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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#541 » by nate33 » Mon May 14, 2018 5:16 pm

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Guys, these two quotes by SD20 are absolutely on the money. He is right and you guys are completely biased and oblivious if you don't see this. Trump has the entire DC bureaucracy, the media, the Mueller investigation and even a portion of his own party in Congress working to undermine him. Obama and Clinton had them all on their side. Comparing the scrutiny each has had to bear is absurd. It's apples and oranges.

I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning? This doesn't concern you? Meanwhile, you are prepared to impeach Trump because he fired Comey, a man who lied to Trump's face about whether he was under investigation and a man who likely lied under oath when he said he never authorized any leaking.


Well there’s a convincing argument. SD20 says so! It must be true!

Nate, I believe trump must be impeached because a raving homeless guy told me so! What’s your response to that? Huh? HUH?!?



This is pointless. Can't have an honest discussion if the counterpunch is always but Hiliary. It's pathetic. Who wants to go down the list of things to ask nate if he's "troubled by?" I would but my week is booked.

The counterpunch isn't about Hillary. It's about the fact that anybody put under this type of scrutiny with unlimited resources and the ability to extort bit players with imprisonment is likely to found guilty is some way. The fact that no concrete proof of Trump's guilt in any of this should be exonerating. Instead you guys are chasing after every rumor and innuendo as if that's what is going to bring him down.

No President has had to put up with anything close to this. And the underlying "crime" is all of this is ostensibly Russian "intervention", of which nobody thinks it made a material difference in the election, nobody can find a quid pro quo (which would be the only actual crime), and nobody can even prove that Trump knew about it.

Meanwhile, with Hillary, we have concrete evidence that she established a private server for the purposes of evading the freedom of information act, she knowingly and often transmitted classified information on it, and her people destroyed the evidence of it with intent. But we don't even have a real investigation. We give everyone immunity and make up an "intent" standard that doesn't even exist so that the FBI doesn't have to refer it to the DOJ. The contrast is staggering.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#542 » by TGW » Mon May 14, 2018 5:20 pm

maybe one day, all of you partisan hacks will admit that BOTH trump and hillary are crooked. maybe...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#543 » by stilldropin20 » Mon May 14, 2018 5:22 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:1. Fix our nation on the (global manufacturing and trade scale) from a position of strength where "america" gets what it wants and needs first and foremost. which Trump speaks often and clearly.
2. Repair and heal the Nation within by tackling issues like Opiods. Unemployment. low/stagnant wages. Inner city/small town poor and working poor non participation in labor and reliance on entitlements. The Trump platform is attemtping to heal the american individual by getting the individual back on a healthier basic lifestyle of an honest days work for and honest days pay.

1) We want to push for an increasing share of a shrinking pool - might be a good short-term strategy but not a good long-term one.

2a) Opioids - nope - nothing done.
2b) Stagnant wages - nope - nothing done.
2c) Healthier basic lifestyle - you mean like Trump? There has been nothing done on this front either.
2d) Reliance on entitlements and greater labor force participation - 2a wasn't tackled - incarceration rates weren't tackled - I have a very healthy skepticism on this one.

2) Basically, promises, promises with smoke and mirrors. And like previous administrations - kicking the ball down the field.


Come on!!!!! Its only been 1 year and 4 months!!!!!!!!

This is the first president EVER to make such bold statements to get elected and stick to them. Evidence in israel today!!


and its been the most scrutinized first year ever in office for any administration. ever!!!!! he has over 300 unapproved political appointees!!!!!! His USAG recused himself out of the damn job 4 months into it!!! he cant even get the current acting director of CIA approved without a damn circus!!!!!!

I outlined "the plan." Come on!! This stuff doesn't happen over night!!!!



Trump has not had one single day in office yet where he has not been under tremendous scrutiny of russia collusion(which is non-existent), then obstruction (of russia collusion investigation-which again is non existent), and now stotmy gate which they are trying desperately to tie to campaign finance.

Contrast and compare this to the obama administration*that went virtually unscathed by main stream media which afforded him high rating with the public which affored him leeway with his poliitcal capital<--and he barely got a damn thing done!!!, or the even the bill clinton administration that went 6 full years before the independent counselor was assigned. Trump has been under tremendous scrutiny both in multiple house and senate investigations. MORE THAN Half of his own party was against him up until elelction night because he effectively turned the party upside down. and then of course the 91% negative coverage from main stream media.

In spite of all that... all of these policies are "in motion" and gaining more and more momentum.


Wages<--this is all about securing the border and making UE rates miniscule. Once labor gets scarce, corps will have to PAY MORE for the same labor to keep the individual. Closing the border is a huge part of solving this problem!!.

Opiods<--Only TRUMP wasn even talking about this in 2015, and 2016. Now everyone is talking about it. ummm. heloo!! tallking about it is the beginning to fixing it. Now everyone is talking and WORKING to fix it. Thank TRUMP!!!! And Trump has signed legislation and executive orders going after pharmacies, doctors and manufacuters for over supplying and prescribing within the past months. Closing the border and getting rid of illegal opiods is a huge part of getting rid of this problem too!!


I said healthier lifestyle in that "going to work for honest days pay" is healthier than sitting at home watching TV. and playing on the internet. Than sitting at home doing nothing and waiting for a monthly entitlement check. A restless mind and body wanders. and often gets into trouble. Trump is putting the american worker back to work at historic rates. eating greens, nuts and berries is NOT the only healthy choices to make in life.

Entitlements<--Trump is attempting to close our borders to illegals which will effectively affect UE rates and wages in a positive manner. YOu put more people to work and it will keep them off the streets at night and you get them off of entitlements. thats the way it goes. You get them off the streets and back to work and your entitlement costs go down and your healthcare costs go down and your opiod usage goes down. You close off the border to illegals AND "street" opiods and opiod death go down. Likely usage as well due to lack of access. You punish doctors and pharms for supplying and "legal" access also goes down.

Additionally, Trump HAS NOT even taken on entitlement cost drivers YET. He wanted to last year but all the scutiny held him back. They are waiting until after the 2018 mid terms. Then all the free lunch is going to go away for able bodies that can work for their keep. :nod: :nod: A big part of this is another look at retirement age and benefits paid out as well as big pharm cost drivers which are already being addressed with studies and reports.

Trumps trade and tariffs with foreign nations speak for themselves. he is bringing jobs back by good foreign trade negotiations.

Trump is doing all of this. As all of us are aware. Some/most of it is being slow walked due to congress not funding his wall. Democrats do not want this man to succeed. Even if the country suffers, so long as the Trump agenda is not the cause of "american success." Even if we lose jobs oversees. and wages remain stagnant. And kids keep killing each other on the streets of chicago over drug "turf" while selling drugs that enter our country through the porous southern border. and Kids and even middle aged adults keep killing themselves on illicit opiods that enter our country through access through our souther border. Dems dont care. Libs dont care. Bernie Socialists dont care. Because under no circumstances does anyone want to see the American poor and working poor advance via trumps "bootstrap" agenda. they dont want this class of people to advance and FULLY participate in the labor force so as to realize the american dream via jobs and hard work. because they will LOSE VOTERS. The Working class does NOT like to pay excessive taxes. Study after study shows that excessive number to be between 25-30% for the working class making less than $120,000.

So it will take time to see results. And you know it!!

bottom line. NO ONE. not a single soul on the entire planet was even talking about any of this let alone implementing an actual plan to tackle these issue besides trump. NO ONE!!!! It was Trump and Trump alone taking on these issues. Thats because Trump, the builder, employs the working class. Surprisingly, This billionaire understand them better than a guy down the street making $150,000 per year. His instincts are better than yours.

Since Trump took office all of these issues are being addressed by his border, tax, trade and tariff policies. and I say that these are the most important domestic issues of our time. Jobs, Wages, taxes, illegal and legal drug use.

His foreign policy in terms of national security is swinging for the fences in Israel, North Korea, and now Iran. Its late in the 7th inning in israel and north korea and he up 2 runs and about to bring in his ace closer. In Iran his leadoff hitter just drew a walk. We will see how it goes. In terms of ISIS, he swept the series and it wasnt close. It was such a badass and stunning victory that North Korea is scared shxtless and I suspect Iran will follow suit and Israel is going to take care of a lot of that I suspect.

Foreign trade(keeping manufacturing jobs at home) speaks for itself. Again, its only been a little over a year.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#544 » by FAH1223 » Mon May 14, 2018 5:25 pm

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Everything becomes a little too close. Too coordinated, maybe a little scripted - even like a news version of reality TV.
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Post#545 » by stilldropin20 » Mon May 14, 2018 5:30 pm

Here let me sum up the last 2.5 years. Donald phucking Trump has turned american politics and the american media on its head. And is currently spinning both up daily. Not weekly. not monthly. not quarterly. DAILY!!!

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Post#546 » by stilldropin20 » Mon May 14, 2018 5:50 pm

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i still cant believe how much you guys slept on candace owens. She is from philly. You fools that live close could have totally jump on that train a year ago when i kept posting her tweets. now that train got too much steam. that could have been you next to her and charlie kirk, Ivanka and Jerod!! I live in chicago or i would have done it.

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Post#547 » by Kanyewest » Mon May 14, 2018 6:01 pm

TGW wrote:maybe one day, all of you partisan hacks will admit that BOTH trump and hillary are crooked. maybe...


I think that has become the new normal that there are no ideal viable candidates in presidential elections. But there are differences between them.
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Post#549 » by stilldropin20 » Mon May 14, 2018 6:08 pm

a quick flash back for laughs at hillary and trump sticking to his promises to the american people.

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Post#550 » by stilldropin20 » Mon May 14, 2018 6:10 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#551 » by Zonkerbl » Mon May 14, 2018 6:25 pm

TGW wrote:maybe one day, all of you partisan hacks will admit that BOTH trump and hillary are crooked. maybe...


Is shoplifting equivalent to murder?

Trump is complicit in the murder of more than 50 Palestinians today. How many protestor deaths was Hillary responsible for?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#552 » by dckingsfan » Mon May 14, 2018 6:31 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:1. Fix our nation on the (global manufacturing and trade scale) from a position of strength where "america" gets what it wants and needs first and foremost. which Trump speaks often and clearly.
2. Repair and heal the Nation within by tackling issues like Opiods. Unemployment. low/stagnant wages. Inner city/small town poor and working poor non participation in labor and reliance on entitlements. The Trump platform is attemtping to heal the american individual by getting the individual back on a healthier basic lifestyle of an honest days work for and honest days pay.

1) We want to push for an increasing share of a shrinking pool - might be a good short-term strategy but not a good long-term one.

2a) Opioids - nope - nothing done.
2b) Stagnant wages - nope - nothing done.
2c) Healthier basic lifestyle - you mean like Trump? There has been nothing done on this front either.
2d) Reliance on entitlements and greater labor force participation - 2a wasn't tackled - incarceration rates weren't tackled - I have a very healthy skepticism on this one.

2) Basically, promises, promises with smoke and mirrors. And like previous administrations - kicking the ball down the field.


Come on!!!!! Its only been 1 year and 4 months!!!!!!!!

Correct! And he has mostly sucked so far. Sustainable government marks would be a fail. Economic expansion would be a fail. Getting out of the mid-east would be a fail.

His administration has kicked the ball down the field instead of tackling the problems.

Wages - not keeping up with inflation.
Opioids - no meaningful movement - just blathering
Entitlements - no meaningful movement on the cost drivers of healthcare

This is as sucky an administration as the ones before. But I guess you are going to come out and say this administration doesn't need to be good - it just needs to not be a democratic administration.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#553 » by gtn130 » Mon May 14, 2018 6:37 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
TGW wrote:maybe one day, all of you partisan hacks will admit that BOTH trump and hillary are crooked. maybe...


Is shoplifting equivalent to murder?

Trump is complicit in the murder of more than 50 Palestinians today. How many protestor deaths was Hillary responsible for?


Yes, but how many emails did Trump delete? or ACID WASH?

Trump doesn't even use email, folks. He has deleted zero emails in HIS LIFE. Perfect President. Give him the Nobel Prize.
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Post#554 » by doclinkin » Mon May 14, 2018 7:01 pm

nate33 wrote:I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning?


Are we still doing this? These each have been thoroughly debunked.

The 30,000 emails were 15,000. 5,000 of which were duplicates of emails they already had. It is standard procedure for outgoing State Department equipemnt to have data wiped, and of the 10,000 emails (poorly) wiped, the FBI recovered all of them and found nothing worth prosecuting.

That said it is standard procedure to wipe them and destroy devices from outgoing State Department staff.

Even if the Clinton team used State Department servers or mobile devices, their accoutns and eequipment equipment would be wiped of personal data and emails. Using far more thorough methods to be sure. The FBI recovered the emails and found nothing worth prosecuting.

This was the same FBI that a week before the elections, publicly stated they were re-investigating the data they had already cleared. And the same FBI that under a new administration still failed to find anything to prosecute Clinton, despite pressure from the Executive branch to do so.

"Acid washed the hard drives" was your confused grampa Trump misunderstanding computers. Then adding false details and embellishing and doubling down on an incorrect fact the way he does.

Um, no. The computers were data wiped by the program BleachBit, a free software used to clean data. Not even all that good a data wipe either since the FBI was able to recover the data. Still finding nothing.

But Trump hears they were 'Bleached'. And in his mind they were physically dumped in a bath of bleach. Which frankly would not harm them really nor degrade the data. But no matter, he runs with it. Then he changes it to 'acid washed'. Sounds more dramatic. Then he tweets "very expensive by the way". To make it sound more nefarious. All about a free data cleaning program.

And for the 'immunity'. It was granted to the IT professionals who were directed to oversee tech for HRC et al. Standard procedure for procecution to elicit information from lower level functionaries to try to get them to snitch on their superiors, especially if they have nothing particularly strong they can leverage them with. Sounds paradoxical, but if they know they dont have a strong case against someone they can't offer them a reduced sentence etc. so instead prosecuters make a virtue of necessity and offer them immunity to see if they will offer up any tidbits that they have not been able to ferret out themselves. If the IT professionals had anything then they could freely snitch. HRC et al werte not given immunity, just the low-level tech woodchucks.

Am I concerned? Honestly for all the cloak and dagger "deep state" specters and phantoms attributed to HRC et al, the thing that concerned me most about any of this was that security was so mom and pop and nickel and dime.

Seriously. The emails were siphoned by Russian operatives who basically sent an email saying "hey can I haz your passwurd?" and the tech operative in charge of security said: 'um, yeah this looks legit'. And for mop-up work to clean the servers they download a free app someone read a review of.

This is Granma Hillary's team, using tech from 2001, the same way Granpa Trump still uses a personal cell phone that any of us could pick up with I dunno, a van full of equipment mimicking a cell tower signature.

But its also troubling that a smart natural skeptic like nate gets used as a signal repeater for our beloved troll Stilldroopy (ok beloved by me, because every story needs villains) to legitmize these sorts of stories. That's what reallymakes me anxious for our country. Because guys like nate and kev introduced me to concepts of advanced stats in support of Brendan Haywood back in those days, and not taking the eye test as gospel, and really questioning my own prejudices on a basketball level. And every now and again nate will still surprise me with his willingness to cede a point in politics and nod that the data doies tend to point away from his thesis, and change his mind.

But if we are all manuvered into static positions that cannot flex then we are better able to be used as chess pieces to deadlock our country into being inflexible and unable to respond to real crises. And then Russian and Billionaire chessmasters win. It suggests we all really need a cleaner source of information, when things that have been long ago euthanized as infected data are still shambling back as if they were real and new and fresh dogs ready to hunt.

Otherwise our AI overlords will not let us inefficient meatware even have any input when the computers take over.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#555 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 14, 2018 7:40 pm

Glad to see no negative consequences anywhere in the world based on the decisions of the Trump Administration: :banghead:

Israelis kill more than 50 Palestinians in Gaza protests, health officials say

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Israeli soldiers on Monday killed 52 Palestinians demonstrating along the border fence between Israel and the Gaza Strip and wounded more than 2,400 in the bloodiest day in the enclave since the 2014 war with Israel, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

An estimated 35,000 Palestinians gathered on the edges of Gaza as the U.S. Embassy opened in Jerusalem, fanning out along the fence in the largest demonstrations yet.

“We are at a critical point now,” said Ayman al-Sahbani, the head of the emergency department at al-Shifaa hospital in Gaza City. “I don’t know how we will manage this number of people. How long can this go on? How long?”



Demonstrations are planned across the Palestinian territories to protest the U.S. decision to shift its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and recognize the city as Israel’s capital, seen as a major blow to the Palestinian cause.

The opening of the embassy on Monday is followed by Nakba Day on Tuesday — when Palestinians mark the anniversary of mass expulsions and flight that displaced an estimated 700,000 people when Israel was founded 70 years ago.

This year, organizers of demonstrations in Gaza and the West Bank are spreading them over two days to coincide with the embassy opening.
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Post#556 » by nate33 » Mon May 14, 2018 8:02 pm

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nate33 wrote:I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning?


Are we still doing this? These each have been thoroughly debunked.

The 30,000 emails were 15,000. 5,000 of which were duplicates of emails they already had. It is standard procedure for outgoing State Department equipemnt to have data wiped, and of the 10,000 emails (poorly) wiped, the FBI recovered all of them and found nothing worth prosecuting.

That said it is standard procedure to wipe them and destroy devices from outgoing State Department staff.

Even if the Clinton team used State Department servers or mobile devices, their accoutns and eequipment equipment would be wiped of personal data and emails. Using far more thorough methods to be sure. The FBI recovered the emails and found nothing worth prosecuting.

This was the same FBI that a week before the elections, publicly stated they were re-investigating the data they had already cleared. And the same FBI that under a new administration still failed to find anything to prosecute Clinton, despite pressure from the Executive branch to do so.

"Acid washed the hard drives" was your confused grampa Trump misunderstanding computers. Then adding false details and embellishing and doubling down on an incorrect fact the way he does.

Um, no. The computers were data wiped by the program BleachBit, a free software used to clean data. Not even all that good a data wipe either since the FBI was able to recover the data. Still finding nothing.

But Trump hears they were 'Bleached'. And in his mind they were physically dumped in a bath of bleach. Which frankly would not harm them really nor degrade the data. But no matter, he runs with it. Then he changes it to 'acid washed'. Sounds more dramatic. Then he tweets "very expensive by the way". To make it sound more nefarious. All about a free data cleaning program.

And for the 'immunity'. It was granted to the IT professionals who were directed to oversee tech for HRC et al. Standard procedure for procecution to elicit information from lower level functionaries to try to get them to snitch on their superiors, especially if they have nothing particularly strong they can leverage them with. Sounds paradoxical, but if they know they dont have a strong case against someone they can't offer them a reduced sentence etc. so instead prosecuters make a virtue of necessity and offer them immunity to see if they will offer up any tidbits that they have not been able to ferret out themselves. If the IT professionals had anything then they could freely snitch. HRC et al werte not given immunity, just the low-level tech woodchucks.

Am I concerned? Honestly for all the cloak and dagger "deep state" specters and phantoms attributed to HRC et al, the thing that concerned me most about any of this was that security was so mom and pop and nickel and dime.

Seriously. The emails were siphoned by Russian operatives who basically sent an email saying "hey can I haz your passwurd?" and the tech operative in charge of security said: 'um, yeah this looks legit'. And for mop-up work to clean the servers they download a free app someone read a review of.

This is Granma Hillary's team, using tech from 2001, the same way Granpa Trump still uses a personal cell phone that any of us could pick up with I dunno, a van full of equipment mimicking a cell tower signature.

But its also troubling that a smart natural skeptic like nate gets used as a signal repeater for our beloved troll Stilldroopy (ok beloved by me, because every story needs villains) to legitmize these sorts of stories. That's what reallymakes me anxious for our country. Because guys like nate and kev introduced me to concepts of advanced stats in support of Brendan Haywood back in those days, and not taking the eye test as gospel, and really questioning my own prejudices on a basketball level. And every now and again nate will still surprise me with his willingness to cede a point in politics and nod that the data doies tend to point away from his thesis, and change his mind.

But if we are all manuvered into static positions that cannot flex then we are better able to be used as chess pieces to deadlock our country into being inflexible and unable to respond to real crises. And then Russian and Billionaire chessmasters win. It suggests we all really need a cleaner source of information, when things that have been long ago euthanized as infected data are still shambling back as if they were real and new and fresh dogs ready to hunt.

Otherwise our AI overlords will not let us inefficient meatware even have any input when the computers take over.

I'm aware that "acid wash" meant that Bleach Bit was used to wipe the hard drives.

And it may be standard operating procedure to delete emails, but these emails were deleted AFTER they were subpoenaed. That's destruction of evidence.

Your dismissal that "nothing worth prosecuting" was found is B.S. She was found to have stored or transmitted over 100 classified emails. Comey made up, out of thin air, an "intent" standard for prosecution. First of all, there is no intent standard. You are informed about the need for security when you get your TS clearance. Secondly, it's not the FBI's call. It's DOJ's.

The irony of this is that deleting emails after they're subpoenaed is quite clearly obstruction of justice but you hear crickets from the left and the media. But when Trump appropriately fired Comey (who is Trump's underling and a man who lied to Trump's face and committed perjury), the media is quick to label it obstruction of justice and an impeachable offense.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#557 » by TGW » Mon May 14, 2018 8:38 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
TGW wrote:maybe one day, all of you partisan hacks will admit that BOTH trump and hillary are crooked. maybe...


Is shoplifting equivalent to murder?

Trump is complicit in the murder of more than 50 Palestinians today. How many protestor deaths was Hillary responsible for?


Hillary authorized the murder of a sitting leader and authorized illegal drone strikes, that killed THOUSANDS of innocent civilians.

But that's okay, because she's a democrat, right?
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Post#558 » by gtn130 » Mon May 14, 2018 8:48 pm

TGW wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:
TGW wrote:maybe one day, all of you partisan hacks will admit that BOTH trump and hillary are crooked. maybe...


Is shoplifting equivalent to murder?

Trump is complicit in the murder of more than 50 Palestinians today. How many protestor deaths was Hillary responsible for?


Hillary authorized the murder of a sitting leader and authorized illegal drone strikes, that killed THOUSANDS of innocent civilians.

But that's okay, because she's a democrat, right?


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#559 » by stilldropin20 » Mon May 14, 2018 9:23 pm

doclinkin wrote:
nate33 wrote:I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning?


Are we still doing this? These each have been thoroughly debunked.

The 30,000 emails were 15,000. 5,000 of which were duplicates of emails they already had. It is standard procedure for outgoing State Department equipemnt to have data wiped, and of the 10,000 emails (poorly) wiped, the FBI recovered all of them and found nothing worth prosecuting.

That said it is standard procedure to wipe them and destroy devices from outgoing State Department staff.

Even if the Clinton team used State Department servers or mobile devices, their accoutns and eequipment equipment would be wiped of personal data and emails. Using far more thorough methods to be sure. The FBI recovered the emails and found nothing worth prosecuting.

This was the same FBI that a week before the elections, publicly stated they were re-investigating the data they had already cleared. And the same FBI that under a new administration still failed to find anything to prosecute Clinton, despite pressure from the Executive branch to do so.

"Acid washed the hard drives" was your confused grampa Trump misunderstanding computers. Then adding false details and embellishing and doubling down on an incorrect fact the way he does.

Um, no. The computers were data wiped by the program BleachBit, a free software used to clean data. Not even all that good a data wipe either since the FBI was able to recover the data. Still finding nothing.

But Trump hears they were 'Bleached'. And in his mind they were physically dumped in a bath of bleach. Which frankly would not harm them really nor degrade the data. But no matter, he runs with it. Then he changes it to 'acid washed'. Sounds more dramatic. Then he tweets "very expensive by the way". To make it sound more nefarious. All about a free data cleaning program.

And for the 'immunity'. It was granted to the IT professionals who were directed to oversee tech for HRC et al. Standard procedure for procecution to elicit information from lower level functionaries to try to get them to snitch on their superiors, especially if they have nothing particularly strong they can leverage them with. Sounds paradoxical, but if they know they dont have a strong case against someone they can't offer them a reduced sentence etc. so instead prosecuters make a virtue of necessity and offer them immunity to see if they will offer up any tidbits that they have not been able to ferret out themselves. If the IT professionals had anything then they could freely snitch. HRC et al werte not given immunity, just the low-level tech woodchucks.

Am I concerned? Honestly for all the cloak and dagger "deep state" specters and phantoms attributed to HRC et al, the thing that concerned me most about any of this was that security was so mom and pop and nickel and dime.

Seriously. The emails were siphoned by Russian operatives who basically sent an email saying "hey can I haz your passwurd?" and the tech operative in charge of security said: 'um, yeah this looks legit'. And for mop-up work to clean the servers they download a free app someone read a review of.

This is Granma Hillary's team, using tech from 2001, the same way Granpa Trump still uses a personal cell phone that any of us could pick up with I dunno, a van full of equipment mimicking a cell tower signature.

But its also troubling that a smart natural skeptic like nate gets used as a signal repeater for our beloved troll Stilldroopy (ok beloved by me, because every story needs villains) to legitmize these sorts of stories. That's what reallymakes me anxious for our country. Because guys like nate and kev introduced me to concepts of advanced stats in support of Brendan Haywood back in those days, and not taking the eye test as gospel, and really questioning my own prejudices on a basketball level. And every now and again nate will still surprise me with his willingness to cede a point in politics and nod that the data doies tend to point away from his thesis, and change his mind.

But if we are all manuvered into static positions that cannot flex then we are better able to be used as chess pieces to deadlock our country into being inflexible and unable to respond to real crises. And then Russian and Billionaire chessmasters win. It suggests we all really need a cleaner source of information, when things that have been long ago euthanized as infected data are still shambling back as if they were real and new and fresh dogs ready to hunt.

Otherwise our AI overlords will not let us inefficient meatware even have any input when the computers take over.


"villain?" Shirley, you jest? Insert airplane meme.

Cuz I'm sorry. Besides nate, i'm the only guy in here even close to the truth. The liberals are so lost on the CNN Obama clinton cartel narrative that they dont even have the political bearings (YET) to even begin to figure out which direction the truth lies (intended).

They have been lied to for decades on go newhere social programs that clearly have moved no needles.

And grossly misled on the entire political landscape of the last 9 years.

Nobody, not one single "liberal" both in congress, media or on these very pages has been able to reconcile russiagate with the obama/clinton great "russian reset" of just 7 short years ago!! No one has even attempted to make us understand it. One day under obama and clinton, we are selling Russia 20% of our uranium reserves. That was 7 years ago. and the next minute trump is a traitor because some 13 russian trolls propagated discord on social media.

No one has been able to reconcile it. because you cant. Because it doesn't make sense. Because its all based on a web of Obama/clinton lies and deceit.
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#560 » by stilldropin20 » Mon May 14, 2018 11:06 pm

gtn130 wrote:
TGW wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:
Is shoplifting equivalent to murder?

Trump is complicit in the murder of more than 50 Palestinians today. How many protestor deaths was Hillary responsible for?


Hillary authorized the murder of a sitting leader and authorized illegal drone strikes, that killed THOUSANDS of innocent civilians.

But that's okay, because she's a democrat, right?


Imagine a world where two things can be bad with one being worse than the other.


imagine a world where being the leader of a State. Any State. Anywhere. Is. A. Dirty. Phuckin. Job. Choir boys dont exist and need not apply. Get over it.
like i said, its a full rebuild.

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