Is jaylen Brown becoming untouchable in the offseason?

[2Mas]

they aren't going anywhere. They maxed out this season. They are a 2nd round bump every year. They will probably go backwards next season IMO. At some point, I think within the next 12 months, NOLA is going to make the difficult decision to sell high and take a different approach.
It will be interested to see what happens with Boogie.

Not sure how you can think they hit their ceiling. Their second best player didn't even play to end the year.

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Cousins suffered probably the worst injury a basketball player can suffer. We dont know if he ll ever be the same again (history says he wont). But even if he will, playing with two bigs in today's game is not a good idea. They were 27-21 with Cousins this year and at no point they seemed like a contenter. They played better with Davis at the 5 and a stretch 4 like Mirotic.

The Davis situation is the same as KG in Minnesota. He wont be able to chase a ring while he 's there. The question is when is he is gonna ask for a trade. It probably wont be this summer (he ll convince himself that they have a shot with Cousins). But at some point he will.

Yeah but they were 9-3 in the last 12 before he went down & they were just turning the corner when he got hurt. That Houston game was their best game of the season too.

That's why when ppl say NO is better off w/ out Demarcus its just wrong. Yeah they were a fun, cute team that swept an overrated ;shouldn't of been a 3 seed Portland team. But they needed him vs GSW. Get 1 of their studs off the court cause GSW can't guard Boogie for nothing. Let him go to work. Draymond can't touch him. Draymond only struggles w/ Demarcus. Having him out there? Adds a whole nother game plan for GSW.

All about matchups & Boogie is one of the biggest mismatches in basketball. If they bring back Rondo & Boogie, that team is a real contender & will give anyone problems.

[2Mas]

I absolutely love Jaylen's game and potential, but my main concern with keeping him is the team's rotations next season. With Hayward coming back, him and Brown will eat most of the minutes at the 2 and 3, and push Tatum to play almost exclusively at the 4. Although Stevens likes to play these small lineups to close out games (mainly with Smart at the 2), I'll hate to see JT and his 205 lb fight for position with big guys for 35 minutes a game.

I too am drooling over the potential of an Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford lineup, but it seems to me that playing Tatum out of position for the whole season (and the near future) will hurt both the team short term (rebounding, interior defense) and Tatum's career long term (injury risk, fatigue, developing his postup game etc).

I honestly don't think Tatum will start. Let a big start next to Al for a couple spot mins a half.

Irving(32) - Brown(28) - Hayward(32) - Horford(30) - Baynes(15)
w/ Rozier(22) - Smart(24) - Tatum(28) - Morris(16) - Theis (13)

Keep Horfords min around 30. Keep Smarts mins around 24.


But i want no part of Kawhi. Brown is untouchable to anyone not named Anthony Davis. the 2 & 3 are the hardest positions to find & we got 2 future all stars at both spots. Keep them please.

[djFan71]

I absolutely love Jaylen's game and potential, but my main concern with keeping him is the team's rotations next season. With Hayward coming back, him and Brown will eat most of the minutes at the 2 and 3, and push Tatum to play almost exclusively at the 4. Although Stevens likes to play these small lineups to close out games (mainly with Smart at the 2), I'll hate to see JT and his 205 lb fight for position with big guys for 35 minutes a game.

I too am drooling over the potential of an Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford lineup, but it seems to me that playing Tatum out of position for the whole season (and the near future) will hurt both the team short term (rebounding, interior defense) and Tatum's career long term (injury risk, fatigue, developing his postup game etc).

I honestly don't think Tatum will start. Let a big start next to Al for a couple spot mins a half.

Irving(32) - Brown(28) - Hayward(32) - Horford(30) - Baynes(15)
w/ Rozier(22) - Smart(24) - Tatum(28) - Morris(16) - Theis (13)

Keep Horfords min around 30. Keep Smarts mins around 24.


But i want no part of Kawhi. Brown is untouchable to anyone not named Anthony Davis. the 2 & 3 are the hardest positions to find & we got 2 future all stars at both spots. Keep them please.

If this team goes to the finals with Tatum as the leading scorer, the whole Hayward off the bench thing doesn't seem so crazy anymore. Esp with him coming back off injury. He could straight up own 2nd units and still get his minutes. Then Brad goes with the 5 out of the 7 closers who are having the best game to end things.

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With this Celtics team 3 wins away from a trip to the finals WITHOUT Kyrie & Hayward, as well as Theis, I just don't see why there should be any motive to make significant changes to the roster. Even for Kawhi.

Take a big swing at a high upside prospect at #27, retain Smart, see if Baynes is willing to stay on a team friendly contract, get healthy and run it back.
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Agreed 100%. No reason to go after Kawhi this offseason.

I still think AD is available at some point via trade in the next 12 months or so.

What are you assuming about Boogie's health, play quality, and contract?

[ddb]

I absolutely love Jaylen's game and potential, but my main concern with keeping him is the team's rotations next season. With Hayward coming back, him and Brown will eat most of the minutes at the 2 and 3, and push Tatum to play almost exclusively at the 4. Although Stevens likes to play these small lineups to close out games (mainly with Smart at the 2), I'll hate to see JT and his 205 lb fight for position with big guys for 35 minutes a game.

I too am drooling over the potential of an Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford lineup, but it seems to me that playing Tatum out of position for the whole season (and the near future) will hurt both the team short term (rebounding, interior defense) and Tatum's career long term (injury risk, fatigue, developing his postup game etc).

I honestly don't think Tatum will start. Let a big start next to Al for a couple spot mins a half.

Irving(32) - Brown(28) - Hayward(32) - Horford(30) - Baynes(15)
w/ Rozier(22) - Smart(24) - Tatum(28) - Morris(16) - Theis (13)

Keep Horfords min around 30. Keep Smarts mins around 24.


But i want no part of Kawhi. Brown is untouchable to anyone not named Anthony Davis. the 2 & 3 are the hardest positions to find & we got 2 future all stars at both spots. Keep them please.

Tatum is NOT coming off the bench. LOL. You're talking about one of the next Superstars in the league. Not happening. He's too damn good. He's been one of the BEST overall playoff performers right F'in now as a rookie.

I don't think people fully realize how special this kid is.

[keevsnick1]

I absolutely love Jaylen's game and potential, but my main concern with keeping him is the team's rotations next season. With Hayward coming back, him and Brown will eat most of the minutes at the 2 and 3, and push Tatum to play almost exclusively at the 4. Although Stevens likes to play these small lineups to close out games (mainly with Smart at the 2), I'll hate to see JT and his 205 lb fight for position with big guys for 35 minutes a game.

I too am drooling over the potential of an Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford lineup, but it seems to me that playing Tatum out of position for the whole season (and the near future) will hurt both the team short term (rebounding, interior defense) and Tatum's career long term (injury risk, fatigue, developing his postup game etc).

Its a legit concern, buy I think it is mitigated a little by the fact that Tatum and Hayward can split those minutes guarding PF's, which splits the load. Also, the league is so small now anyway. What really good post PF'S are there now. The bigger concern is playing AL at C for large minutes. He has in the past been injury prone, and he will be like 32 next year. Thats why id probably be okay with trading Rozier for a lottery big and shifting everyone down a position more often. But im not trading Brown/Tatum because we have too many SF.

[Scoonie]

I think Hayward will guard 4s on the defensive end, and Tatum will guard 3s. Hayward is stronger than Tatum, and not as quick with his hands/feet, so that's a better matchup for him.

But they will definitely be starting together in the frontcourt.

[2Mas]

I absolutely love Jaylen's game and potential, but my main concern with keeping him is the team's rotations next season. With Hayward coming back, him and Brown will eat most of the minutes at the 2 and 3, and push Tatum to play almost exclusively at the 4. Although Stevens likes to play these small lineups to close out games (mainly with Smart at the 2), I'll hate to see JT and his 205 lb fight for position with big guys for 35 minutes a game.

I too am drooling over the potential of an Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford lineup, but it seems to me that playing Tatum out of position for the whole season (and the near future) will hurt both the team short term (rebounding, interior defense) and Tatum's career long term (injury risk, fatigue, developing his postup game etc).

I honestly don't think Tatum will start. Let a big start next to Al for a couple spot mins a half.

Irving(32) - Brown(28) - Hayward(32) - Horford(30) - Baynes(15)
w/ Rozier(22) - Smart(24) - Tatum(28) - Morris(16) - Theis (13)

Keep Horfords min around 30. Keep Smarts mins around 24.


But i want no part of Kawhi. Brown is untouchable to anyone not named Anthony Davis. the 2 & 3 are the hardest positions to find & we got 2 future all stars at both spots. Keep them please.

Tatum is NOT coming off the bench. LOL. You're talking about one of the next Superstars in the league. Not happening. He's too damn good. He's been one of the BEST overall playoff performers right F'in now as a rookie.

I don't think people fully realize how special this kid is.

He's my favorite. I'm naming my kid after him lol. I know how special he is.

What's your solution to the position crunch?

[Scoonie]

I absolutely love Jaylen's game and potential, but my main concern with keeping him is the team's rotations next season. With Hayward coming back, him and Brown will eat most of the minutes at the 2 and 3, and push Tatum to play almost exclusively at the 4.

Nah, Tatum will play the 3 and guard the 3. Hayward will be the 4 man. Tatum is more mobile and not as strong as Hayward. The positions will be fairly interchangeable on offense, only on the defensive end will it really matter.

[ballup]

Something that ticks me off is how Jaylen‘s perceived ceiling by the general masses is a high end 3 and D player. What does that even mean? He already can attack the basket off the dribble and has some low-high post game.

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[3D Chess]

Something that ticks me off is how Jaylen‘s perceived ceiling by the general masses is a high end 3 and D player. What does that even mean? He already can attack the basket off the dribble and has some low-high post game.

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The general masses have absolutely no idea what Danny, Brad and co. are building here. That's why we've been written off since 5 minutes into game 1. They can only say "superstar!" "star!" "3+D" and "scrub".

[Moose23]

I absolutely love Jaylen's game and potential, but my main concern with keeping him is the team's rotations next season. With Hayward coming back, him and Brown will eat most of the minutes at the 2 and 3, and push Tatum to play almost exclusively at the 4. Although Stevens likes to play these small lineups to close out games (mainly with Smart at the 2), I'll hate to see JT and his 205 lb fight for position with big guys for 35 minutes a game.

I too am drooling over the potential of an Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford lineup, but it seems to me that playing Tatum out of position for the whole season (and the near future) will hurt both the team short term (rebounding, interior defense) and Tatum's career long term (injury risk, fatigue, developing his postup game etc).

I honestly don't think Tatum will start. Let a big start next to Al for a couple spot mins a half.

Irving(32) - Brown(28) - Hayward(32) - Horford(30) - Baynes(15)
w/ Rozier(22) - Smart(24) - Tatum(28) - Morris(16) - Theis (13)

Keep Horfords min around 30. Keep Smarts mins around 24.


But i want no part of Kawhi. Brown is untouchable to anyone not named Anthony Davis. the 2 & 3 are the hardest positions to find & we got 2 future all stars at both spots. Keep them please.

If this team goes to the finals with Tatum as the leading scorer, the whole Hayward off the bench thing doesn't seem so crazy anymore. Esp with him coming back off injury. He could straight up own 2nd units and still get his minutes. Then Brad goes with the 5 out of the 7 closers who are having the best game to end things.

Scoring will be less balanced when irving and hayward return i think.

And the 2 of them are proven 20+ppg scorers.

They will get the bulk. Jaylen and tatum will fall behind them.

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[Moose23]

I absolutely love Jaylen's game and potential, but my main concern with keeping him is the team's rotations next season. With Hayward coming back, him and Brown will eat most of the minutes at the 2 and 3, and push Tatum to play almost exclusively at the 4. Although Stevens likes to play these small lineups to close out games (mainly with Smart at the 2), I'll hate to see JT and his 205 lb fight for position with big guys for 35 minutes a game.

I too am drooling over the potential of an Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford lineup, but it seems to me that playing Tatum out of position for the whole season (and the near future) will hurt both the team short term (rebounding, interior defense) and Tatum's career long term (injury risk, fatigue, developing his postup game etc).

I honestly don't think Tatum will start. Let a big start next to Al for a couple spot mins a half.

Irving(32) - Brown(28) - Hayward(32) - Horford(30) - Baynes(15)
w/ Rozier(22) - Smart(24) - Tatum(28) - Morris(16) - Theis (13)

Keep Horfords min around 30. Keep Smarts mins around 24.


But i want no part of Kawhi. Brown is untouchable to anyone not named Anthony Davis. the 2 & 3 are the hardest positions to find & we got 2 future all stars at both spots. Keep them please.

Tatum is NOT coming off the bench. LOL. You're talking about one of the next Superstars in the league. Not happening. He's too damn good. He's been one of the BEST overall playoff performers right F'in now as a rookie.

I don't think people fully realize how special this kid is.

Tatum will start at pf mext year.

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[ddb]

I honestly don't think Tatum will start. Let a big start next to Al for a couple spot mins a half.

Irving(32) - Brown(28) - Hayward(32) - Horford(30) - Baynes(15)
w/ Rozier(22) - Smart(24) - Tatum(28) - Morris(16) - Theis (13)

Keep Horfords min around 30. Keep Smarts mins around 24.


But i want no part of Kawhi. Brown is untouchable to anyone not named Anthony Davis. the 2 & 3 are the hardest positions to find & we got 2 future all stars at both spots. Keep them please.

Tatum is NOT coming off the bench. LOL. You're talking about one of the next Superstars in the league. Not happening. He's too damn good. He's been one of the BEST overall playoff performers right F'in now as a rookie.

I don't think people fully realize how special this kid is.

He's my favorite. I'm naming my kid after him lol. I know how special he is.

What's your solution to the position crunch?

If the team remains the same then you roll out Kyrie-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford...that lineup is a mismatch nightmare for opposing teams. 5 guys can that beat you in a variety of ways. Bench is Rozier/Smart/Morris/Theis/Baynes. Rozier/Smart have regular minutes in the 25-30 per game range. the remaining minutes divided based on match-ups to Morris/Theis/Baynes. Semi is 11th man. you just roll with it. you can keep the guys fresh. you can give them strategic rest. naturally, injuries/sickness occur. It'll be fine.

[ViperGTS]

Something that ticks me off is how Jaylen‘s perceived ceiling by the general masses is a high end 3 and D player. What does that even mean? He already can attack the basket off the dribble and has some low-high post game.

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He’s an Celtic. If Simmons was a C, he’d be roasted for not being able to shoot and not come close to winning a RoY. Giannis would be looked at as less than he is right now.

Only a handful of players that would be looked at the same here as elsewhere.

[Moose23]

Tatum is NOT coming off the bench. LOL. You're talking about one of the next Superstars in the league. Not happening. He's too damn good. He's been one of the BEST overall playoff performers right F'in now as a rookie.

I don't think people fully realize how special this kid is.

He's my favorite. I'm naming my kid after him lol. I know how special he is.

What's your solution to the position crunch?

If the team remains the same then you roll out Kyrie-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford...that lineup is a mismatch nightmare for opposing teams. 5 guys can that beat you in a variety of ways. Bench is Rozier/Smart/Morris/Theis/Baynes. Rozier/Smart have regular minutes in the 25-30 per game range. the remaining minutes divided based on match-ups to Morris/Theis/Baynes. Semi is 11th man. you just roll with it. you can keep the guys fresh. you can give them strategic rest. naturally, injuries/sickness occur. It'll be fine.

I still think am eventual Horf replacement gets nabbed to learn from Al for a couple of seasons.

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[Higgs Boston]

Something that ticks me off is how Jaylen‘s perceived ceiling by the general masses is a high end 3 and D player. What does that even mean? He already can attack the basket off the dribble and has some low-high post game.

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Some people don't even know what means 3&D, these players called 3&D or even better players like elite role players usually reach that level in their prime, brown is doing things that most of these type of players can't do, not even in their prime, and he is doing it as a 21 years old player.
They never learn, with kawhi was the same thing.

[djFan71]

Tatum is NOT coming off the bench. LOL. You're talking about one of the next Superstars in the league. Not happening. He's too damn good. He's been one of the BEST overall playoff performers right F'in now as a rookie.

I don't think people fully realize how special this kid is.

He's my favorite. I'm naming my kid after him lol. I know how special he is.

What's your solution to the position crunch?

If the team remains the same then you roll out Kyrie-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford...that lineup is a mismatch nightmare for opposing teams. 5 guys can that beat you in a variety of ways. Bench is Rozier/Smart/Morris/Theis/Baynes. Rozier/Smart have regular minutes in the 25-30 per game range. the remaining minutes divided based on match-ups to Morris/Theis/Baynes. Semi is 11th man. you just roll with it. you can keep the guys fresh. you can give them strategic rest. naturally, injuries/sickness occur. It'll be fine.

That's the default starting lineup for sure, but for some matchups you're going to need to token start Baynes. Then one of JB/JT/GH comes off the bench. We know Brad doesn't hesitate to roll guys in and out, so it's gonna happen. Embiid, Cousins, Ayton (if he's not here), etc.

[djFan71]

I honestly don't think Tatum will start. Let a big start next to Al for a couple spot mins a half.

Irving(32) - Brown(28) - Hayward(32) - Horford(30) - Baynes(15)
w/ Rozier(22) - Smart(24) - Tatum(28) - Morris(16) - Theis (13)

Keep Horfords min around 30. Keep Smarts mins around 24.


But i want no part of Kawhi. Brown is untouchable to anyone not named Anthony Davis. the 2 & 3 are the hardest positions to find & we got 2 future all stars at both spots. Keep them please.

If this team goes to the finals with Tatum as the leading scorer, the whole Hayward off the bench thing doesn't seem so crazy anymore. Esp with him coming back off injury. He could straight up own 2nd units and still get his minutes. Then Brad goes with the 5 out of the 7 closers who are having the best game to end things.

Scoring will be less balanced when irving and hayward return i think.

And the 2 of them are proven 20+ppg scorers.

They will get the bulk. Jaylen and tatum will fall behind them.

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Nah, you can't put the Jays & Terry back in the box at this point - they're taking a team to the finals quite possibly. Kyrie & Gordon's scoring numbers are going to take a little hit in the name of equal opportunity offense. If you bring everyone back, you're gonna have 5 guys that can go for 20 on a given night fairly regularly (not AVERAGE 20, but get there regularly): Terry, Kyrie, Jayson, Jaylen, Gordon. Then Al or Morris on random nights. Jugg-er-naut!

[Moose23]

He's my favorite. I'm naming my kid after him lol. I know how special he is.

What's your solution to the position crunch?

If the team remains the same then you roll out Kyrie-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford...that lineup is a mismatch nightmare for opposing teams. 5 guys can that beat you in a variety of ways. Bench is Rozier/Smart/Morris/Theis/Baynes. Rozier/Smart have regular minutes in the 25-30 per game range. the remaining minutes divided based on match-ups to Morris/Theis/Baynes. Semi is 11th man. you just roll with it. you can keep the guys fresh. you can give them strategic rest. naturally, injuries/sickness occur. It'll be fine.

That's the default starting lineup for sure, but for some matchups you're going to need to token start Baynes. Then one of JB/JT/GH comes off the bench. We know Brad doesn't hesitate to roll guys in and out, so it's gonna happen. Embiid, Cousins, Ayton (if he's not here), etc.

I think you sit Horf.

Irving, brown, hayward, tatum, baynes

Horf, smart and terry first off bench.

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