, retain Smart, see if Baynes is willing to stay on a team friendly contract, get healthy and run it back.
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Agreed 100%. No reason to go after Kawhi this offseason.

I still think AD is available at some point via trade in the next 12 months or so.

[KGboss]

With this Celtics team 3 wins away from a trip to the finals WITHOUT Kyrie & Hayward, as well as Theis, I just don't see why there should be any motive to make significant changes to the roster. Even for Kawhi.

Take a big swing at a high upside prospect at #27, retain Smart, see if Baynes is willing to stay on a team friendly contract, get healthy and run it back.
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Agreed 100%. No reason to go after Kawhi this offseason.

I still think AD is available at some point via trade in the next 12 months or so.

Why do you think that?

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[ddb]

Agreed 100%. No reason to go after Kawhi this offseason.

I still think AD is available at some point via trade in the next 12 months or so.

Why do you think that?

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they aren't going anywhere. They maxed out this season. They are a 2nd round bump every year. They will probably go backwards next season IMO. At some point, I think within the next 12 months, NOLA is going to make the difficult decision to sell high and take a different approach.
It will be interested to see what happens with Boogie.

[KGboss]

I still think AD is available at some point via trade in the next 12 months or so.

Why do you think that?

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they aren't going anywhere. They maxed out this season. They are a 2nd round bump every year. They will probably go backwards next season IMO. At some point, I think within the next 12 months, NOLA is going to make the difficult decision to sell high and take a different approach.
It will be interested to see what happens with Boogie.

Not sure how you can think they hit their ceiling. Their second best player didn't even play to end the year.

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[GregB]

I don’t think we should trade Jaylen. Last nights game just cemented it more for me.

The play that really did it was actually a bad shot and he missed it. But I loved the thought behind it. Early in the game whenever Lebron switched onto Jaylen. Jaylen would work to get a dribble drive and if Lebron corraled him. He would immediately kick the ball out.

But in the second half Jaylen got the ball and Lebron was guarding Jaylen at the three point line and Jaylen just immediately pulled up and rose very high on a 3pt attempt. Mark Jackson called it a bad shot at the time and it likely was.

But mentally, it showed my Jaylen growing fearlessness. He knew that Lebron couldn’t block his shot and he wanted to bang a 3 right in his face. Similar to tatums two beautiful 3 pointers. It was the kind of play that showed the killer instinct these guys have. I just love this team so much and want to see it build together.

[3D Chess]

OH my god the logic in that GB thread. I broke my own rule about posting on the GB, and I regret it immensely. Hurts my brain.

[ConstableGeneva]

OH my god the logic in that GB thread. I broke my own rule about posting on the GB, and I regret it immensely. Hurts my brain.

Me visiting the GB and checking out their discussion involving Cs every now and then...

[Diamantidis]

Why do you think that?

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they aren't going anywhere. They maxed out this season. They are a 2nd round bump every year. They will probably go backwards next season IMO. At some point, I think within the next 12 months, NOLA is going to make the difficult decision to sell high and take a different approach.
It will be interested to see what happens with Boogie.

Not sure how you can think they hit their ceiling. Their second best player didn't even play to end the year.

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Cousins suffered probably the worst injury a basketball player can suffer. We dont know if he ll ever be the same again (history says he wont). But even if he will, playing with two bigs in today's game is not a good idea. They were 27-21 with Cousins this year and at no point they seemed like a contenter. They played better with Davis at the 5 and a stretch 4 like Mirotic.

The Davis situation is the same as KG in Minnesota. He wont be able to chase a ring while he 's there. The question is when is he is gonna ask for a trade. It probably wont be this summer (he ll convince himself that they have a shot with Cousins). But at some point he will.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jaylen is making major progress offensively, he can react to the defense on his drives now a little more, that’s a big skill.

See what happens in the draft lottery tomorrow night.. I think if Orlando calls after the playoffs offering the 5 for Rozier, you have to do it and take the best big available.

[Shakey Deal]

I absolutely love Jaylen's game and potential, but my main concern with keeping him is the team's rotations next season. With Hayward coming back, him and Brown will eat most of the minutes at the 2 and 3, and push Tatum to play almost exclusively at the 4. Although Stevens likes to play these small lineups to close out games (mainly with Smart at the 2), I'll hate to see JT and his 205 lb fight for position with big guys for 35 minutes a game.

I too am drooling over the potential of an Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford lineup, but it seems to me that playing Tatum out of position for the whole season (and the near future) will hurt both the team short term (rebounding, interior defense) and Tatum's career long term (injury risk, fatigue, developing his postup game etc).