kalenclayton wrote:BoogieTime wrote:RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Absolutely agree. Look at our roster Pre-Vlade
Cousins
Landy/Thompson
Gay/Casspi
Mclemore/Stauskas
Collison/Miller/Mccallum
I remember trying to convince myself that Mclemore, Mccallum could be studs. And that Cousins would take good vets like Gay/Landy/Collison to the next level.
He easily won the Bogdan trade by a large margin, even if we messed up with the Papa pick (though even in hindsight that draft was a crap shoot at that point). He easily won the Belinelli trade to Charlotte again even if the pick turned out to be nothing. He didn't hamstring us to Demarcus on the supermax which would have led to overpaying to keep injured Gay and Rondo.
At least now we have some hope with guys like Fox/Bogdan/Buddy/Jackson/Giles/Skal/WCS/Mason/2018 1st. Shump/Zach suck but at least they are expiring.
He won the Bogdan trade down, I agree with that. Other than that.. WCS hasn’t panned as I would like. The Philly trade. The Philly trade in order to sign an Achilles Matthews. Who he drafted in 2016 Papa/Malachi/Skal haven’t come to fruition, yet. The team was panned for not getting enough for Cousins, and he may have bungled the actual transaction, getting a pick less. Reports has it he tried to trade Cousins for Vucevic and Fournier.. waiving Matt Barnes instead of buying him out. Last years draft, is arguable. I like Fox, but many neutral fans wouldn’t take him 5 as of right now in a redraft. Jackson.. (we’ll see about Giles).. Not really any FA success, bad money last year with Hill/Randolph. Not tanking right so we pick 7
I can give him the Bogdan trade back, though
Why are you always so negative? I feel like you actively try to be negative on this forum.
Your post seems a bit revisionist and a bit misguided. You said Willie hasn’t worked out the way you’d like. I don’t see how that is on Vlade. Willie is a peculiar dude and he’s has different expectations for himself as opposed to the team and general public. He was drafted to be Boogie’s perfect fit. That obviously didn’t work out, but it seemed pretty great at the time. Even national media was good with the pick. The only other linked options were Justice Winslow and Emmanuel Mudiay. I’m glad we got Willie instead.
You mentioned that Vlade won the Bogdan trade but then you say the picks weren’t good. Even the national media liked the Skal and Malachi picks. Papa was puzzling for sure, but the other picks were fine or even good. We can even say that Vlade did a good job during that draft because that draft was terrible. If you say he could’ve drafted Caris Levert, Dejounte Murray, or Malcolm Brogdon, then I will say that hindsight is 20/20. Murray was the only one of that group who was overlooked at the time. Kings fans wanted him, but it didn’t happen.
We’ve already been over the 76ers trade. It was awful both then and now. I’ll give you the Boogie handling. I thought he Kings could’ve gotten more for Boogie, but I also understood that the emotional lesbian was a lot to handle. Who knows how true Vlade’s statement of the “we had a better deal 2 days ago” was. He said that the agent screwed the deal. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn’t. Who knows?
The reports of Boogie for Vuc and Fournier could’ve just been rumors. You can’t hold that against Vlade when it didn’t happen.
The Barnes waiving was relatively bad. I’ll give you that. Barnes probably rejected a buyout (seems very likely) but the Kings could’ve just waived him instead of stretching him.
Your Fox comment is highly revisionist and is unfair. Fox was absolutely the target and even national media applauded the pick. Who cares if you wouldn’t take him at 5 now. It looked great then and the jury is out on how it will turn out. Chill dude.
The Hill signing looked great at the time. Again, us fans and national media liked the signing at the time. It looked smart. Randolph was puzzling so I’ll give you that.
Who knows if the Kings will turn out better from developing instead of tanking near the end of the season. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I wanted to tank as well, but maybe this was beneficial. I don’t know that answer.
I think you should take a step back and look at what happened when it happened. Don’t look back in hindsight. All that does is create false expectations for the past. You can’t change it, so why worry about it? Argue with the facts that happened when they happened.
I don’t try to be negative. Naturally I don’t. I see myself as a mirror, discussing the reality as I see it objectively. If the team was a playoff team with a good GM I wouldn’t be on here finding something to complain about. I’m kicking the authentic reality as I see it. I’m a hardcore fan and I want a better GM for this team at this point.
I’m not blaming him for drafting WCS/Malachi/Skal/Fox/Justin wholly. I agree they all made sense at the time, but he has to be held for how it’s turned out. I didn’t say I wouldn’t take Fox 5, I said a neutral observer doesn’t list him that in the redrafted I see. I wasn’t against the Hill signing when it happened either, but we are assessing how it’s turned out
